TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:The biggest thing I saw that we could knock MDA on was not playing Moz in the 4th, though it was Foye who flat out killed the Knicks late in game. I thought whomever was guarding him, Fields most of the time, switched off of him too easily, and that left Amare on the perimeter.

For me, I grade rookies on a bit of a sliding scale, and as long as they give tremendous effort, I can look past mistakes. Moz and Fields fit into that category last night, give or take.

However, Gallo and Felton stunk it up. And perhaps Chandler too.

I watched Gallo watch a rebound come off the rim as he stood there and watched LAC go after the ball when he was just as close to anyone to it.

Felton, almost all-star, still thinks it's a good idea to make a 40" pass to Amare on the move? Come on. Take a long distance shot with 20 seconds on the clock without first going to your bread and butter? And how many shaky passes can one guy make as a PG... you learn to not make those during college or your first year in the pros.

Chandler and Gallo settle. They show up for 1 quarter and think it's OK. It's Curry'itis. They think it's OK to be an average team. Not good.

BTW, Amare's comments after the game? IMHO directed at Gallo, Felton, Chandler.

What are you expecting your asking player that are not consistent to be consistent. Gallo is not consistent, Felton is who we thought he was and Chandler is in his own world right now this guy is spaced out. Your asking these guys who are never gonna be stars to be stars. The next coach that comes in here will put Gallo out, this guy is coat tailing MDA the next coach that comes in here will treat him like Kyle Korver. As for Felton somewhere down the line he made himself into the second option. Felton is best when every one else is doing their thing well. When player around you are inconsistent then he tries to take over the game. Get Felton a consistent player and you will see Felon get back to playing the way he did earlier he is not a second option.

well, your disdain for Gallo is obvious; to compare him to Korver shows a true lack of honest observation.

I take the opposite tact with Felton, I think HE should be the rock around inconsistent and young guys like Gallo, Fields, and Chandler. He should be making their life easier. Felton gives the ball up to Amare on the elbow and then goes away from him and watches. He makes bad passes in traffic or feeds the ball to guys at the worst times or when the are not ready. I want him to step up and act like a captain of the team.

He missed Moz at least 5 times WIDE OPEN UNDER BASKET last night

I really want to lay off Felton cause he is exceeding my expectations from him BUT......

In everyone of our losses Felton has had biggest impact in loss.
Both on offense but also on D

Foye killed us last night and guards in general have been schooling us!

In the Clutch he strictly relies on Amare and we have been most predictable team in NBA

He does not even look at anyone else..... Its either Amare or himself!!

Again not hating on Felton but that is what I see ..... Gallo has been getting ball
more in 4th to mix things up so I believe the coach has noticed as well!!

Gallo had plenty of scoring opportunities last night, took 13 shots & went to the line 14 times... 20 attempts in total means he was getting the ball plenty... unfortunately he could only make 3 of those 13 shot attempts & only 1 from beyond 3 pt range out of the 8 he took... his FT shooting has been huge but his shooting in general has been way off the past 4 games... could be 1 of the main reasons why Felton doesn't feel he can rely on anyone else but Amare.

I admit and have said Gallo was off last night and shot looked sluggish and that he has been getting more touches lateley!

But all year long Felton has been predictable and misses slashers all the time!!..... His affair with Amare aint new nor should

Gallo being hot or Cold should have anything to do with anything.

How many ally opps have you seen Felton throw Fields?( Who slashes to hoop every play and has 40 inch vertical)

All our player get ball in bad spots and have to create.

Felton has ball in hands for 70 possessions a game and yet the sweetest passes I seen this year on our team
has come from others!

I dont see our guys getting easy shots and that falls on Felton

Is he worse the DUDU?..... No

Would I prefer Rubio?..... Maybe

CP3 or Williams? ..... Most Def

Never thought Felton was our savior I still personally think Mayo would be a better passing PG for us

terrible...

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:The biggest thing I saw that we could knock MDA on was not playing Moz in the 4th, though it was Foye who flat out killed the Knicks late in game. I thought whomever was guarding him, Fields most of the time, switched off of him too easily, and that left Amare on the perimeter.

For me, I grade rookies on a bit of a sliding scale, and as long as they give tremendous effort, I can look past mistakes. Moz and Fields fit into that category last night, give or take.

However, Gallo and Felton stunk it up. And perhaps Chandler too.

I watched Gallo watch a rebound come off the rim as he stood there and watched LAC go after the ball when he was just as close to anyone to it.

