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TMS wrote:let's get this clear, i'm not in favor of giving up everything we have for Melo... if we can keep one of AR or Gallo & still get Melo, i think it's a no brainer... if not, then it's a non issue cuz i wouldn't make the trade if we had to give up all 3 of AR, Gallo & Wilson.

LOL for the past week you have been arguing against posters who wouldn't give up the farm for Melo - and I think most of them have articulated that that meant not giving up AR, Gallo, Chandler and a possible 2014... and now this? You actually agree with most of those you were arguing against.

I don't think anyone thinks we can give up just Chandler/AR or Chandler/Gallo for Melo.

LOL, for the past week i've been saying i don't give up the farm for Melo... maybe you oughta read my comments before you call me out on them martin?

i said if u can hold onto 1 of either Gallo or AR, that it's a no brainer to make the deal... please show me where i've said we need to give up every single young asset we have to get Melo in a Knicks uniform.

you misread what I said again. I didn't claim the part that is bolded.

the people i'm arguing against are the ones saying both Gallo & AR are untouchable & would not include EITHER of them in a trade for Melo.

perhaps I am mistaken but I don't see one person who says they wouldn't do a Gallo+Curry or AR+Curry for Melo.

you are hugely mistaken... read the posts from BRIGGS & many others who have said both Gallo & AR are off the table in any Melo deal.

read BRIGGS again. This is what he has repeatedly said: he would not trade Gallo+AR+Chandler+2014 (all of them together) for Melo. Not something else. And he and other have said that is what Denver would ask for.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=36374

he & others have said both AR & Gallo are off the table in any Melo deal... i don't have the willingness to go look up the thread or post but feel free to do so if you're so inclined... i'm not here to argue semantics but let's get the facts straight... that is what i'm arguing against... to think that you would pass up a deal for Melo because you consider both Gallo & AR untouchable doesn't make any sense to me... yes, i realize it's possible DEN would ask for both, in which case like i said i wouldn't make the deal, but that is what i am arguing against, that i think it's nuts not to at least be willing to use one of them to put together some kind of package to get Melo, a superstar player in his prime... & yes, i do consider him a superstar, though i'd much rather trade for CP3 as i've stated many times... we're not exactly in a position to be picking & choosing which superstar we will allow to play here... Knicks fans thought guys like Wade & Lebron would be falling over themselves to play at the Garden... well, we all saw how that played out... i'm not willing to pass up a guy like Melo if the right deal presents itself like the others are... they'd rather wait til he becomes a FA & hope that he'll sign here... i'm done w/putting my eggs in the free agency basket.

You're right I wouldnt trade either one of them when Melo will be a FA next year. That being said--you are making up fantasies about what denver will ask for--they will ask for Chandler Gallo Randolph Fields and that 2014 pick or something very similar. Its like making your own argument. What you think we can acquire Melo for and realism is not on the same page. NJ offered 3 picks Derrick Favors and Devin Harris--does that equate to Gallo and pick 2014? You are living in fantasy land my friend. We cant do that deal or even close to it. So lets see what the Melo situation is in 40 game sin and accept we have a pretty good team right now.

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TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

TMS wrote:let's get this clear, i'm not in favor of giving up everything we have for Melo... if we can keep one of AR or Gallo & still get Melo, i think it's a no brainer... if not, then it's a non issue cuz i wouldn't make the trade if we had to give up all 3 of AR, Gallo & Wilson.

LOL for the past week you have been arguing against posters who wouldn't give up the farm for Melo - and I think most of them have articulated that that meant not giving up AR, Gallo, Chandler and a possible 2014... and now this? You actually agree with most of those you were arguing against.

I don't think anyone thinks we can give up just Chandler/AR or Chandler/Gallo for Melo.

