Allanfan20 wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:why in Gods name would i even consider trading either of these guys--and I wasnt so sure about Gallo at the start--that shows I play a straight shooter.

we have three superstars on the frontline--- Chris paul Give me Ray felton and let me keep my guys--find some impact bench players and go to war.

I am a big chris paul fan, I think he is the best pg in the league, but it is not like duhon is our PG now.. felton is.. Is paul that much better than felton to want to give up two young prospects like gallo and AR? I am with you briggs.

no one on this forum said they'd be willing to give up both Gallo & AR... but 1 of them? you'd be stupid not to, i'm sorry.

honestly TMS it would be equally as stupid to think that the hornets with all of the leverage would want to give up paul without getting both of those guys back.. I think that is briggs point.. If I am NO... I start out asking for gallo, AR, chandler, curry and a first round pick and the knicks would take back okafor... I mean, why wouldn't they.. it is not like paul can opt out at the end of the year...

Chris Paul is the one who asked to be traded... i fail to see how NO has all the leverage, but you can't expect to pilfer their franchise star for a package of Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas & Eddy Curry, that's just ridiculously out of the question... you have to offer at least 1 kid w/the upside that AR or Gallo has... tell me, you wouldn't give up even 1 of those kids to land CP3?

The reason they have the leverage is b/c they don't have to do jack squad with Chris Paul right now, so their asking price is going to be high. However, as you wait it out, they are going to realize that teams aren't going to be willing to take on OK4s contract and that they may eventually lose Paul for nothing, so they are going to HAVE to take him out the equation and eventually lower Pauls price.

IMO, it's bad business to be instantly doing a trade with NO. If another team gives up everything they got for him, that's cool. We still have a good team, with a very good PG AND a chance to land Melo, AND a chance to land Paul when he becomes a free agent in two years.

We shouldn't be blowing our loads over this guy, especially considering his shaky knees.

You might add that having both those large contract knee risks makes one of them going down a higher probablity you pay large money to someone on the bench and physically unable to contribute some time in the future. Would Paul want/take a new extended contract? And would his knee be un-insurable under a new contract?

Like Gallo's early EuroHighlights it shows his potential but watch either for extended periods of time you see they don't have it together.

at 21 years old you can add the word: YET

What Walsh is trying to do is similar to what he tried to rebuild the Pacers with in NoSharington and Bender. Young athletic guys with huge upside.

One can say that failed and we should not try.

Or one can say what are the odds of a solid concept not working after a few attempts? Bender was injury and Harrington got close.

I believe both are very solid prospects that could be the base for years to come. With a bit of cap luck you build around them and add an allstar when you can.

Playa builds in a divisional element that suits his own agenda.

Forget race, Dlee turned into an allstar and we did the right thing with him and for the team.

Ar and Gallo are equal in terms of upside with different skills sets that all teams need. They are not redundant.

Gallo seems more established in his skill than AR . That makes him more expendable, but you know it really does not matter what we think.

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:People are talking like Gallo has done more and shown people in the LEAGUE more than Randolph and that's alarming to me.

Some say CP3 if he comes to NY WE HAVE TO GIVE UP Randolph and Chandler ,but never Gallo and Chandler WHY IS THAT ?

In this system if both Gallup and Randolph remain healthy I think Randolph covers more ground(ALL AROUND) for the Knicks than any other player on the team including Amare.

the difference is that gallo stretches the floor.. with a PG like paul and an inside player like amare, that is worth more than a slash/midrange player... IMO

TKF what you left out is Randolph plays just as effective on both ends of the court, that's what I meant about all-around.

effective regarding what? gallo stretches the floor, that is more of a need with the knicks, AR does not.... gallo had a better year than AR did, end of story and right now seems to be a bit ahead of AR in development.. that is the truth...

Just as effective.. aR shoots 20% from three.. that is a huge part of the offense here.. that is not just as effective..

AR is 6'11" 240lbs. what on earth would you want him shooting 3pts for?

I was thinking the same thing. KG cant shoot 3's either. I guess it is the D'Antoni effect.

AR isn't KG, and if we had KG, we wouldn't need amare and we would not be comparing who to move... but to play along.. Dirk can shoot 3's... so where do we go from here?

TKF have you ever once considered all the intangibles the Randolph brings that this teams so desperately needs that Gallup doesn't ? Seriously, have you watched the kid play when Nellie shut up and sat down and let the kid play.

