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OldFan
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2/22/2011  8:30 AM
I argued against the trade because I thought the trade would leave us short of being a true contender and we would be left with no path to improvement.

But now it's done and on the bright side we picked up an elite talent and have two stars signed up who will be here for years.

I would have been happy to stand pat. But I don't think it's a terrible trade. We have two great players and I'm going to enjoy rooting for them and hope management finds a way build around them.

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2/22/2011  8:44 AM
crzymdups wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:They gave up too much. They had youth on their side and gave it up.

I am on the side if not liking this deal.

What did the Heat give up for Shaq? The Celtics for KG?

BOSTON - The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal.

I'd say we paid a similar price to what Boston did for KG in the Melo deal.

You can act like we could have waited for summer, but it was obvious that Melo wanted the extension. To get him, we had to pay. The fear of a lockout was a big part of this trade.

I have to agree. I hate the trade because I think we could have done it without including Gallo or Timmy M., but this deal makes us better. My main concern is that, if the new CBA incorporates a hard salary cap, how are we going to sign more players.

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2/22/2011  8:47 AM
GustavBahler wrote:I'm trying to forget that Melo was probably going to be available this summer and just judge it on the merits of who went where. Gallo is going to be good but probably not more than a very good role player. Chandler is probably going to frustrate people as long as he plays and his contract is almost up. Felton was playing well for a while but I don't believe we would be seeing much more from him than we did since then and he has a two year deal. Randolph never was going to see the light of day here. We kept a diamond in the rough in Landry Fields and we now have two of the 5 best scorers in his league. Mozgov was the tradeoff for keeping Fields I imagine and worth it. If Walsh stays on I think he is smart enough to surround them with a good mix of vets and youth.

If this is just a prelude to Isiah coming back then it won't matter because I will be done.

That was basically it. It was either keep fields or keep Mozgov, and Mozgov is too unproven to take that risk. Fields is the perfect complimentary guy for Melo and Amare. We have essentially locked up our 2,3, and 4 positions for the next 5-6 years. Now can Walsh and the scouting department find us another Fields and Mosgov to fill in the holes.

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2/22/2011  9:06 AM
I agree that we gave up too much. The Billups/Felton part has me most concerned because of Billups age. I don't get the Minnesota deal at all.
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2/22/2011  9:08 AM
As per Andrew request adding this another thread...

If you play some Poker Knicks just made an all-in move with no value behind it.
We can get lucky and win the pot. But we will lose the torny playing like this and we are proving it for 40 years.
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2/22/2011  10:21 AM
look...

even if one concedes that we can't get a big free agent, you have melo at 26 years old, and amar'e at 28. we have amar'e for 5 years. basically, the knicks can add pieces over the next few seasons via various means.

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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2/22/2011  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  10:43 AM
Knixkik wrote:
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SupremeCommander wrote:Oh BS. We had a .500 team whose two best players were acquired in free agency.

This. we basically gave up Gallo for the best scorer in the league

Gallo is a good player, with potential to be very good, but not great. Everyone else in this deal is a role player at best and can be replaced in free agency and in the draft.

Exactly. Don't understand how some fans are upset over getting rid of our role players for a legitmate star lol.

Aside from Melo, Billups is probably the second best player to be a part of this trade, and he's also a Knick.

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3/16/2011  2:05 AM
I dont know about NBA history but this was one F stupid trade.
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3/16/2011  3:40 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Im calling it now. we had a good team that we couldve built into a champion and just blew it up and gave away every last asset we could while holding deep leverage.

Worst trade in NBA history? A little harsh?

How about:

Parish and McHale: the Celtics traded the first and 13th overall picks in the 1980 draft to the Golden State Warriors in return for center Robert Parish and the third overall pick. The Celtics took Kevin McHale with the third pick.

That might be a little worse.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  7:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I dont know about NBA history but this was one F stupid trade.

the good news is we picked up Jared Jeffries... there's hope yet.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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3/16/2011  8:09 AM
things are back to normal in Knick land... its kind of comforting. It was weird having one of the youngest teams with skill and size on the way to the playoffs... kind of like a dream. Nobody around here knew what to do with themselves. Now we are in free fall and our "stars" are yelling at the less talented players as the losses mount. Yes... back to reality.

Yanks open in 2 weeks!

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3/16/2011  8:10 AM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I dont know about NBA history but this was one F stupid trade.

the good news is we picked up Jared Jeffries... there's hope yet.

I also wanted Melo here. Just not to deplete our resources. Would have been nice to keep one or two of those guys.

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3/16/2011  8:25 AM
its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.
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3/16/2011  8:28 AM
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Not me. I actually feel quite deflated. and quite frankly, my interest level is very slowly starting to decrease.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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3/16/2011  8:30 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Not me. I actually feel quite deflated. and quite frankly, my interest level is very slowly starting to decrease.

You mean the SSOL-ND doesn't get you allllll fired up?!!!?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  8:34 AM
mreinman wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Not me. I actually feel quite deflated. and quite frankly, my interest level is very slowly starting to decrease.

