TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TMS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Let me ask you a question -- suppose the Celtics never made the deal for Kevin Garnett back in '07..

Are you really trying to compare Garnett to Melo?

Amare is easily comparable to KG & you can easily make a case for Melo over Paul Pierce as well... the way Felton is playing you can put him & Rondo as at least a wash as well (the year they made the trade for KG)... is Kendrick Perkins that much better than Ronny Turiaf for that matter? the only piece you're really missing is the Ray Allen 3rd option scorer, but maybe Landry Fields can become that option? or maybe a combination of Fields & Azabuike can help to fill that role for this season & u can look to fill the role using your MLE next season? the Celtics went completely all in to try & win a championship & they accomplished their goal... why can't the Knicks do the same? because we're too afraid to deal away Gallo, AR &/or Wilson Chandler? Wilson won't be here anyway if we wait to sign Melo as a FA btw... i'm not saying it's a done deal we could get Melo for those 3 guys, but for people to assume we'd have no shot at winning a championship if we made a trade to get Melo to NY i think is off base... i think trading for Melo would make the Knicks instant title contenders in the EC personally.

Absolutely bro. Amar'e, Melo, Felton, hopefully we retain Fields, along with TD, Turiaf, Billy Walker, Andy Rautins & his shooting stroke, maybe Azubuike at a decent price if he regains form, maybe we bring back Shawne Williams on the cheap if he shows something along the way here...I mean that wouldn't be a bad foundation at all...That's a deep playoff foundation right there...We would've accomplished the big goal of bringing two stars together, two of the best players in the league at their positions for that matter, both in their prime..and there will still be some useful leftover pieces after the dust settles (see above)...Then it's a matter of piecing the rest together smartly --- go get me a Dwayne Jones, Josh Boone and/or a Vernon Goodridge for size, rebounding & dirty work; maybe we finally look to make that deal with Portland for Rudy Fernandez & Pat Mills (nice young PG depth with upside that's just buried in Portland right now), then if we're over the cap to start next season, think about using the mid-level like you said to go get a scorer off the bench to replace Chandler's offense or grab some veteran help --- there's some nice UFAs out there this summer that we could easily add to the mix using our MLE if we indeed start next year over the cap--either one big contract for one player or we could divide up the MLE on a couple of useful players (if it's even part of the new CBA--I heard it might not be, we'll have to see ) ---> Jamal Crawford, Kendrick Perkins, Big Baby Davis, Boris Diaw, JJ Barea, Caron Butler, Ty Chandler, Steve Novak, Nene, JR Smith, Shelden Williams, Tayshawn Prince, Lou Amundson, Mike Dunleavey Jr, Josh McRoberts, Rasual Butler, Craig Smith, Matt Barnes, Sasha Vujacic, Acie Law, Zach Randolph, Kris Humphries, Troy Murphy, Nick Collison, Nenad Kristic, Mo Pete, Mickael Pietrus, Grant Hill, J-Rich, Sammy Dalembert, Carl Landry, Antonie Wright, Leandro Barbosa, Reggie Evans, AK-47, CJ Miles, Hilton Armstrong, Mardy Collins, Josh Howard, Adam Morrison. Any one or some of these guys might find NY along with playing with Amar'e/Melo very intriguing...

Or maybe we elect to sign a RFA to an offer sheet and put pressure on his club to match ---> Greg Oden (maybe we take a chance if the reports are good on his health), Aaron Affalo, Jonas Jerebko, DaJuan Summers, Rodney Stuckey, Reggie Williams, Aaron Brooks, Marc Gasol, Sam Young, Mario Chalmers, CDR, Luc Mbah a Moute, Corey Brewer, Marco Belinelli, Marcus Thorton, Daquan Cook, Jeff Green, Spencer Hawes, Thad Young, Goran Dragic, Jared Dudley, Dante Cunningham, Joey Dorsey, Sonny Weems, Al Thorton, Nick Young..

Then there's the draft..We traded away last summer's pick--league rules say we keep ours this summer...We're gonna get another good player in the 1st round somewhere --- I tell ya a guy I like a lot going back to last year that's not being discussed on any mock is Arizona's Derrick Williams. Very nice player that's already off to a fast start his sophmore season - his name will be talked about more & more as the college season moves along---he'll definitely be looking to go pro. Not getting any buzz yet he's playing like a lottery pick so far...I also like Jamelle Horne from the Wildcats as well as a guy that will be available in the 2nd round...Point of all this is there will definitely be guys available to us in a number of different ways to further enhance what will already be here -- it's not like it'll be Amar'e, Melo and 13 scrubs..We'll still have opportunities to re-tool around these guys if we ever got lucky enough to get Anthony..Assets that go in the trade could be replaced--some easily, some not so easily but it can be done..I say go for it..You got a chance to get Carmelo Anthony in his prime to play alongside Amar'e Stoudemire in his prime, you do it and you don't look back..Only forward. Respect to all you guys but I can't for the life of me understand how any of you would be unhappy if Donnie went out and brought Carmelo Anthony here to play with STAT..Mind-boggling..

some of these guys around here just have no sense... once u get Melo in the fold, u can then look to acquiring players with big contracts from other teams that maybe looking to dump salary... a guy like Anderson Varejao suddenly then becomes a viable option for us to fill the C position because we wouldn't be restricted by the cap ramifications any longer... or you can target a Ty Chandler or Sammy Dalembert like you said... to think that all we need to compete in the EC is a guy like Jason Thompson is foolishness... we need to add a MAJOR piece, & then we can focus on building the rest around the 2 main pieces as our foundation... you don't focus on gathering the role players until you get the main guys in place.

