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Cosmic
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3/9/2010  7:17 AM
Good post, Mark. You make valid points. Aside from my POV on Hill of course...I'm inclined to agree with most of what you posted.
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3/9/2010  7:19 AM
Papabear wrote:
Cosmic wrote:Typical.

Dude's on another team, finally has a good game, and the world has ended.

LOL.

Hill's a scrub. 8th man backup player at best some day. Whooptie doo. Like Sweetney and Butler never had 12/8 in a game. I guess they were superstars that were wrongly traded/cut as well.

Anyone who would keep Hill over a chance to grab Bosh is flat out crazy. But that's what we do (on knick forums) don't we. Eagerly wait for a problem and then pounce on it and go nuts and whine.

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Cosmic I want to see your reaction when Bosh don't come here.

It would be one of disappointment but I will still say we made the necessary moves to at least give us the chance to land multiple talented free agents.

You don't do that Jeffries/Hill trade you likely don't have a chance to score big this offseason.

Now we have the chance. That's what it's all about. Nearly clean slate roster and infinite cap room. We can sign players outright or we can absorb salary in a trade.

What happens from here is anyone's guess but the POINT is that we have GIVEN OURSELVES THE CHANCE to do something special. Keeping Hill? May have meant that we could only sign 1 player - and that 1 player probably wouldn't want to come here on their own.

Now we're building a team around Jordan Hill.

Anyone think that would be successful?

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3/9/2010  7:20 AM
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nixluva wrote:TMS it all depends on how much you value Hill and the Pick. I liked Hill's talent and got killed for suggesting that he had similar athletic ability to Amare tho obviously he's not at that level right now. Still I think for DW it comes down to the time factor. He's not really willing to wait on him and feels he can get a player to replace him that is already at the level the team needs. Whether that's Bosh or Amare it's hard to argue that they are worth going for.

Some have suggested that it's only worth it if we end up with Lebron, but that's crazy thinking since we had enough money for Lebron if he was really hard on coming. This is about doing more than that. The Hill move was to add some extra space to do more than just bring in Lebron. It's entirely worth it if you expect to get a proven talent.

the problem i have w/this whole ****up of a trade is if we had no plans on developing our lottery pick, why didn't we just dump the pick last year to get rid of Curry or Fishlips' contract instead of waiting a year just to dump it & have to throw in 2 additional 1st round pick rights on top of it... it's just a completely inept management of assets, there's no if's and's or but's about it.

If you recall I was screaming at times to just trade the damn pick to dump FishLips or McCurry.

Not going to say it would have been the right thing to do but...now it seems it was.

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3/9/2010  7:17 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:

don't waste your time... Cosmic has already come to the conclusion this 22 year old kid is a bust & there's nothing u can do or say to convince him otherwise... he clearly has a better handle on judging NBA talent than mere mortal NBA scouts... 24 games of sporadic play & seeing this kid twisting his hair on the sidelines is all he needs to see... BUST! stop whining!

Age has nothing to do with skill. When you speak on those terms that means every 22 y/o kid can be special. They can't.

Hill plays basketball because someone forced him to. "Hey you're tall play basketball."

He doesn't play because he loves the game he plays because he can. Seems to have worked out now that he's a multi-millionaire.

Good for him.

But people don't pan out when they're forced to do something. And he won't.

"He's young."
"Big men take time to develop."

These are age old excuses for a player that sucks.

Jonathan Givony: Let’s flash back about three or four years to high school. You weren’t the most highly regarded guy in your class, but now you’re on the verge of being a top ten pick, what do you think happened there? What kind of high school player were you?

Jordan Hill: I started playing organized basketball my ninth grade year, I mean I played basketball when I was little just for fun, do what I have to do, but ninth grade year I played, tenth grade year I played, eleventh grade year I didn’t play because of my grades, so I just tried to get that up, then my senior year I went to Patterson, North Carolina and played there.

I went through a lot, but I just loved the game of basketball, so I worked hard at it, tried to accomplish what I wanted, and I’m just trying to be a good basketball player. The situation I’m in now, I’m thankful for it, and I can’t take it for granted, and I don’t have any regrets, all this stuff I’ve been through, I just have to keep fighting and keep going.

Jonathan Givony: Did you ever envision during your senior year of high school that you would be in the position to be a top-10 draft pick?

Jordan Hill: Definitely not. It was definitely one of my goals, but the position I was in it was hard to say, ‘I’m going to be an NBA player’ because nobody knew who I was, I was not even highly recruited. I just had the heart for the game, I just wanted to go out there and work hard at it, so if the opportunity comes to play at the next level I’m just going to go out there and do what I have to do.

yeah, sure sounds like he was forced to play this game to me... stop making sheit up to state your case, u lose all credibility

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3/9/2010  8:32 PM
Houston is going against Washington tonight.
Top Performers
Houston
Jordan Hill 3-3, 9 Pts 6 Rebs, 2 Assists
Washington
Andray Blatche 7-14, 14 Pts 2 Rebs, 0 Assists

Game is in the 3rd quarter.

