Allanfan20 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://www.allanhouston.com/index.php/blog/962-a-lot-of-people-happy-at-dinner-tonight.html

Holy rich people! Who's the guy on the very right and who's behind Mike D'Antoni?

looks like Fat Joe behind MDA & the guy on the right is probably someone who plays on the Jets... dude looks like a football player.

nyk4ever wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Horrible move. Now instead of us going for draft picks we are going to be good enough to make it to the playoffs year after year but not good enough to become a championship dynasty or even win a championship. Not bad enough for a good draft position. Perennial playoff losers. Get ready for another decade of suck.

LOL this is probably the most illogical post ive read on here in a while

Ok, well lets see...

Fact 1, in 2011 the Knicks were just good enough to secure the 17th pick in the draft... yes i didnt say number 7th pick, I said 17th. Thats a low number. "Not bad enough for a good draft position". Fact 2, the Knicks were just good enough to make it to the playoffs... as an eigth seed... before being swept... in the first round. "Perennial playoff losers". So if by illogical, you mean spot on, then yes my comment was illogical.

Perhaps now you are beginning to understand the position I have taken on the ridiculous moves the Knicks have been making.

subzero0 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Horrible move. Now instead of us going for draft picks we are going to be good enough to make it to the playoffs year after year but not good enough to become a championship dynasty or even win a championship. Not bad enough for a good draft position. Perennial playoff losers. Get ready for another decade of suck.

LOL this is probably the most illogical post ive read on here in a while

Ok, well lets see...

Fact 1, in 2011 the Knicks were just good enough to secure the 17th pick in the draft... yes i didnt say number 7th pick, I said 17th. Thats a low number. "Not bad enough for a good draft position". Fact 2, the Knicks were just good enough to make it to the playoffs... as an eigth seed... before being swept... in the first round. "Perennial playoff losers". So if by illogical, you mean spot on, then yes my comment was illogical.

Perhaps now you are beginning to understand the position I have taken on the ridiculous moves the Knicks have been making.

The Amare signing was solid. What picks did that cost us? Jordan Hill? That wasnt the piece to put us with the elite. What killed us losing Gallo (22), Felton (26), AR (21), Mosgov (24), 2014 first rounder, 2016 swap w/ Denver for one player we had the cap space to sign anyway. Unless the Knick Melo ups his game to Michael Jordan status then yea... we are looking at a lot of years of first round and dones.

fishmike wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Horrible move. Now instead of us going for draft picks we are going to be good enough to make it to the playoffs year after year but not good enough to become a championship dynasty or even win a championship. Not bad enough for a good draft position. Perennial playoff losers. Get ready for another decade of suck.

LOL this is probably the most illogical post ive read on here in a while

Ok, well lets see...

Fact 1, in 2011 the Knicks were just good enough to secure the 17th pick in the draft... yes i didnt say number 7th pick, I said 17th. Thats a low number. "Not bad enough for a good draft position". Fact 2, the Knicks were just good enough to make it to the playoffs... as an eigth seed... before being swept... in the first round. "Perennial playoff losers". So if by illogical, you mean spot on, then yes my comment was illogical.

Perhaps now you are beginning to understand the position I have taken on the ridiculous moves the Knicks have been making.

this move wasnt the problem. All those things you listed would have happened without the Melo trade, except we would have been the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the league with a roster deep with size and athleticism and max cap space to add another star, etc

The Amare signing was solid. What picks did that cost us? Jordan Hill? That wasnt the piece to put us with the elite. What killed us losing Gallo (22), Felton (26), AR (21), Mosgov (24), 2014 first rounder, 2016 swap w/ Denver for one player we had the cap space to sign anyway. Unless the Knick Melo ups his game to Michael Jordan status then yea... we are looking at a lot of years of first round and dones.

You make a good point here actually. The only thing is if you start with a young draft player first then he can develop a little maybe until you make your first and second big free agent signing. After the second big signing you're ready to make some big waves in the finals. But yea, you're right also.

OasisBU wrote:Man the posters calling for the death of this franchise are really taking over UK and to be honest it's getting old.

Yes we gave up a lot but what choice did we have? There is no way we were going to be competitive with the Heat unless we got a guy like Melo. The job isn't done yet, we have an off season and a draft to try and get more pieces.

Are we in a bind because of the cap? Yes. Did we give up too many picks? Probably, but we really only lost Felton and Gallo as far as players go. Moz wasn't that good (and I like him) and Chandler was gone in FA. AR was a non event and don't even get me started on McCurry.

We have yet to make a follow up move, start judging when that happens. Until then don't be so down - we weren't going to compete with the Heat, Bulls, Dallas or OKC.

