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2/19/2011  2:03 AM
MattSuspect wrote:One other thing; if we were gonna sell the farm, why the hell didn't we do this in October? I'm super pissed off and just praying this deal doesn't go down. Once again we are going to be a joke when it comes to trades. THIS IS TOO MUCH TO GIVE AWAY TO A TEAM THATS GOING TO LOSE THEIR PLAYER ANYWAY. I'm shocked most of you are ok with this. There is no way he would resign with Denver after everything that has happened. sigh.

Don't be shock there are people who differ in opinion :)

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2/19/2011  2:06 AM
People forget that Melo WANTS HIS MONEY. As do his agents. There's no way they want to wait for the FA market and risk losing money. They want their cake and to eat it too. This is why they've asked the Knicks to give up more than they wanted to and get the deal done this weekend. It's not about the Nuggets. It's about Melo wanting his deal signed now. If we didn't step up, he'd be forced to go with the Nets and that's why Dolan stepped up and gave in to the Nuggets.
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2/19/2011  2:07 AM
If the Knicks land Melo, they won't need a third superstar to compete for a championship. Yeah, they'll need other pieces like a defensive center and a point guard, but "who wants to come win a title with Amar'e and Anthony" is a better pitch than anything that happened last summer.

Frankly, I'd trade everything not named Amar'e to land Melo because the model for team-building in the NBA has changed. It's a lop-sided deal in that case, but I can find players who are just as good as Landry Fields or Gallo or Mosgov or Chandler or Felton. If you compare that to Anthony, the only scorer like him that's come out since he was drafted is Kevin Durant. Add that to the fact that he's only 26, and that opens at least a 4-5 year window for the Knicks to compete in until Amar'e's done. These days, you put the 2 or 3 superstars together and let the role-players follow. The Lakers did this unsuccessfully in 2004 with Kobe and Shaq, but since then, Boston, LA and Miami have used this formula successfully and this is what the NBA is moving towards.

Denver hasn't said yes to this package, but if you have to give up Gallo, Curry, Chandler, Felton, and Anthony Randolph for a first-rounder plus you get Billups in return, you have a starting lineup that looks like this...

Billups
Fields
Anthony
Amar'e
Mozgov

Add that to Williams, Walker, Ronnie Turiaf, Toney Douglas, and then assume the Knicks bring in Earl Barron as reported, and that's a pretty good team without even considering what you get back in filler. Yeah, it could use a backup point guard and it needs help with a defensive center assuming that Mozgov doesn't pan out next year, but those are the same problems we have now anyway and the lineup with Melo is better.

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2/19/2011  2:16 AM
I think some people are really selling Billups short. He's a very good stop gap except that he probably cant play as many minutes as Felton. He can still shoot lights out and is a good decision maker. He's putting up just as many points as Felton right now.
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2/19/2011  2:24 AM
If this doesn't go through is it a huge downer for the team and fanbase?
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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2/19/2011  2:26 AM
93BUICK wrote:If this doesn't go through is it a huge downer for the team and fanbase?

For some fans it is :)

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2/19/2011  2:59 AM
For me it comes down to no Gallo. Keep him and get Melo then I am happy. Otherwise I say no.


Just the way I feel.

I know some of you haters wil not get it but
I truly think Gallo us the 3rd star we talk about.

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2/19/2011  2:59 AM
93BUICK wrote:If this doesn't go through is it a huge downer for the team and fanbase?

Right now I'd say yes. That will change if Walsh doesn't make the move and then develops a bunch of stars or if the team manages to win a playoff series this year and then improves, then maybe not.

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2/19/2011  3:05 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:For me it comes down to no Gallo. Keep him and get Melo then I am happy. Otherwise I say no.


Just the way I feel.

I know some of you haters wil not get it but
I truly think Gallo us the 3rd star we talk about.

I agree 100%

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2/19/2011  3:09 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:For me it comes down to no Gallo. Keep him and get Melo then I am happy. Otherwise I say no.


Just the way I feel.

I know some of you haters wil not get it but
I truly think Gallo us the 3rd star we talk about.

I don't understand the love for Gallo. I mean, I understand it because I like Gallo as much as the next Knicks fan, but to me this wreaks of people believing that David Lee and Amar'e were the same player and we all know that's not true. Gallo's a good player, but if letting him go is the difference between getting Melo and not getting Melo, I let him go.

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2/19/2011  3:20 AM
y2zipper wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:For me it comes down to no Gallo. Keep him and get Melo then I am happy. Otherwise I say no.


Just the way I feel.

I know some of you haters wil not get it but
I truly think Gallo us the 3rd star we talk about.

I don't understand the love for Gallo. I mean, I understand it because I like Gallo as much as the next Knicks fan, but to me this wreaks of people believing that David Lee and Amar'e were the same player and we all know that's not true. Gallo's a good player, but if letting him go is the difference between getting Melo and not getting Melo, I let him go.

Its not the same

Davis Lee was drafted as a rebound specialist who developed a nice offensive game.
Was 30th pick
Amare was top 10 pick straight out of HS with unlimited potential
Which he reached!

Gallo was drafted as a slashing big ban who can shoot it!
Gallo has proven to be a good offensive threat,
A an above average defender.
Clutch
And has a very high BB IQ at 22 mind you.

Lee was drafted at 22

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2/19/2011  3:27 AM
That's the conclusion I finally came to. As much as I like Gallo, you can't let him be what stands between adding an Elite player to pair with Amar'e. Teams will have issues dealing with both Amar'e and Melo on D. We'll always have some kind of mismatch going on. Our role players will be wide open all game. Since this team is predicated on trying to win using a highly efficient offense, you will enhance the teams ability to do that for the full 48 minutes.

