martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

exactly.. but I already saw through the mess playa is trying to spew.. dude has a history of this.. His opinions of gallanari has nothing to do with basketball... really disgusting.. and on a board full of guys who seem to be pretty smart, I find his agenda to be troublesome and out of place...

playa2 wrote:

martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

but brandon jennings played in Italy, so your theory is shot to hell....

sebstar wrote:To say that we are implying that Walsh and co are racists is trying to over dramatize things.

MSG is a very corporate environment. Anybody that says that they are "color blind" or "race neutral" is a lie. So with the struggling Knicks being so closely tied to the likes of Isiah, Marbury, Curry, ext... it would be naive to think that there wouldnt be a certain stigma attached to that Knicks regmie. A stigma that it stands to reason Dolan and Co would want to change.

Race and being "urban" is an easy shorthand response and reasoning. Its life.

If you want to look at the D'Antoni hire, Gallo pick, and Hill pick ( I know he's black but they picked a "good" black instead of the right pick --- Jennings, who was easily marginalized as a head case because he was more "urban") as all coincidences, fine.

Point being is that it is P.R 101. The audience is primarily white, especially the ones buying tickets. Advertisers, sponsers, corporate types --- so its comforting to them to see the makeup of the team and managment more geared towards their sensibilities and hues. Even subconsiously. Especially when they feel like they gave a "black" a chance and he messed up.

This has happened again and again, over and over since integration and the civil rights bill. Not from an NBA standpoint, but life in general. I know some of ya'll dont see it, or its easy to overlook, but its reality.

in general, absolutely. in the specific case of the knick fan base, I don‘t think so.

what am i basing this on? attendance this year. i went to a dozen games at the garden this year. i've never seen the place so empty. and that's with the garden GIVING tickets away to try to fill the empty seats. how many times did brian msg come on this board trying to get people to buy $90 seats - FOR $20!! that's unprecedented as far as i know.

and this after walsh gave us d'antoni, gallo, darko, re-signed lee, hill, douglas (another “high-character” guy). according to your theory everyone should have JUMPED at the chance to see a more presentable team. but it’s not the case. so why's that? i'd maintain it's because they suck and play crappy b-ball. and that's the criteria people are using to determine whether they go see them or not.

you could put together a squad of jennings, artest. stephen jackson, jermaine, ellis, kg, whomever. they play hard-nosed winning ball and the place sells right the hell back out imo.

sebstar wrote:No doubt, Marvelous. I'm with you on that. I was more or less talking about the motivations of knick management and their interpretations of things.

NY'ers are looking for ballers, period. If anything, I think Knick fans were more offended by the Layden regime, than the Zeke one because that Layden era was so pussified and Mormon-inspired.

"Pussified and Morma-Inspired!" Great line. Laydog is son of Frank, a NYer.

But I hear you.

You really have to go back to Sprewell and his effect on Dolan. Dolan and company all knew the gig with Spree BEFORE bringing him in so its not like anyone was shocked to see he was no Choirboy. He was a "hood rat low character" guy. Layden got rid of him on dolans orders and told him no more low brow dudes. Team was so boring and the puppet Layden was let go. Then Isiah opens the flood gates to bring good guys with bad on court manners. These guys were ok. I think Zdumb was ok once he got here, Craw was great, Nate was good. Talented over paid role players with the toxic Marbury as the alpha dog. Bad choice.

Playa is out of line because Gallo is talented.

Besides, Jersey Shore Guido stereotypes like Da Yanks, Da Mets, Da Giants, Da phreaking Jets and bowling more than watching a bunch of "Moulies" in the NBA (incert laugh track here).

If playa wants to look for it one can always find it. I think Sebby is right. Its just basketball and you win with talent. A bum is a bum no matter the color of his skin.

Lets be real, the knicks the last 20 years have mostly been of black players. Win and the city loves you no matter your skin. Lose and they will call you out.

Dlee gets some passes cuz he has gotten better every year, is a hustle player, and this year is an all star. Marbury despite his reputation BEFORE being a knick got stuperstarPhuck treatment and a fresh start. He took his act to a whole new level here.