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3/9/2010  8:34 PM
haha. add jordan hill to the list of nba players we can eat our hearts out over for the next bunch of years. in a few months we'll probably add david lee to that list.
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3/9/2010  8:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2010  8:40 PM
I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.
"Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
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3/9/2010  8:42 PM
new york knicks motto: "I don't care. I don't ****ing care."
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3/9/2010  8:59 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:

don't waste your time... Cosmic has already come to the conclusion this 22 year old kid is a bust & there's nothing u can do or say to convince him otherwise... he clearly has a better handle on judging NBA talent than mere mortal NBA scouts... 24 games of sporadic play & seeing this kid twisting his hair on the sidelines is all he needs to see... BUST! stop whining!

Age has nothing to do with skill. When you speak on those terms that means every 22 y/o kid can be special. They can't.

Hill plays basketball because someone forced him to. "Hey you're tall play basketball."

He doesn't play because he loves the game he plays because he can. Seems to have worked out now that he's a multi-millionaire.

Good for him.

But people don't pan out when they're forced to do something. And he won't.

"He's young."
"Big men take time to develop."

These are age old excuses for a player that sucks.

Cosmic---calm down. You must be a member of the Knicks marketing dept.Guess what Jordan Hill is good and we didnt have one iota of common sense to give him 25 minuted for 10 games to see how he would play--why because schmucks run the team starting with the King Scmuck Dolan. I don't blame Walsh here--this is MDA and Dolan. But Cosmic--here is soem good advice--calm down with the Jordan Hill scks stuff because the foot will insert into the mouth even deeper.

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3/9/2010  9:02 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

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3/9/2010  9:08 PM
WindsorPl wrote:Houston is going against Washington tonight.
Top Performers
Houston
Jordan Hill 3-3, 9 Pts 6 Rebs, 2 Assists
Washington
Andray Blatche 7-14, 14 Pts 2 Rebs, 0 Assists

Game is in the 3rd quarter.

11 pts / 7 reb (4 offensive) / 2 ast in 23 min. on 4 of 5 shooting & 3 of 4 from the FT line (+13)

FWD to 0:27 & see how active this kid is on the boards.

http://www.nba.com/games/20100309/HOUWAS/gameinfo.html#

yyyep, sure looks like a bust to me.

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3/9/2010  9:10 PM
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

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3/9/2010  9:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

who is it? GK? now that u mention it i have noticed there's several "new member" screennames i've seen pop up in recent weeks that post like they're longtime veterans of these forums

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3/9/2010  9:15 PM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

who is it? GK? now that u mention it i have noticed there's several "new member" screennames i've seen pop up in recent weeks that post like they're longtime veterans of these forums

GKF and Trueblue post under Childs Dudley and juice.

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3/9/2010  9:15 PM
WindsorPl wrote:Houston is going against Washington tonight.
Top Performers
Houston
Jordan Hill 3-3, 9 Pts 6 Rebs, 2 Assists
Washington
Andray Blatche 7-14, 14 Pts 2 Rebs, 0 Assists

Game is in the 3rd quarter.

Jordan Hill 3-4 11 Pts 8 Rebs, 2 Assists

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3/9/2010  9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

ROFL. But seriously it makes banning pointless.

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3/9/2010  9:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

I missed all the fun

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3/9/2010  9:23 PM
WindsorPl wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't care. I don't friggin care. What's done is done. Move on. I'm done sitting here crying about the past. It is what it is. Move on.

go ahead & move on, no one's twisting ur arm to comment if u don't care anymore.

That kid and trueblue haev been kicked out of here like 4 times each yet they keep coming back to annoy. That kid said he was like 19 yet somehow knows Chris Dudley--he was watching him when he was 6:) Im thinking 36 Mom's basement

I missed all the fun

You too Windsor?? But which one are you? Hmm... Damn we can play Mystery with all these disguises.

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3/9/2010  9:30 PM
LOL Hill finish with the same amount of assist as Brooks which is two more than Martin. Those guys never pass.
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3/9/2010  9:42 PM
Pharzeone wrote:LOL Hill finish with the same amount of assist as Brooks which is two more than Martin. Those guys never pass.

Phazerzone--how come none of these journalists who work for the local papers can come up with who actually was the main guy responsible for the moves. I know D Walsh will say its him--but at 68 and making mm$$ he's going to say a company line. Are any of these journalists good enough to get the real scoop?

RIP Crushalot😞
Jordan Hill 12 points 8 rebounds in 23minutes

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