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Knicks vs Celtics Preseason Game 3: We will have seen enough to declare a player a bust!
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Travla
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10/13/2010  10:29 PM
It's gonna take about 25 to 30 games before we see what this team will become. Randolph is trying too hard but I like him. Celtics don't wanna lose to the Knicks, even in pre-season. Knicks look like you should expect them to, a bunch of guys who don't know how to play together yet.
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10/13/2010  10:30 PM
I wonder if Rondo will break down this year.. he's been going hard with a deep playoff run, and the Worlds.. interesting to see how his young legs will keep up if the Celts go deep again this year.
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10/13/2010  10:30 PM
Papabear, There is no point in winning a pre-season game and stop with trying to find fault with everything MDA does already. You are becoming a bit of a troll with all this anti-MDA crap.

Randolph has all the skills but he is dumb as bricks, this can be frustrating. They need to tell him to slow everything down and not try to hit a home run every time he touches the ball.

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10/13/2010  10:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  10:47 PM
Things that are really surprising me so far:

(1) How ineffective Felton has been so far.

(2) How ineffective AR has been so far.

(3) How ineffective Turiaf is around the basket -- tonight guys we're hitting him with good passes right under the rim and he just fumbled them outta bounds like hot potatoes it seemed. Gotta catch and convert or at least get fouled...At the very least attempt a shot at the basket for Christ's sake.

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

(5) How ineffective Roger Mason has been so far. Fields has gotta get those backup SG mins. Simple as that. Fields brings much more to the table in almost every facet of the game over Mason.

(6) How little fastbreak opportunities we've had so far in the preseason. Our offense was basically all halfcourt tonight -- where the hell are these easy fastbreak opportunities??

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I'm confident things will improve.

Felton & AR are bound to play better..Must just be adjustment problems that need iron themselves out. Both are way too talented to be playing like this. My bet is they'll both settle down soon. They better..

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10/13/2010  10:31 PM
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Papabear wrote:
NewYorkSoul wrote:I respect D'Antoni for not matching his lineup in frikkin pre-season. Who plays their stars 40 mins each in pre-season!?

Papabear Says

It's a thing called wanting to win by Boston at all costs and D'Antoni is showing the don't care attitude.

This is preseason. If you want to see our starters play 35 minutes in preseason then you don't really understand what preseason is about.

Papabear Says

Wining this game would have been a morale booster for these guys.

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10/13/2010  10:33 PM
See a lot of progress with this team. I think I would swap Fields for Mosgov in the SL and go 9 man rotation. That was the line up we started off the 2nd half with.


C Amare
F Gallinari
F Fields
G Chandler
G Felton
C Mosgov
F Randolph
G Walker
G Douglas

I think Gallo needs more space and incentive to play closer to the basket. Mosgov and randolph can play more efficiently at 5-4 coming off the bench with Walker as the 3 pt shooter and Douglas the PG

Many good things came out of the game--we need to hone in the mistakes and continue to focus on securing the basketball on rebounds passes and ball-handling.

what the hll were those last 2 plays mda called?????

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10/13/2010  10:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  10:44 PM
loweyecue wrote:Papabear, There is no point in winning a pre-season game and stop with trying to find fault with everything MDA does already. You are becoming a bit of a troll with all this anti-MDA crap.

Randolph has all the skills but he is dumb as bricks, this can be frustrating. They need to tell him to slow everything down and not try to hit a home run every time he touches the ball.

Papabear Says

Listen you call me a troll because I don't like D'Antoni's run and gun style of playing? Well I don't. Im not bashing all the Knicks and I wan't them to win. Every season you say oh oh just wait it will get better it's pre-season. Well I feel they should have went for the win in pre-season. We should not allow Boston to win a game like this on our court. If we lost this game in Boston I would have no complaints. Half of you guys are now ready to throw AR under the bus after 3 games. I say give the guy a chance.

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10/13/2010  10:42 PM
this guy is fast...