Felton, almost all-star, still thinks it's a good idea to make a 40" pass to Amare on the move? Come on. Take a long distance shot with 20 seconds on the clock without first going to your bread and butter? And how many shaky passes can one guy make as a PG... you learn to not make those during college or your first year in the pros.

Chandler and Gallo settle. They show up for 1 quarter and think it's OK. It's Curry'itis. They think it's OK to be an average team. Not good.

BTW, Amare's comments after the game? IMHO directed at Gallo, Felton, Chandler.

What are you expecting your asking player that are not consistent to be consistent. Gallo is not consistent, Felton is who we thought he was and Chandler is in his own world right now this guy is spaced out. Your asking these guys who are never gonna be stars to be stars. The next coach that comes in here will put Gallo out, this guy is coat tailing MDA the next coach that comes in here will treat him like Kyle Korver. As for Felton somewhere down the line he made himself into the second option. Felton is best when every one else is doing their thing well. When player around you are inconsistent then he tries to take over the game. Get Felton a consistent player and you will see Felon get back to playing the way he did earlier he is not a second option.

well, your disdain for Gallo is obvious; to compare him to Korver shows a true lack of honest observation.

I take the opposite tact with Felton, I think HE should be the rock around inconsistent and young guys like Gallo, Fields, and Chandler. He should be making their life easier. Felton gives the ball up to Amare on the elbow and then goes away from him and watches. He makes bad passes in traffic or feeds the ball to guys at the worst times or when the are not ready. I want him to step up and act like a captain of the team.

He missed Moz at least 5 times WIDE OPEN UNDER BASKET last night

I really want to lay off Felton cause he is exceeding my expectations from him BUT......

In everyone of our losses Felton has had biggest impact in loss.
Both on offense but also on D

Foye killed us last night and guards in general have been schooling us!

In the Clutch he strictly relies on Amare and we have been most predictable team in NBA

He does not even look at anyone else..... Its either Amare or himself!!

Again not hating on Felton but that is what I see ..... Gallo has been getting ball
more in 4th to mix things up so I believe the coach has noticed as well!!

Gallo had plenty of scoring opportunities last night, took 13 shots & went to the line 14 times... 20 attempts in total means he was getting the ball plenty... unfortunately he could only make 3 of those 13 shot attempts & only 1 from beyond 3 pt range out of the 8 he took... his FT shooting has been huge but his shooting in general has been way off the past 4 games... could be 1 of the main reasons why Felton doesn't feel he can rely on anyone else but Amare.

I admit and have said Gallo was off last night and shot looked sluggish and that he has been getting more touches lateley!

But all year long Felton has been predictable and misses slashers all the time!!..... His affair with Amare aint new nor should

Gallo being hot or Cold should have anything to do with anything.

How many ally opps have you seen Felton throw Fields?( Who slashes to hoop every play and has 40 inch vertical)

All our player get ball in bad spots and have to create.

Felton has ball in hands for 70 possessions a game and yet the sweetest passes I seen this year on our team
has come from others!

I dont see our guys getting easy shots and that falls on Felton

Is he worse the DUDU?..... No

Would I prefer Rubio?..... Maybe

CP3 or Williams? ..... Most Def

Never thought Felton was our savior I still personally think Mayo would be a better passing PG for us

i think Felton has been by far our best ball distributor this season & better than any PG we've had since Mark Jackson in terms of orchestrating an offense... i think he's exceeded my expectations when we signed him i never thought he was going to make any significant impact but he's been a leader for the most part & has played solid defense... i think right now he's playing banged up as are a lot of other guys on this team, his minutes load needs to be resolved at the pace we play he can't keep playing 38+ every game, he's gonna break down eventually... is he a star? no definitely not, if we can get a CP3 or Deron to replace him its a no brainer, but right now he's our best option... i have no idea what kind of orchestrating ability Mayo has haven't watched him enough to even comment on it, but if he was so great he'd be their starting PG right now & not a bench player.

Mayo never wanted to be in Memphis

He is odd man out this year.....

I agree that Felton has been our best PG in years

Still cant deny as he goes we do!!

And in losses that is magnified and thats is my point!