LOL, for the past week i've been saying i don't give up the farm for Melo... maybe you oughta read my comments before you call me out on them martin?

i said if u can hold onto 1 of either Gallo or AR, that it's a no brainer to make the deal... please show me where i've said we need to give up every single young asset we have to get Melo in a Knicks uniform.

you misread what I said again. I didn't claim the part that is bolded.

the people i'm arguing against are the ones saying both Gallo & AR are untouchable & would not include EITHER of them in a trade for Melo.

perhaps I am mistaken but I don't see one person who says they wouldn't do a Gallo+Curry or AR+Curry for Melo.

you are hugely mistaken... read the posts from BRIGGS & many others who have said both Gallo & AR are off the table in any Melo deal.

read BRIGGS again. This is what he has repeatedly said: he would not trade Gallo+AR+Chandler+2014 (all of them together) for Melo. Not something else. And he and other have said that is what Denver would ask for.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=36374

he & others have said both AR & Gallo are off the table in any Melo deal... i don't have the willingness to go look up the thread or post but feel free to do so if you're so inclined... i'm not here to argue semantics but let's get the facts straight... that is what i'm arguing against... to think that you would pass up a deal for Melo because you consider both Gallo & AR untouchable doesn't make any sense to me... yes, i realize it's possible DEN would ask for both, in which case like i said i wouldn't make the deal, but that is what i am arguing against, that i think it's nuts not to at least be willing to use one of them to put together some kind of package to get Melo, a superstar player in his prime... & yes, i do consider him a superstar, though i'd much rather trade for CP3 as i've stated many times... we're not exactly in a position to be picking & choosing which superstar we will allow to play here... Knicks fans thought guys like Wade & Lebron would be falling over themselves to play at the Garden... well, we all saw how that played out... i'm not willing to pass up a guy like Melo if the right deal presents itself like the others are... they'd rather wait til he becomes a FA & hope that he'll sign here... i'm done w/putting my eggs in the free agency basket.

You're right I wouldnt trade either one of them when Melo will be a FA next year. That being said--you are making up fantasies about what denver will ask for--they will ask for Chandler Gallo Randolph Fields and that 2014 pick or something very similar. Its like making your own argument. What you think we can acquire Melo for and realism is not on the same page. NJ offered 3 picks Derrick Favors and Devin Harris--does that equate to Gallo and pick 2014? You are living in fantasy land my friend. We cant do that deal or even close to it. So lets see what the Melo situation is in 40 game sin and accept we have a pretty good team right now.

Based on what? We are a 40 win team AT BEST. And a lot needs to happen.

Amar'e Stoudemire is the only Star on the team and who knows if he'll be less effective without Steve Nash. Raymond Felton is an average middle of the pack PG. Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler are role players and very average. Anthony Randolph has done nothing in his career besides having one good month in his Rookie season. Ronny Turiaf and Roger Mason are backups. Kelenna Azubuike is injured. And who knows if Bill Walker is a fluke or if Timofey Mozgov is any good. And Mike D'Antoni has yet to prove he can coach a team without Nash.

Nothing is guaranteed with this roster. Yeah, some of the players can improve and overachieve but it's nothing you bank on.

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:let's get this clear, i'm not in favor of giving up everything we have for Melo... if we can keep one of AR or Gallo & still get Melo, i think it's a no brainer... if not, then it's a non issue cuz i wouldn't make the trade if we had to give up all 3 of AR, Gallo & Wilson.

LOL for the past week you have been arguing against posters who wouldn't give up the farm for Melo - and I think most of them have articulated that that meant not giving up AR, Gallo, Chandler and a possible 2014... and now this? You actually agree with most of those you were arguing against.

I don't think anyone thinks we can give up just Chandler/AR or Chandler/Gallo for Melo.

LOL, for the past week i've been saying i don't give up the farm for Melo... maybe you oughta read my comments before you call me out on them martin?

i said if u can hold onto 1 of either Gallo or AR, that it's a no brainer to make the deal... please show me where i've said we need to give up every single young asset we have to get Melo in a Knicks uniform.

you misread what I said again. I didn't claim the part that is bolded.

the people i'm arguing against are the ones saying both Gallo & AR are untouchable & would not include EITHER of them in a trade for Melo.

perhaps I am mistaken but I don't see one person who says they wouldn't do a Gallo+Curry or AR+Curry for Melo.

you are hugely mistaken... read the posts from BRIGGS & many others who have said both Gallo & AR are off the table in any Melo deal.