I totally agree with you. Get Melo here ASAP. Having him in the fold allows the KNicks to make adjustments to the roster immediately. It sets up the core for the Knicks in Felton, Melo and Amare. The Knicks still would have good role players on the roster. Makes the Knicks legit contenders before the year is out.

How is this working for Miami? They have no room in the cap. After the 3 amigos they have no cap space left to use to get other good players in a trade.

i would trade our entire team to have Miami's problems right now if i could... 2 of the top 5 players in the game? i'll take those kinds of problems all day... their issues are of chemistry only, they're too talented not to get it figured out eventually... our problem is a lack of talent... that kind of problem won't go away until you make moves to address it.

Yeah the problem there right now, in addition to going through the growing pains of being an entire new squad that needs time to jell & blend together--much like in NY, is that they don't seem to be responding well to Spoelstra..He seems to be overdoing it a little bit, jumpin' on guys in practice etc. instead of letting guys be themselves and letting it all play out. A lot's expected from that club now--you can tell Spoelstra's in the hot seat and his days might be numbered..Riley's gonna take that team over eventually, you can just feel it..As soon as he does, I bet they take off and then sky's the limit..Nix said it well the other day somewhere else on the board --- he didn't appreaciate the way those 3 celebrated in South Beach the day after they joined up together (neither did I -- 5, 6, 7 championships huh??? Try winning 1 first you arrogant pricks..) and as a result of that celebration, I want them to fail now in the worst way possible, but I still have to acknowledge what they were able to do and marvel at their rediculous collection of star talent. Damn right I wouldn't mind having their problems...Let's put it this way -- if I were a Miami fan, except for the bravado and stupidity that came with that celebration which I thought was misguided and pretty damn embarrassing, I'd feel great about that team and it's future right now, even though it's not firing on all cylinders yet. Imagine when it does? It might take Riley to make it work...

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

i agree..

I am not saying that the guys on here don't watch a lot of ball, but I get to watch a ton of games. I watch a lot of nuggets games as well, and if you sit back and watch these guys regularly, you will notice the flaws, the impact they have on games.. Highlights can be a dangerous thing.... melo scoring 20ppg in a knick uniform does what? now melo scoring 28 ppg is huge, but guess how many shots he is going to take? how will that work out?

Just because Carmelo is the best free agent currently available doesn't mean he is the right player for us.... .

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

i agree..

I am not saying that the guys on here don't watch a lot of ball, but I get to watch a ton of games. I watch a lot of nuggets games as well, and if you sit back and watch these guys regularly, you will notice the flaws, the impact they have on games.. Highlights can be a dangerous thing.... melo scoring 20ppg in a knick uniform does what? now melo scoring 28 ppg is huge, but guess how many shots he is going to take? how will that work out?

How many shots combined do Gallo & Chandler take a game?? That's where his shot attempts are going to come from, not Amar'e's or Felton's. Those guys will still take plenty of shots at the basket..I have no problem with Carmelo Anthony coming here and inheriting those shot attempts from those two players..I never once heard Chauncey Billups complain about not getting enough shot attempts since becoming a Nugget. Not once..He's actually on the record saying that he hopes Melo returns to Denver...Never remember K-mart saying anything about that either when he was healthy and contributing. In fact I don't every remember any teammate of Carmelo Anthony's ever saying anything about him hogging the ball or shooting too much, even going back to his Syracuse days..Do you?

BUT gallo and chandler each bring a different dynamic to the game than melo does.. I guess I should have been more clear and just not mention shots... It is a bit more than that... but what I can say is this.. gallo can still give you 15-20 points on 7 shots.. chandler can take 10 shots and impact a game on both ends of the floor.. melo will need 18-22 shots just to be a factor.. I don't like that tradeoff...

i am being sold on making a trade even if it includes two good knicks players in gallo/chandler, if it indeed allows the knicks cap room next season to build around the new core.

FistOfOakley wrote:Having Anthony and Amare will make us better but we will have issues in the playoffs. For one we won't be elite-level good and we will primarily be an iso-oriented team with poor floor spacing. Best you could hope for is something what Dallas accomplished pre-Kidd but Dirk and the rest of that lineup was better than what the Knicks would have by a large margin.

