BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure...

The other side of excusing Melo's failures is undue blame.

He's never not made the playoffs, and his career playoff stat line is:

PPG = 24.5
Rebs = 7.1
Assists = 3.0

Three of those years he was age 21 or under. For example last year he was 30.7/8.5/3.2

That's some pretty good failure. What's Gallo's career playoff line look like?

gallo? NEVER lost a first round series.

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

my view on garnett from early on in his career is that he wouldn’t shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. darndest thing. he was the opposite of a put-the-team-on-my-back guy. still played great d, passed, boarded. but would not shoot. like he was afraid of his offense. cost that team a lot. on boston, he's got pierce and allen to take all that pressure off of him.

now melo getting a 17 win team to the playoffs was great and he was feted for that. but he's done nothing in the playoffs the whole time since then save one year. and his 1st round losses include utah, the clippers and minnesota. somewhere that has to get associated with his performance, doesn’t it?

the T'Wolves had KG in his prime, Spree & Sam Cassell all performing at a high level when they knocked Melo's team out of the playoffs, & that was during his rookie season... even the Clippers of 05-06 was no pushover... Elton Brand was beasting that season putting up 24.7 / 10 / 2.5 with Sam Cassell, Corey Maggette, Kris Kaman & Cuttino Mobley all playing at a high level as well... that Clippers squad took MDA's star studded Suns team to 7 games in the Conference Semis... i don't see where u draw any negatives out of any of these losses to be honest.

the best case u might have is for the Jazz last season, but they've traditionally been 1 of the best coached teams in the NBA... upsets will happen sometimes, even to the best teams.

cuz i think there's too much investment in excusing melo. he's being touted as the answer for us. every time someone asks why - the answer is the playoffs. every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure the response ie look at his teammates and look at the teams he lost to. i think a more honest response would be you’re right. but here's how i think things would be different with the knicks. responding by excusing the nuggets' playoff record is weak imo.

don't MDA defenders do the same thing tho? there are always conditions to consider in these types of discussions aren't there dude? i hear ur concerns about investing too much on any single player at this point because u like what ur seeing out of the team right now, i really do get all of that & in some ways i wouldn't mind seeing things play out to see how good this team can be also, but when i take a step back & look at our possible matchups in the playoffs, i just think we're better off with Melo rather than just standing pat... anyway, there's no real right or wrong answer here, it's just a question of preference... i'm gonna trust in whatever DW decides to do

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

my view on garnett from early on in his career is that he wouldn’t shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. darndest thing. he was the opposite of a put-the-team-on-my-back guy. still played great d, passed, boarded. but would not shoot. like he was afraid of his offense. cost that team a lot. on boston, he's got pierce and allen to take all that pressure off of him.

now melo getting a 17 win team to the playoffs was great and he was feted for that. but he's done nothing in the playoffs the whole time since then save one year. and his 1st round losses include utah, the clippers and minnesota. somewhere that has to get associated with his performance, doesn’t it?

the T'Wolves had KG in his prime, Spree & Sam Cassell all performing at a high level when they knocked Melo's team out of the playoffs, & that was during his rookie season... even the Clippers of 05-06 was no pushover... Elton Brand was beasting that season putting up 24.7 / 10 / 2.5 with Sam Cassell, Corey Maggette, Kris Kaman & Cuttino Mobley all playing at a high level as well... that Clippers squad took MDA's star studded Suns team to 7 games in the Conference Semis... i don't see where u draw any negatives out of any of these losses to be honest.

the best case u might have is for the Jazz last season, but they've traditionally been 1 of the best coached teams in the NBA... upsets will happen sometimes, even to the best teams.

cuz i think there's too much investment in excusing melo. he's being touted as the answer for us. every time someone asks why - the answer is the playoffs. every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure the response ie look at his teammates and look at the teams he lost to. i think a more honest response would be you’re right. but here's how i think things would be different with the knicks. responding by excusing the nuggets' playoff record is weak imo.

don't MDA defenders do the same thing tho? there are always conditions to consider in these types of discussions aren't there dude? i hear ur concerns about investing too much on any single player at this point because u like what ur seeing out of the team right now, i really do get all of that & in some ways i wouldn't mind seeing things play out to see how good this team can be also, but when i take a step back & look at our possible matchups in the playoffs, i just think we're better off with Melo rather than just standing pat... anyway, there's no real right or wrong answer here, it's just a question of preference... i'm gonna trust in whatever DW decides to do

hear ya. hopefully we're in a win-win situation. what a joy to be 18-12 and talking about how to sustain and improve it.

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

my view on garnett from early on in his career is that he wouldn’t shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. darndest thing. he was the opposite of a put-the-team-on-my-back guy. still played great d, passed, boarded. but would not shoot. like he was afraid of his offense. cost that team a lot. on boston, he's got pierce and allen to take all that pressure off of him.

now melo getting a 17 win team to the playoffs was great and he was feted for that. but he's done nothing in the playoffs the whole time since then save one year. and his 1st round losses include utah, the clippers and minnesota. somewhere that has to get associated with his performance, doesn’t it?

the T'Wolves had KG in his prime, Spree & Sam Cassell all performing at a high level when they knocked Melo's team out of the playoffs, & that was during his rookie season... even the Clippers of 05-06 was no pushover... Elton Brand was beasting that season putting up 24.7 / 10 / 2.5 with Sam Cassell, Corey Maggette, Kris Kaman & Cuttino Mobley all playing at a high level as well... that Clippers squad took MDA's star studded Suns team to 7 games in the Conference Semis... i don't see where u draw any negatives out of any of these losses to be honest.

the best case u might have is for the Jazz last season, but they've traditionally been 1 of the best coached teams in the NBA... upsets will happen sometimes, even to the best teams.