You mean the SSOL-ND doesn't get you allllll fired up?!!!?

It would if we had players commited to playing defense.

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3/16/2011  8:37 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Not me. I actually feel quite deflated. and quite frankly, my interest level is very slowly starting to decrease.

You mean the SSOL-ND doesn't get you allllll fired up?!!!?

It would if we had players commited to playing defense.

I agree. I too am slowly getting disinterested.

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3/16/2011  8:43 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Not me. I actually feel quite deflated. and quite frankly, my interest level is very slowly starting to decrease.

You mean the SSOL-ND doesn't get you allllll fired up?!!!?

It would if we had players commited to playing defense.

it would be nice to have a coach who gave a crap about his players playing defense. that would be a pleasant place to start.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/16/2011  8:54 AM
Its not the worst in history. The Warriors used the Pick to take Joe Barry Carroll as the overall no. 1 pick.

The Division among the fans here is really about some being OK with an uncertain future because we had young players we liked and rooted to succeed with. They played in the coaches system. They were not contenders but a good rising team. The last 10 games Mozgov was giving glimps of a defensive presence and it was freeing Amare up.

We still have an uncertain future and still wanting in some area's.

Sorry to use the "s" word but the trade did bring about a "Starphuch" like buzz about the team. The expectations when you trade half your team of likable players for a "Star" is high. The curious tuned in and I would hope the idiot dolan didn't think it would last based on star viewing along. Things like "winning" is what drives it.

Nalod didn't watch the fist 50 games just to see if they won. I watched to see our guys play. Not all the games were pretty mind you but it was a very young team with 10 new players and the chemistry was building. All the while in the back drop was this "the trade" lurking all season.

So what does Nalod do? I kind of get the trade although its not one I would have made. Don't mean I hated it, just confused like most people over the misinformation over who had leverage and who did not.

My expectations have been pretty low for this season as our roster is more fundamentally flawed than before. Billups is a fine player but maybe beyond his prime. Maybe he was slowing down denver also but it was a tough contract to move and he has ties to the area. He is ours now and perhaps not the best player to run SSOL which is MDA's thing. Felton was great and a proper back up to reduce his minutes was what was needed.

Melo is a great player. No doubt. With "Stars" we have a higher ceiling. I can live with that. I can also live the fact we traded our only real center in MOZ and at best he was emerging, so its not like we "gave up much" but what we gave up we don't have in reserve at the moment so we took a step backwards in this area.

Its my observation the expectations after trade and calling for MDA's head may have some merit. The guy AGAIN has a roster full of players and its not a roster that plays to his strength. We are fundsmentally flawed.

So where do we go? Fire the coach because this is our roster for the next two years and bring in a defensive coach? Then when the offense sputters go back? Finish the roster over time to fulfill the MDA vision of SSOL under a team concept with players suitable to the task?

First things first, if we at best were only going to be a 6-7 seed even with our yoots and get bounced in the first round BUT still think it was a measurable improvement over last year then we are no better off but still have "stars" for the upside. I can live with that.

If we think that by just adding stars we should expect more right away then I find that not as enjoyable. I don't like losing either but the calling for MDA during a time of transition and change makes the whole fan experience not that much fun for me.

As a knick fan I have to live with impatience and the fact you can't rebuild in NY. Sad thing because we have not had enough success to warrant this. We don't tolerate rebuilding but I don't see any great champion teams either.

Most fans react to what they see. I expect UK'ers to anticipate more. I am surprised how high some expectations are for this team post trade.

Its my opinion the trade is still incomplete until the roster is filled out. Either get MDA his type of players or he should leave.

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3/16/2011  8:57 AM
Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Im with Allanfan... totally deflated. I have zero interest in this team last night. I didnt watch the game last night. I had no interest. Instead after I put my kids to bed I played guitar and followed the score. Then I watched the end to see Melo yell at JJ for not throwing him the ball with .3 left on the clock. I turned the TV off and went back to not caring.

I have no connection with any of these players at this point. Amare was great because he was leading OUR YOUNG PLAYERS to the playoffs. Now we have a team of STAT, Diva and a bunch of garbage cast offs that are not interesting to watch.

Silver it was fun argueing how good Chandler, Gallo, etc could be, because there was talent there to argue about.

Its just boring. We are a 100% win now team and we just arent that good. I love the Knicks, but I dont know who these guys are, and they havent done much to inspire me to care.

I told you so? Yes... I didnt like this trade, but who cares? I want to see Walsh make this work. I'm not TMS, there wont be any manning up threads. We all have our opinions but in the end we are all here (except isles) because we are Knick fans and want the team to win. Thats what I still want. I wanted nothing more then to be swept away with Melo's play and forget the truckload of players and picks we gave up to get him. My concern all along was Melo was NOT a top 10 player, he was a great scorer, an ok rebounder for a 3 and a poor defender with zero playmaking.

Silver, I'm desperately holding out hope that I am wrong.

At this point its just kind of wait and see and hope we make the playoffs and hope these guys do something interesting or inspiring. Melo will be the highest paid player (next to Kobe?) in the NBA when his extension kicks in.

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