The more weapons you put in this offense the tougher it gets to defend. We've been hard to stop with inconsistent guys like Chandler and Gallo and now we'd be relying on guys that get it done every night. That's the big difference between avg. players and stars. Also the fact that stars can raise their game to another level in the big moments. STAT shows up in crunchtime as he leads the league in 4th qtr scoring. Now we'd adding another guy that can give us an edge in games when it counts.

JUST GET IT DONE!!!!

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2/19/2011  3:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2011  3:53 AM
nixluva wrote:That's the conclusion I finally came to. As much as I like Gallo, you can't let him be what stands between adding an Elite player to pair with Amar'e. Teams will have issues dealing with both Amar'e and Melo on D. We'll always have some kind of mismatch going on. Our role players will be wide open all game. Since this team is predicated on trying to win using a highly efficient offense, you will enhance the teams ability to do that for the full 48 minutes.

The more weapons you put in this offense the tougher it gets to defend. We've been hard to stop with inconsistent guys like Chandler and Gallo and now we'd be relying on guys that get it done every night. That's the big difference between avg. players and stars. Also the fact that stars can raise their game to another level in the big moments. STAT shows up in crunchtime as he leads the league in 4th qtr scoring. Now we'd adding another guy that can give us an edge in games when it counts.

JUST GET IT DONE!!!!

You can't finalize your assessment on two years of NBA experience unless you are a Labron coming into NBA and thats an objective answer. To compare it to amare and melo who have ample of experience is just not objective. I am not disagreeing with the skills each side already have and what the current knicks still have to go just giving a objective perspective.

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2/19/2011  3:53 AM
I've enjoyed the Knicks team this year so far... but at this time I'm for the trade framework that's been publicized.
Simply put - Amare's 28. While he's been amazing this year, there's a bit of an age gap to Gallo/Chandler/Fields - and we could be waiting 3-4 years for those guys to really develop (if they indeed truly have star upside). Amare will be 31-32 then. No telling how effective a player that relies so heavily on his athleticism will age. (not even taking into account the history of his knees!)

Best to lock in the 2nd bonafide star NOW. Even if he doesn't work out... I'll still respect the Knicks for trying... (beside, we could always trade him again if it's not working...)

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2/19/2011  3:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2011  3:57 AM
technomaster wrote:I've enjoyed the Knicks team this year so far... but at this time I'm for the trade framework that's been publicized.
Simply put - Amare's 28. While he's been amazing this year, there's a bit of an age gap to Gallo/Chandler/Fields - and we could be waiting 3-4 years for those guys to really develop (if they indeed truly have star upside). Amare will be 31-32 then. No telling how effective a player that relies so heavily on his athleticism will age. (not even taking into account the history of his knees!)

Best to lock in the 2nd bonafide star NOW. Even if he doesn't work out... I'll still respect the Knicks for trying... (beside, we could always trade him again if it's not working...)

If the trade happens it happens. After all this is Jim Dolan's team and I do agree to some extent regarding concerns about the age of the current star player. It concerns me how Dolan is handling the matter but hey it's his team.

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2/19/2011  4:55 AM
ItalianStallion wrote:It's over guys. It's freaking over. If this deal gets done we are dooming ourselves to becoming another version of the Atlanta Hawks. We'll win 50 games and go out in the 1st or 2nd round every year. WE won't have the assets or cap space left to fill glaring holes defensively, rebounding, and ultimately at PG too. In 2-3 years after that becomes obvious to everyone, we'll be having the same conversations about how we can rebuild in 2016.

I'm resigned to losing either Gallo or Fields, the 2 guys I like most on the team, but there is no doubt in my mind that the best course of action for the Knicks in terms of winning in the future, IF Melo really wants to be here more than anything else, is for the Knicks to pick him up as a FA.

If there is a reduction of the cap after the new CBA, or if there are provisions for teams to put a franchise tag on certain players, our flexibility will be damaged even more (certain players we dream of getting in the future may be off the market), and you really will be talking about the scenario you describe above. We will be an interesting to watch 50+ win team that will never get over the hump.

For all the guys who go crazy about the defense and rebounding of our present team, it will be even worse if you have to depend on Amare and Melo for these things.(We would really have to hope that Mosguv develops as some think he will, in this case.)

The 3 guys who signed with Miami gave up money to give that team cap flexibility. It would seem that Melo has no such concerns, or he would sit tight, refuse an extension, and sign with the Knicks as a FA.


A question (something I've read about)- If the cap is cut, will existing salaries have to be adjusted accordingly to fit into the new cap?

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2/19/2011  5:18 AM
The "filler" is balkman and anthony carter.
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2/19/2011  5:45 AM
Dear God,

Please don't let this be true.

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2/19/2011  5:58 AM

This man is coming back soon, if he isn't back already.

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2/19/2011  6:11 AM
If it wasn't because we knew Melo wanted to go to NY, this trade would be magnificent. But the situation isn't like that. If Melo had just plainly said what he should've said, then we'd probably not be having a proposed deal like this. I mean, how hard is it to say: "I will only sign with the Knicks. I will be a Knick in 2011-2012, no matter what. So either trade me now or trade me for lesser value in the summer."

Instead, he went on to "think" about the Nyets, think about staying in Denver. I'm positive that if Melo hadn't given any indications of signing with any other team than the Knicks, then he would've been dealt for a lesser package than this one.

But hey, he's not a rocket scientist.

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