cuz i think there's too much investment in excusing melo. he's being touted as the answer for us. every time someone asks why - the answer is the playoffs. every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure the response ie look at his teammates and look at the teams he lost to. i think a more honest response would be you’re right. but here's how i think things would be different with the knicks. responding by excusing the nuggets' playoff record is weak imo.

don't MDA defenders do the same thing tho? there are always conditions to consider in these types of discussions aren't there dude? i hear ur concerns about investing too much on any single player at this point because u like what ur seeing out of the team right now, i really do get all of that & in some ways i wouldn't mind seeing things play out to see how good this team can be also, but when i take a step back & look at our possible matchups in the playoffs, i just think we're better off with Melo rather than just standing pat... anyway, there's no real right or wrong answer here, it's just a question of preference... i'm gonna trust in whatever DW decides to do

hear ya. hopefully we're in a win-win situation. what a joy to be 18-12 and talking about how to sustain and improve it.

who the f are you to talk about 18-12?

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure...

The other side of excusing Melo's failures is undue blame.

He's never not made the playoffs, and his career playoff stat line is:

PPG = 24.5
Rebs = 7.1
Assists = 3.0

Three of those years he was age 21 or under. For example last year he was 30.7/8.5/3.2

That's some pretty good failure. What's Gallo's career playoff line look like?

undue blame is a good point. but i'll tell you this - my buddy in denver, a poster on this board from denver and plenty of people on denver boards claim after every year in the playoffs that he's selfifsh but not good enough to have that selfishness carry a team in the playoffs. therefore you get good stats and 1st round exits. they want him gone.

Garnett wasn't selfsh enough, Melo is too selfish...

These are the indictments of players who are asked to hoist an undermanned franchise on their backs.

It's fine and dandy that the Denver fans don't want him, so long as they're prepared to miss the playoffs altogether for the foreseeable future.

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure...

The other side of excusing Melo's failures is undue blame.

He's never not made the playoffs, and his career playoff stat line is:

PPG = 24.5
Rebs = 7.1
Assists = 3.0

Three of those years he was age 21 or under. For example last year he was 30.7/8.5/3.2

That's some pretty good failure. What's Gallo's career playoff line look like?

undue blame is a good point. but i'll tell you this - my buddy in denver, a poster on this board from denver and plenty of people on denver boards claim after every year in the playoffs that he's selfifsh but not good enough to have that selfishness carry a team in the playoffs. therefore you get good stats and 1st round exits. they want him gone.

Garnett wasn't selfsh enough, Melo is too selfish...

These are the indictments of players who are asked to hoist an undermanned franchise on their backs.

It's fine and dandy that the Denver fans don't want him, so long as they're prepared to miss the playoffs altogether for the foreseeable future.

hey sometimes you just gotta move in another direction. people who didn't watch david lee every night and were just bowled over by 20/12/4/55 thought we were nuts for letting him go.

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure...

The other side of excusing Melo's failures is undue blame.

He's never not made the playoffs, and his career playoff stat line is:

PPG = 24.5
Rebs = 7.1
Assists = 3.0

Three of those years he was age 21 or under. For example last year he was 30.7/8.5/3.2

That's some pretty good failure. What's Gallo's career playoff line look like?

undue blame is a good point. but i'll tell you this - my buddy in denver, a poster on this board from denver and plenty of people on denver boards claim after every year in the playoffs that he's selfifsh but not good enough to have that selfishness carry a team in the playoffs. therefore you get good stats and 1st round exits. they want him gone.

Good point. Billups went deeper every year than last year with Melo. He is not rated well defensively considering his athleticism nor noted for his shot selection. Willing to take the big shot? Yes indeed. He wants how much a year?....yikes.

You could add a ton to this team with that money. And wind up with Landry Fields for less than a mill...(who should be signed to an extension at the first possible moment) or ...Mason for 1.4 Seems to me the college scouts are doing a better job than our pro scouts. Or there is Rautins. Now...he did have a knee problem at one point. And he does show a knack at passing, can hit the open shot ...but at present I expect he is not ready to bring the ball up the floor in the NBA and a defensively not in Douglas' zip code. but that 65 million buys a lot of lotto tickets.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Gasol was nobody until he joined Kobe.

You guys claim melo ain't shyt either. So let him join stat.

Duh.

Paladin55 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Gasol was nobody until he joined Kobe.

You guys claim melo ain't shyt either. So let him join stat.

Duh.

I wouldn't call him a "nobody." He also had/has a game that complimented Bryant's, and he can be effective with, and without, the ball, unlike Melo.

Lee, Amare, Felton, Chandler, Gallo, Fields, etc, can lift their game here but Melo can't? BTW, how would you say Melo's playoff line of 24.5, 7.1, 3.0 stacks up against other SFs? Is 7 rebs 3 assists bad off-the-ball #s for a SF?

One of the big reasons I want Melo is because I don't think running our offense through Amare and his 4 TO's/game is a recipe for success in the long-term. But unless we get a clear-cut second alpha dog, who is on the same tier as Amare, Amare will be the de facto #1 option on this team, and will be reluctant to pass the ball in crunch time, believing he has the burden of scoring for his team. A lot of times, the best way to get a superstar player (yes, I called Amare that) to share the ball...is to simply get another superstar player for him to play with.

And as Breen said, the big 3 in Miami likely added 3-4 more years to the careers by playing together and reducing the # of minutes they'd have to play, especially during the regular season. Amare needs help and our problems run deeper than just getting a defensive C.

the mavs have beat the heat twice, so have the celtics.

these are the points in the paint the heat have gotten in those games:

24, 30, 26, 26

against us

56 and 46

lebron, wade and bosh turn into ordinary players when they shoot 20 footers.