read BRIGGS again. This is what he has repeatedly said: he would not trade Gallo+AR+Chandler+2014 (all of them together) for Melo. Not something else. And he and other have said that is what Denver would ask for.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=36374

he & others have said both AR & Gallo are off the table in any Melo deal... i don't have the willingness to go look up the thread or post but feel free to do so if you're so inclined... i'm not here to argue semantics but let's get the facts straight... that is what i'm arguing against... to think that you would pass up a deal for Melo because you consider both Gallo & AR untouchable doesn't make any sense to me... yes, i realize it's possible DEN would ask for both, in which case like i said i wouldn't make the deal, but that is what i am arguing against, that i think it's nuts not to at least be willing to use one of them to put together some kind of package to get Melo, a superstar player in his prime... & yes, i do consider him a superstar, though i'd much rather trade for CP3 as i've stated many times... we're not exactly in a position to be picking & choosing which superstar we will allow to play here... Knicks fans thought guys like Wade & Lebron would be falling over themselves to play at the Garden... well, we all saw how that played out... i'm not willing to pass up a guy like Melo if the right deal presents itself like the others are... they'd rather wait til he becomes a FA & hope that he'll sign here... i'm done w/putting my eggs in the free agency basket.

You're right I wouldnt trade either one of them when Melo will be a FA next year. That being said--you are making up fantasies about what denver will ask for--they will ask for Chandler Gallo Randolph Fields and that 2014 pick or something very similar. Its like making your own argument. What you think we can acquire Melo for and realism is not on the same page. NJ offered 3 picks Derrick Favors and Devin Harris--does that equate to Gallo and pick 2014? You are living in fantasy land my friend. We cant do that deal or even close to it. So lets see what the Melo situation is in 40 game sin and accept we have a pretty good team right now.

Based on what? We are a 40 win team AT BEST. And a lot needs to happen.

Amar'e Stoudemire is the only Star on the team and who knows if he'll be less effective without Steve Nash. Raymond Felton is an average middle of the pack PG. Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler are role players and very average. Anthony Randolph has done nothing in his career besides having one good month in his Rookie season. Ronny Turiaf and Roger Mason are backups. Kelenna Azubuike is injured. And who knows if Bill Walker is a fluke or if Timofey Mozgov is any good. And Mike D'Antoni has yet to prove he can coach a team without Nash.

Nothing is guaranteed with this roster. Yeah, some of the players can improve and overachieve but it's nothing you bank on.

I agree with Sergio regarding the roster we currently have. I think a lot of things have to go right for the Knicks to even think 40 wins. My prediction is 36 wins as a starting point and if Chandler, Gallo and Randolph can get better than maybe you get to 40-42 wins. I seriously think we are over hyping the Knicks team.

If the Knicks can add Melo I have no doubt that the Knicks can get to 50 wins. But like I said this deal is going to happen even before free agency comes around probably around trade deadline.

nixluva wrote:I think this team is going to be more than just 7 games better than last years team that had no PG, C, SG or serious depth. It's obviously not a great team, but the depth and balance is much improved and there are more players who can actually play at the speed that MDA wants. We have WAY more length and shotblocking than before.

Look this is the single biggest reason I can see this team being a better than .500 team, the roster is just flat better defensively. There are more guys here that are known to at least play solid D and backing up the perimeter we have a lot of intimidation with that length. Both Felton and TD are aggressive defenders up top. Gallo and Chandler are serious about playing D, both having 100 blocks collectively and I believe they can and will get better. Then we've added AR, Turiaf and Amar'e who all can block shots very well, maybe even Timo will get into the action. So there's no comparison to the defensive presence this roster has compared to last years team.

On Offense we actually improved as well. There's fewer selfish guys and more guys that play best within a system. Felton and Amare are system guys. They want to run and execute plays to perfection, not go solo all game. I expect TD to be more of a spark off the bench kind of like Nate was. He's got the scoring talent and along with AR should help our second unit be pretty potent. People forget just how good TD has shown himself to be. AR is another guy that I fully expect to be a big boost. I think he's gonna get big minutes cuz he's a stat filler. He does so many things well and if under control, he's a constant threat. Yeah he'll make some mistakes, but his positives will outweigh the negative. To me 36 wins is an insult to the talent on this roster and the balance of the roster. This isn't the same mess of a roster we've had the last 2 years. A roster built to clear cap space and not to win. This team was put together with winning in mind. Just cuz we're young at a lot of spots doesn't mean we won't be good. Just look at OKC and Portland.