Gallo is a talent, has stayed healthy, and improved vastly this year. The stats don't lie.

Go around the league and thru the history of White fans wearing the jersey of a black player. Not sure about that in reverse the the top superstars and marketing superstars in this country are black. THey are players first.

Rothlisberger was less of a story because he has no endorsment deals except for the beef jerkey. A big story about vick and tiger was the loss of endorsement deals. Big dumb Ben NEVER EVEN HAD ANY TO SPEAK OF. Thats why he is a small story. The NFL threw a big suspension on his dumb ass. No its not plaxico or vick because he is not going to jail and was not convicted of a felony. And its not all over the press cuz gatorade or Spam is not dropping him as its sponser.

Gallo also brings a marketing opportunity for the knicks and the NBA to italy and euroleague. More so from NY than Gallo playing in Indiana. They don't like them I-Tally-Eono's in Indy......(Laugh track)

Nalod wrote:

Gallo also brings a marketing opportunity for the knicks and the NBA to italy and euroleague. More so from NY than Gallo playing in Indiana. They don't like them I-Tally-Eono's in Indy......(Laugh track)

And being "the community pick" is out of line is off base ?

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

exactly.. but I already saw through the mess playa is trying to spew.. dude has a history of this.. His opinions of gallanari has nothing to do with basketball... really disgusting.. and on a board full of guys who seem to be pretty smart, I find his agenda to be troublesome and out of place...

BY YOUR LAST TWO POST ABOUT ME , YOU HAVE AN AGENDA OF PERSUASION OF TRYING TO GET RID OF ME LIKE THIS IS REAL GM OR SOMETHING. PIPE DOWN AND LET PEOPLE GIVE THEIR OPINIONS WITHOUT PERSONAL JABS MAN. Your modus operandi is so eveident it isn't funny.

No need to get rid of you, or want to get rid of you... I am somewhat entertained by your post.. If anything, it gives me a good laugh now and then....

After all of these years, you think you would have learned playa, but you still are full of tricks.. but that is cool... I have no personal problem with you, just don't like your politics when it comes to posting my friend...

Nalod wrote:We really need a player from China. We are leaving too much money on the table. Sergio gives us no need for Rubio. Can we outfit TD with more Hip Hop cred? Get that Memphis big dude (Hadid?) for the Persion middle east crowd, and bring back Ameechi for the rainbow coalition!

Lets just get players for "the community". After all, if we gonna suck, lets do it "correctly!"

Paladin55 wrote:

Nalod wrote:We really need a player from China. We are leaving too much money on the table. Sergio gives us no need for Rubio. Can we outfit TD with more Hip Hop cred? Get that Memphis big dude (Hadid?) for the Persion middle east crowd, and bring back Ameechi for the rainbow coalition!

Lets just get players for "the community". After all, if we gonna suck, lets do it "correctly!"

Largest growing population in the city is the Latino population, from what I know...who is the best Latino player on the prospect list?

Edited- has to be Greivis Vasquez, based on the "neocommunity pick" rule.

Italian NYers are yesterday's news. Chinatown has eaten all but 2 blocks of Little Italy.

Panos wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Nalod wrote:We really need a player from China. We are leaving too much money on the table. Sergio gives us no need for Rubio. Can we outfit TD with more Hip Hop cred? Get that Memphis big dude (Hadid?) for the Persion middle east crowd, and bring back Ameechi for the rainbow coalition!

Lets just get players for "the community". After all, if we gonna suck, lets do it "correctly!"

Largest growing population in the city is the Latino population, from what I know...who is the best Latino player on the prospect list?

Edited- has to be Greivis Vasquez, based on the "neocommunity pick" rule.

Italian NYers are yesterday's news. Chinatown has eaten all but 2 blocks of Little Italy.

But they moving to the burbs man! Besides, its the "World wide" community I am talking!

Can Sergio cover the Latino market with the language? Just trying to consolidate.