He's a game changer defensively he's a midrange guy, he a superior finisher and an opposing force around the basket that nobody has been able to demonstrate for many yrs on our team. Stretching the defense is one thing, but playing an all around game is far more superior. I'm glad we have them both !!!

playa, I have watched this kid play as much as anyone else. I have considered all of that.. but he has not consistently put all of that together.. gallo has put together a more consistent body of work.. as I said, I am glad I have both, but you are the one that started the comparisons. I was just mentioning why some may value gallo's skills for this team, more at this point.. thats all..

I think this video puts stuff in perspective about the KG comparisons.

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:People are talking like Gallo has done more and shown people in the LEAGUE more than Randolph and that's alarming to me.

Some say CP3 if he comes to NY WE HAVE TO GIVE UP Randolph and Chandler ,but never Gallo and Chandler WHY IS THAT ?

In this system if both Gallup and Randolph remain healthy I think Randolph covers more ground(ALL AROUND) for the Knicks than any other player on the team including Amare.

the difference is that gallo stretches the floor.. with a PG like paul and an inside player like amare, that is worth more than a slash/midrange player... IMO

TKF what you left out is Randolph plays just as effective on both ends of the court, that's what I meant about all-around.

effective regarding what? gallo stretches the floor, that is more of a need with the knicks, AR does not.... gallo had a better year than AR did, end of story and right now seems to be a bit ahead of AR in development.. that is the truth...

Just as effective.. aR shoots 20% from three.. that is a huge part of the offense here.. that is not just as effective..

AR is 6'11" 240lbs. what on earth would you want him shooting 3pts for?

I was thinking the same thing. KG cant shoot 3's either. I guess it is the D'Antoni effect.

AR isn't KG, and if we had KG, we wouldn't need amare and we would not be comparing who to move... but to play along.. Dirk can shoot 3's... so where do we go from here?

TKF have you ever once considered all the intangibles the Randolph brings that this teams so desperately needs that Gallup doesn't ? Seriously, have you watched the kid play when Nellie shut up and sat down and let the kid play.

He's a game changer defensively he's a midrange guy, he a superior finisher and an opposing force around the basket that nobody has been able to demonstrate for many yrs on our team. Stretching the defense is one thing, but playing an all around game is far more superior. I'm glad we have them both !!!

playa, I have watched this kid play as much as anyone else. I have considered all of that.. but he has not consistently put all of that together.. gallo has put together a more consistent body of work.. as I said, I am glad I have both, but you are the one that started the comparisons. I was just mentioning why some may value gallo's skills for this team, more at this point.. thats all..

Put gallo with Nelson and put Randolph with danphoney at the beginning of their career and you would probably beleive what i'm saying.

Two different enviorments brought out 2 different results.

playa2 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Gallo is farther along then Randolph, but that was expected since he is a yr older and played vs grown men for a while. That's one of the reasons he got the edge over Randolph at the draft.

Gallo has potential as a big scorer in the league. He averaged 15pts per game basically his rookie yr with the worst PG play in the NBA and only Lee as a true impact player to draw double teams and such. I expect his fg% to rise with better PG play. Also with guys like Felton, Amare, Chandler, Randolph who can all attack the rim, teams are going to look to pack that paint. Gallo can really have a nice season off the 3pt line alone. Id like him to become dominant with the pull ups of the dribble though and develop a back to basket game. That would put him on the Dirk level offensively.

Randolph has more potential then Gallo because of his god given athleticism. He can really develop into a defensive anchor. Dominating the boards, shot blocking, guarding multiple positions along the front court. Offensively he has potential. He is really an ideal pick and roll guy but with Amare getting majority of those touches, in this offense he is going to have to get his on fast breaks, crashing offensive boards, and as the backup P&R guy when Amare is taking a breather.

Great points made NY NY, I also see when Amare is out of the game or in foul trouble, Randolph will fill in nicely with the pick and roll game plus he does have a back to the basket game. The potential that Randolp hs will make him MVP for the knicks one day one day. When teams worry about gallo outside and amare inside Randolph will cause havoc !

I wish that Amare would agree to be our center so that we can have Gallo and Randolph as the forwards just killing teams. The way they compliment each other so well like we had with Houston-Sprewell except nobody is playing out of position.

The way I see it Gallo's role is stretch the floor, Amare's roll is to draw double teams in the paint, Randolph's role is to kill teams with hustle plays while teams are concerned with Gallo's 3s or Amare killing them in the paint.

Same thing with Chandler, he need to knock down open three's or crash the boards offensively.