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Recap: Celtics 104 Knicks 101
BY TOMMY DEE ON OCT 13, 2010, 10:20 PM

BOX SCORE

We’ve talked a ton about Amar’e's talent and how that’s an exciting thing and if he can ever learn to drill jumpers consistently like KG then…wow.

Speaking of KG, you can thank your local NBA officials for allowing one of the game’s best to get ejected because of rabbit ears and a new rule enforcement. If you’re an NHL fan then you know what that all means.

But give the Knicks credit. They adhered to the keys and Amar’e carried them in a ton of ways. To me, Gallinari isn’t nearly firing on all cylinders, neither is Felton. It didn’t matter, but it will.

Speaking of Will, Chandler was fantastic I thought. Just played a really strong first half. But like against the Wolves, he disappeared in the 2nd. Have to like how the 2nd unit battled Rondo and Pierce on the floor for most of the 4th.

As far as the key stats:

Who on the team is going to get to the rim offensively and defensively? Who is going to box out then go get the ball at the rim defensively. Getting to the rim and boxing out takes little skill. Zero talent. Those are effort plays that go unnoticed.- Knicks won that battle…
Will Gallo shoot more three’s or FTs? What will the team FT #s be? 6 3s/ 7 FTAs
If they are out-rebounded on the offensive end and lose the FT battle, they will force themselves to have 4-5 players shoot over 50% for the game and they’ll have to make at least 8 or 9 threes.-4 players over .500 from the field
Boston’s Stephane Lasme is a player I’ve always appreciated. He’s fighting for the 15 spot, and is a shot-blocker.- didn’t overly impress…
Do you have to force the ball out of Pierce’s hands on that last possession? For me not even close. I want to see Randolph get a stop after how he failed to finish off the game. As far as the last second calls offensively, if you sit your starters then you can’t put them in at the last second. Doc wanted to win more than D’Antoni did, why else is Pierce and Rondo on the floor in a preseason game?

The only question would be why is Turiaf catching the ball when they should know he’ll be fouled down 3…

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10/13/2010  10:45 PM
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NYK 101 BOS 104
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10/13/2010  10:48 PM
bos played tues, and looking at the box score, most of tonights starters for them didnt play at all (allen, pierce, garnett, rondo). maybe they were savin up for this game, or didnt feel like playing them back to back at this point...
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10/13/2010  10:57 PM
sidsanders wrote:bos played tues, and looking at the box score, most of tonights starters for them didnt play at all (allen, pierce, garnett, rondo). maybe they were savin up for this game, or didnt feel like playing them back to back at this point...

Luke Harongody put up 16 pts and 12 reb on us. I mean really. The guy was grabbing boards in traffic on pure effort. When I see things like that I dont get a good feeling about the season.

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10/13/2010  11:17 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
NewYorkSoul wrote:I respect D'Antoni for not matching his lineup in frikkin pre-season. Who plays their stars 40 mins each in pre-season!?

Boston is trying to set the tone for the season starting in the pre-season. Fact remains the lead was dwindling with our starters on.

Boston was trying to win because it is Doc Rivers', Paul Pierce's and Jermaine O'Neal's birthday.

They played Rondo, Allen and Pierce 40 minutes a piece.

"Set the tone for the pre-season" indeed.

Would you rather a repeat of the Antonio McDyess injury? Oh wait, of course you would - more trolling material.

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10/13/2010  11:26 PM
This knicks team is still getting it's bearings, but one thing you know for sure is that Amar'e being a superstar makes a difference. The guy that carried the Suns for a time last year is on display here. He's actually stepped up another level and I think he's gonna be the thing that holds this together in the beginning until the rest of the team get's in synch.

LOVE fields. His aggressiveness and overall play are very impressive. Love Timo too. Give him more starts cuz once this kid gets it, he's clearly superior to Turiaf. Timo actually has talent, he just needs experience and more NBA training.

Felton it seems to me did a Stephon Marbury and came in out of shape. I think he looks soft and has no explosion. Worse than that, he hasn't figured out this offense yet. He is giving up the ball too early and the passes don't lead to anything. He just gives the ball to whoever is close to him. He also is passing to bigs at a distance and on the perimeter where they can't do anything with it. I remember Duhon doing the same things when he 1st got here. I hope he gets it soon. I want to start of the year as strong as possible.