The reason why many of us are down is not because we are not able to compete with the top teams now, but rather because we will not be able to compete with the top tier teams for about 8 or 9 years. That is the truth. Why, because we are royally screwed cap wise. We need 3 scoring options and a decent bench to even be able to think about competing with a top tier team like the Heat. If we had kept Gallo out of this trade then we could have kept him as our third scoring option. Eventually the Knicks could have re-signed Gallo without it counting against their cap. This would have allowed them to kept a decent number of respectable bench players and 3 scoring options. Now there is no room to do that. Perhaps the worst part of this last trade is the fact that many fans don't truly realized just how screwed up the Knicks are right now unless the Knicks team management changes course. But they soon will know as the next 8 years develops into failed hopes and dreams.

That is why many of us are so down right now.

subzero0 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Man the posters calling for the death of this franchise are really taking over UK and to be honest it's getting old.

Yes we gave up a lot but what choice did we have? There is no way we were going to be competitive with the Heat unless we got a guy like Melo. The job isn't done yet, we have an off season and a draft to try and get more pieces.

Are we in a bind because of the cap? Yes. Did we give up too many picks? Probably, but we really only lost Felton and Gallo as far as players go. Moz wasn't that good (and I like him) and Chandler was gone in FA. AR was a non event and don't even get me started on McCurry.

We have yet to make a follow up move, start judging when that happens. Until then don't be so down - we weren't going to compete with the Heat, Bulls, Dallas or OKC.

The reason why many of us are down is not because we are not able to compete with the top teams now, but rather because we will not be able to compete with the top tier teams for about 8 or 9 years. That is the truth. Why, because we are royally screwed cap wise. We need 3 scoring options and a decent bench to even be able to think about competing with a top tier team like the Heat. If we had kept Gallo out of this trade then we could have kept him as our third scoring option. Eventually the Knicks could have re-signed Gallo without it counting against their cap. This would have allowed them to kept a decent number of respectable bench players and 3 scoring options. Now there is no room to do that. Perhaps the worst part of this last trade is the fact that many fans don't truly realized just how screwed up the Knicks are right now unless the Knicks team management changes course. But they soon will know as the next 8 years develops into failed hopes and dreams.

That is why many of us are so down right now.

Yup Yup

subzero0 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Man the posters calling for the death of this franchise are really taking over UK and to be honest it's getting old.

Yes we gave up a lot but what choice did we have? There is no way we were going to be competitive with the Heat unless we got a guy like Melo. The job isn't done yet, we have an off season and a draft to try and get more pieces.

Are we in a bind because of the cap? Yes. Did we give up too many picks? Probably, but we really only lost Felton and Gallo as far as players go. Moz wasn't that good (and I like him) and Chandler was gone in FA. AR was a non event and don't even get me started on McCurry.

We have yet to make a follow up move, start judging when that happens. Until then don't be so down - we weren't going to compete with the Heat, Bulls, Dallas or OKC.

The reason why many of us are down is not because we are not able to compete with the top teams now, but rather because we will not be able to compete with the top tier teams for about 8 or 9 years. That is the truth. Why, because we are royally screwed cap wise. We need 3 scoring options and a decent bench to even be able to think about competing with a top tier team like the Heat. If we had kept Gallo out of this trade then we could have kept him as our third scoring option. Eventually the Knicks could have re-signed Gallo without it counting against their cap. This would have allowed them to kept a decent number of respectable bench players and 3 scoring options. Now there is no room to do that. Perhaps the worst part of this last trade is the fact that many fans don't truly realized just how screwed up the Knicks are right now unless the Knicks team management changes course. But they soon will know as the next 8 years develops into failed hopes and dreams.

That is why many of us are so down right now.

Like getting swept wasn't bad enough, now there's not even a ledge to stand on before jumping...

Screw all you lowrenters! It's almost summer in NJ, we'll be talking Vegas summer league before you know it, and Melo will come to camp cut and ready to run any flotsam and jetsom pretenders off the roster and out of the league. Walsh will work some sort of magic with a defensive big that also manages to keep Pringles happy, we steal some quality PG from some loser franchise (hello Brooklynettes, I'm talking to you), and all of sudden, the skies are blue and orange again.

The glass is 2/3's full, my friends.
Wow, I feel all better now.

subzero0 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Horrible move. Now instead of us going for draft picks we are going to be good enough to make it to the playoffs year after year but not good enough to become a championship dynasty or even win a championship. Not bad enough for a good draft position. Perennial playoff losers. Get ready for another decade of suck.

LOL this is probably the most illogical post ive read on here in a while

Doesn't sound so illogical now, nyk4ever.

It's actually hilarious that you waited all this time and then pulled the post out from the archives 3 years later just to write an I told you so. Now that is determination.