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:i think Felton has been by far our best ball distributor this season & better than any PG we've had since Mark Jackson in terms of orchestrating an offense... i think he's exceeded my expectations when we signed him i never thought he was going to make any significant impact but he's been a leader for the most part & has played solid defense... i think right now he's playing banged up as are a lot of other guys on this team, his minutes load needs to be resolved at the pace we play he can't keep playing 38+ every game, he's gonna break down eventually... is he a star? no definitely not, if we can get a CP3 or Deron to replace him its a no brainer, but right now he's our best option... i have no idea what kind of orchestrating ability Mayo has haven't watched him enough to even comment on it, but if he was so great he'd be their starting PG right now & not a bench player.

I think Chris Childs would have something to say about that!

Seriously though the list of Knicks PG A.J. (After Jackson)

Doc Rivers
Greg Anthony
Derek Harper
Charlie Ward
Chris Childs
Howard Eisley
Frank Williams
Marbury
Dudu

I remember liking Derek Harper???

i loved Childs & Ward both of them were bulldogs on the defensive end but orchestrating an offense wasn't either of their strong suits... & the Derek Harper that we had on the Knicks wasn't the same Derek Harper that played on the Mavs, he was a leader no doubt & no one could ever question his defense but as a scoring threat/orchestrator his best days were behind him, i would still take Felton over the version we had on the Knicks in the early 90s... i think Felton could easily have fit in on those teams & been even a bigger threat playing with Ewing in his prime & the rest of that tough Knicks' squad.

BRIGGS wrote:The coach lets too much undisciplined play go on at both ends and relies on that 3 way too much. This team has lost desire and only plays hard in spurts. Fire the coach.

At least he gets angry at them in the locker room and in the papers. Maybe we could keep him on as a shooting and fast break assistant coach.

OldFan wrote:

franco12 wrote:

OldFan wrote:I'm not ready to get rid of the coach.

Before the season I figured it was a 40 win team. So, it's hard for me to blame the coach because they had a good run against weak teams and it raised expectations.

I would like to see the team be more defensive minded but overall the team is at or ahead of where I expected them to be.

But losing to the clippers at home when they are on the 2nd of back to backs, long road trip? That isn't raised expectations. This is a game a 40 win team has to win, unless they want to be a 36 win team.

Every team has disappointing loses. The Knicks are going to win some you don't expect and lose some you expect them to win. It's the nature of a mediocre team.

What does concern me is the effort. Hopefully, the lack of energy isn't a trend.

fishmike wrote:has anyone mentioned that we start 2 rookies and are one of the youngest teams in the league?

Anybody who brings this up in a D'ANtoni discussion is being uninformed at best and dishonsest at worst. Mozgov has not been even playing for most of the season to date.

nykshaknbake wrote:I think it's fair to wait a bit before saying D'ANtoni should be fired. But the results so far are not encouraging. My question is how many games under 0.500 do we have to be with this team before the D'Antoni fans think maybe he isn't doing a fantastic job coaching? Not saying it'll happen but just asking for a number from Nalod, fish, orange and nixluva.

You're assuming that folks think he's doing a fantastic job. To my knowledge no one has said that or even suggested that. He's about right on target so far. A little win streak and we're back on course to win the number of games most expected. They've got 31 games to go and there are a lot of winnable games in there. So we'll see.

nykshaknbake wrote:Ok I'll rephrase it doing a bad job...numbers please

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:I think it's fair to wait a bit before saying D'ANtoni should be fired. But the results so far are not encouraging. My question is how many games under 0.500 do we have to be with this team before the D'Antoni fans think maybe he isn't doing a fantastic job coaching? Not saying it'll happen but just asking for a number from Nalod, fish, orange and nixluva.

You're assuming that folks think he's doing a fantastic job. To my knowledge no one has said that or even suggested that. He's about right on target so far. A little win streak and we're back on course to win the number of games most expected. They've got 31 games to go and there are a lot of winnable games in there. So we'll see.

I've been critical of MDA. Mind you, I like him and thought he was a good choice at the time.

I think you let him finish the season, and make a decision then. If we fail to make the play offs, I think you have to fire him unless there is some extenuating circumstance (Amare injury, etc).

If we finish the season in muddling fashion, I think you'd have to think hard about firing him.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:This team is currently still in the 6th spot and that's ahead of what most thought this team would do.

most expected .500 type record, which is where we're currently at.

Yes but there was mostly talk of this team maybe just getting in as a 7 or 8 and they've been better than that until recently. Things could turn back around just as quickly and they can get back to more than one game above .500. There are a good amount of winnable games left on the schedule. We'll have to wait and see. This team has been very streaky and so it stands to reason that they could go on another mini win streak.