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10/13/2010  11:37 PM
I see a team with talent, but a team still searching for some sort of identity, and that is to be expected. maybe the guys are pressing, but right now, we are still lacking leadership from the guard spot and it shows...
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10/13/2010  11:45 PM
They had 3 starters in the game at the end. We sat ours after 3.

You let them play to grow.

Its preseason.

I agree with Nellie, AR is special.

MDA played his rookies at games end. Thats good right?

regarding Felton, Rondo is the quickest guard in the league.

Botton line is our first team did really well tonite when on the floor. Raymond did not play well. He looked like he was forcing it too much.

He has to do better. I can't say he will or won't, but there is time.

AR is a real talented bone head. Might be for a while also. Im not buying into the party line of how he wants to please his coaches so very very bad. AR gets the ball an he just thinks he is the man.

Maybe one day. Reminds me of Nate. AR is not the clown, but no feel for the game yet.

I can't say I agree with what Nellie did, but I understand.

Too bad he can't play like those highlight youtube every nite.

Its preseason. Might last 40 more games. Behold incremental progress.

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10/13/2010  11:48 PM
Finestrg wrote:Things that are really surprising me so far:

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

Yup.

This is a PG orchestrated offense, and this means more than a few P&Rs. Not many drives and kickouts from our PGs.

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10/13/2010  11:57 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Things that are really surprising me so far:

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

Yup.

This is a PG orchestrated offense, and this means more than a few P&Rs. Not many drives and kickouts from our PGs.

Yeah the PG play has been brutal. Guys like Mosgov Gallo Randolph need good PG play where they are getting the ball in the right place at the right time. So far Duhon looks no better than Duhon--hes looked very small at the basket he fumbles the ball a lot and he looks like he lost some foot speed.
A terrible mistake at pick 8 two years ago. Caused us to spend 8mm on felton--that was the money we used to get rid of Hill and jefefries.??

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10/14/2010  12:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Things that are really surprising me so far:

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

Yup.

This is a PG orchestrated offense, and this means more than a few P&Rs. Not many drives and kickouts from our PGs.

Yeah the PG play has been brutal. Guys like Mosgov Gallo Randolph need good PG play where they are getting the ball in the right place at the right time. So far Duhon looks no better than Duhon--hes looked very small at the basket he fumbles the ball a lot and he looks like he lost some foot speed.
A terrible mistake at pick 8 two years ago. Caused us to spend 8mm on felton--that was the money we used to get rid of Hill and jefefries.??

yeah, that's a good point. the 2009 draft will haunt the knicks for years. jennings was right there.

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10/14/2010  12:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Things that are really surprising me so far:

(4) The lack of penetration from our 2 PGs, Felton & Douglas. TD I can see a little -- he was never really that type of player to begin with. But Felton moreso -- I mean this guy was a very good penetrator from what I remember and a guy that could always get his own offense. WTF happened?? He looks lost..

Yup.

This is a PG orchestrated offense, and this means more than a few P&Rs. Not many drives and kickouts from our PGs.

Yeah the PG play has been brutal. Guys like Mosgov Gallo Randolph need good PG play where they are getting the ball in the right place at the right time. So far Duhon looks no better than Duhon--hes looked very small at the basket he fumbles the ball a lot and he looks like he lost some foot speed.
A terrible mistake at pick 8 two years ago. Caused us to spend 8mm on felton--that was the money we used to get rid of Hill and jefefries.??

Just remember that as bad as Felton looks right now, that it can turn around just as quickly. Remember that this is how Duhon looked when he 1st got here, but once he figured it out he had a great start to the season. Felton is working with more talent than Duhon, so I believe once he figures it out he'll be able to sustain it.

No sense in going back and looking at past drafts. This is what we have now and it's still too soon to start feeling like we're doomed.

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10/14/2010  12:11 AM
tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.

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