We need a lot of things every other NBA team is looking for: a)a guy who can create for himself and draw attention and give others opportunities and b)a defensive presence down low

The true formula for building a championship team:

The Laker way:

Step 1: Find a Kobe Bryant level talent in exchange for a declining Vlade Divac
Step 2: Get the most dominant big man possibly ever. Hello Shaq.
Step 3: Once Shaq is gone somehow get Pau Gasol gifted to you by Chris Wallace.

The Spurs Way:

Step 1: Tank and actually have it work out and get Tim Duncan
Step 2: Somehow get a quality starter and cold blooded killer with the 28th pick (Manu, 1999) and then a finals MVP (Parker) with the 28th pick (2001 draft)
Step 3: Find a coach who holds his entire team accountable and keep his system in place for a decade +

The Celtics Way:

Keep Pierce throughout some horrible seasons.
Get impossibly intense defensive beast who doesn't hurt you on offense
Get one of the best shooters ever who doesn't dominate the ball
Draft elite PG who slips behind Renaldo Balkman

That's pretty easy, eh?

Historically great players/HOFers + ridiculously shrewd/awesome drafting/trades + some measure of dumb luck

None of these teams had:

Step 1: Sign Amare for $100 M
Step 2: Sign Melo for $100 M.
Step 3: Get luck with role players and draft picks (Gallo? Randolph?).Hope idiot owner doesn't shoot himself in foot.

But that certainly doesn't mean it won't work. Mitch Kupchak looked dead in the water before that Gasol trade. The Celtics made some atrocious moves(drafted Joe Johnson 10th, traded him for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers...really) before getting the big 3 in the last legs of all those guys careers. People wanted to fire Doc Rivers. Rondo was a liability.

Trade for Melo. Sign Melo. Don't trade for Melo. It's all moot. We are at the mercy of the Basketball Gods. Everyone contribute $100 this Christmas to NBA Cares and maybe we'll witness a championship in our lifetimes.

Knicks need a quality big off the bench--thats what we need. If you added Paul Millsap to the bench for 28 minutes--wed be 15-3--that is the differential. Carmelo can take his 25m his headband and go to NJ--this is a good team but we need another quality big guy.

knickstorrents wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:Having Anthony and Amare will make us better but we will have issues in the playoffs. For one we won't be elite-level good and we will primarily be an iso-oriented team with poor floor spacing. Best you could hope for is something what Dallas accomplished pre-Kidd but Dirk and the rest of that lineup was better than what the Knicks would have by a large margin.

We need a lot of things every other NBA team is looking for: a)a guy who can create for himself and draw attention and give others opportunities and b)a defensive presence down low

The true formula for building a championship team:

The Laker way:

Step 1: Find a Kobe Bryant level talent in exchange for a declining Vlade Divac
Step 2: Get the most dominant big man possibly ever. Hello Shaq.
Step 3: Once Shaq is gone somehow get Pau Gasol gifted to you by Chris Wallace.

The Spurs Way:

Step 1: Tank and actually have it work out and get Tim Duncan
Step 2: Somehow get a quality starter and cold blooded killer with the 28th pick (Manu, 1999) and then a finals MVP (Parker) with the 28th pick (2001 draft)
Step 3: Find a coach who holds his entire team accountable and keep his system in place for a decade +

The Celtics Way:

Keep Pierce throughout some horrible seasons.
Get impossibly intense defensive beast who doesn't hurt you on offense
Get one of the best shooters ever who doesn't dominate the ball
Draft elite PG who slips behind Renaldo Balkman

That's pretty easy, eh?

Historically great players/HOFers + ridiculously shrewd/awesome drafting/trades + some measure of dumb luck

None of these teams had:

Step 1: Sign Amare for $100 M
Step 2: Sign Melo for $100 M.
Step 3: Get luck with role players and draft picks (Gallo? Randolph?).Hope idiot owner doesn't shoot himself in foot.

But that certainly doesn't mean it won't work. Mitch Kupchak looked dead in the water before that Gasol trade. The Celtics made some atrocious moves(drafted Joe Johnson 10th, traded him for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers...really) before getting the big 3 in the last legs of all those guys careers. People wanted to fire Doc Rivers. Rondo was a liability.

Trade for Melo. Sign Melo. Don't trade for Melo. It's all moot. We are at the mercy of the Basketball Gods. Everyone contribute $100 this Christmas to NBA Cares and maybe we'll witness a championship in our lifetimes.

Great posts from both of you guys!! I also have league pass and I also watch a ton of games. The best teams in the league move the ball and can defend at pretty much all positions and have excellent fundamentals and rebounding.

That Denver team is tailor made to make up for Carmelo's inefficiencies. To me, Chauncey is the best player on that team, he's an assassin and is the reason for so many of their comebacks it's not even funny. You take Chauncey off that team and Denver is a .500 team.

take Chauncey & Nene off that team & replace them with Felton & Amare & do you still think they're a .500 team?

i do like our bench but in this nba to run for a title, ny needs to see felton/stat/melo in knicks uniforms.