Roster isn't as talented as you think. I don't buy the OKC comparison because not one of the three young on the Knicks has the ability of Durant you can't put any of the players that we have in that class. 36 wins is the least I expect from this team if things break in the right direction then maybe you get close to 40-42 wins. It isn't an insult this is the Knicks you have to remember that and if recent past is any indication they find a way to disappoint. We should curb our enthusiasm a bit.

Vmart wrote:Roster isn't as talented as you think. I don't buy the OKC comparison because not one of the three young on the Knicks has the ability of Durant you can't put any of the players that we have in that class. 36 wins is the least I expect from this team if things break in the right direction then maybe you get close to 40-42 wins. It isn't an insult this is the Knicks you have to remember that and if recent past is any indication they find a way to disappoint. We should curb our enthusiasm a bit.

some guys rail all day long about how we don't have anyone like Durant & Melo & yet aren't willing to give up jack to trade for players like that if the opportunity arises... they'd rather target unproven career backup scrubs who haven't done squat in the NBA like Rudy Fernandez or Earl Barron... go figure.

TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:Roster isn't as talented as you think. I don't buy the OKC comparison because not one of the three young on the Knicks has the ability of Durant you can't put any of the players that we have in that class. 36 wins is the least I expect from this team if things break in the right direction then maybe you get close to 40-42 wins. It isn't an insult this is the Knicks you have to remember that and if recent past is any indication they find a way to disappoint. We should curb our enthusiasm a bit.

some guys rail all day long about how we don't have anyone like Durant & Melo & yet aren't willing to give up jack to trade for players like that if the opportunity arises... they'd rather target unproven career backup scrubs who haven't done squat in the NBA like Rudy Fernandez or Earl Barron... go figure.

Melo isn't in Durants league. He's not a superstar.

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TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:Roster isn't as talented as you think. I don't buy the OKC comparison because not one of the three young on the Knicks has the ability of Durant you can't put any of the players that we have in that class. 36 wins is the least I expect from this team if things break in the right direction then maybe you get close to 40-42 wins. It isn't an insult this is the Knicks you have to remember that and if recent past is any indication they find a way to disappoint. We should curb our enthusiasm a bit.

some guys rail all day long about how we don't have anyone like Durant & Melo & yet aren't willing to give up jack to trade for players like that if the opportunity arises... they'd rather target unproven career backup scrubs who haven't done squat in the NBA like Rudy Fernandez or Earl Barron... go figure.

Melo isn't in Durants league. He's not a superstar.

considering Melo only averages 1 less ppg & the same rpg over his career, i have no idea how u can possibly make that statement... it's not like Durant is some All NBA defensive player either.

knickstorrents wrote:Last season, Durant's true shooting percentage was .607, Carmelo's was .548. You people can't just look at raw numbers, you have to look at how efficient the scoring is. A missed field goal is basically a turnover... but I don't think some of you understand that.

So Allanfan is right. I would argue that Chauncey is much more critical to Denver's success than Melo is. However, it is clear that Durant is the most important player on that team.

oh sorry... we're all just ignorant i guess... thank God we have you to educate us on the nuances of the game of basketball... please.

crzymdups wrote:i would agree that melo isn't in durant's league. melo is a great scorer.

i think we all agree it's not worth it to trade AR and gallo for him.

it's a no-brainer to sign melo next off-season. it's a no-brainer we shouldn't trade AR and Gallo for him.

a trade doesn't seem imminent. can't we just move on?

agreed. the next person to mention melo has to be eddy's driver for a month.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I think that Melo is New York or bust. He understand what he can be by coming to New York. Winning a championship with the Knicks. He will have a statue after 2 rings.

For once, I agree with the Bear. LOL I just don't see Carmelo Anthony in Jersey or Chicago or anywhere else. But then again, I never saw LeCon in Miami. : / I guess we'll wait and see. I just refuse to believe we spent almost three years clearing cap for just Amar'e Stoudemire. We WILL acquire that second Star and I believe it's Melo.