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nixluva
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2/22/2010  7:22 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I liked the fact that Rodriguez can get to the hoop almost at will. That's a good skill to have. I can't count how many times the team was forced to take forced jumper because that was the best Duhon could get during a given possession.
But, I am worried about Sergio's D. He didn't bother moving up into Westbrook's chest the entire night. I can kinda deal with it if a player scores because he's taller or elevates too high if the defensive effort is there. But Sergio gave up six feet of space to Westbrook during each possession and it wasn't like he was in foul trouble.

Defense and shooting may be his biggest areas of work to be done. I think anyone can be a better team defender, even if they aren't gifted with great defensive instincts. I don't expect him to ever be great defensively, but I do expect him to show improvement if he's going to be given extended minutes.

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2/22/2010  7:35 PM
Overall he was good against OKC, a refreshing change from what we've had this season at PG. He can really handle and slips around the court with ease. Appears to be a far superior playmaker than Duhon, and his speedy game is what MDA loves.

But it wasn't like he went out there and dominated. However, considering we've been dealing with Duhon, a mediocre guard going through an extended bad stretch--as bad as he's had in the last 2 years--there's a little extra eagerness to get excited about any good PG play.

I agree we should consider his qualifying offer. He could be excellent value for the money, at a position where we need help, and in a favorable system.

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2/22/2010  10:03 PM
Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

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2/22/2010  10:04 PM
had some steals off the bucks lazy passes...
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2/22/2010  10:05 PM
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Not really. But to be fair this was a pretty lethargic game by everyone. A pg's best friend is a player who cuts to the rim. No one moved tonight, and no one got into any type of rhythym which is evident by the 10 team assists and 35% shooting.

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2/22/2010  10:08 PM
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Sergio has been a 3rd string PG for reason. He is ok but seems to get a little fancy and lose control of the ball. He is still a million times better than Duhon.

I wouldnt keep him after this summer though.

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2/22/2010  10:08 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Not really. But to be fair this was a pretty lethargic game by everyone. A pg's best friend is a player who cuts to the rim. No one moved tonight, and no one got into any type of rhythym which is evident by the 10 team assists and 35% shooting.

but i thought the argument was that the offense flowed so much better w.Sergio leading the offense? i haven't noticed much of a change at all other than a guy who runs the ball upcourt rather than walking it... this team still looks stagnant & there is no leader on the floor.

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2/22/2010  10:10 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Sergio has been a 3rd string PG for reason. He is ok but seems to get a little fancy and lose control of the ball. He is still a million times better than Duhon.

I wouldnt keep him after this summer though.

dude, that's a crappy looking stat line w/the exception of the steals... when Duhon puts up #'s like that you have people wanting to tear his head off, but Sergio's excused because everyone on the team was playing lazy tonight?

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2/22/2010  10:14 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Sergio has been a 3rd string PG for reason. He is ok but seems to get a little fancy and lose control of the ball. He is still a million times better than Duhon.

I wouldnt keep him after this summer though.

dude, that's a crappy looking stat line w/the exception of the steals... when Duhon puts up #'s like that you have people wanting to tear his head off, but Sergio's excused because everyone on the team was playing lazy tonight?

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2/22/2010  10:15 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:Sergio's line tonight:

4 pts. / 1 reb. / 1 ast. / 3 to's / 8 stl. in 29 min.
2 of 8 shooting
0 for 2 from 3 pt. range
-19 in +/-

just curious, was there any court vision on display tonight or was i watching a different game tonight also?

Sergio has been a 3rd string PG for reason. He is ok but seems to get a little fancy and lose control of the ball. He is still a million times better than Duhon.

I wouldnt keep him after this summer though.

dude, that's a crappy looking stat line w/the exception of the steals... when Duhon puts up #'s like that you have people wanting to tear his head off, but Sergio's excused because everyone on the team was playing lazy tonight?

Im not making excuses for the guy but I wasnt expecting a starter caliber PG. I just dont want to see Duhon again this season.

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2/22/2010  10:16 PM
GEEZ, don't let this stuff cloud the issue. We have a team that is in transition. I want to see Sergio continue to start the rest of the season and I want to see this guy get a chance to learn from MDA and for the players to get a chance to develop more chemistry together. Do you think he's even had a chance to full learn the plays and to get comfortable? He can't have any ups and downs as a kid getting really his 1st real shot to lead a team... I really give up with some of you guys. You just want to push the Negative button 1st chance you get. RELAX and let things develop.

It was a dud game, that happens. I want to see more of this kid especially after he get's a chance to have some full practices under his belt. Still love the raw skills and energy of Sergio and with more guidance from MDA maybe he's a guy we can keep.

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2/22/2010  10:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  10:23 PM
nixluva, you are the one constantly rushing to judgements of optimism everytime we add a new player or coach... i'm not being negative on Sergio, just relating the facts... i believe i'm the one telling u to relax & let things develop before rushing to any judgements... you're calling this guy Steve Nash Lite after 1 game for Christ's sake!

... he has not been impressive yet & you're already jumping on his bandwagon thinking he's our longterm answer at the PG position... u get flustered everytime someone points out these things to you like they're stepping on the daisies you just planted in your flower garden... relax & consider the points being addressed here & stop taking things so personal.

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2/22/2010  10:39 PM
TMS wrote:nixluva, you are the one constantly rushing to judgements of optimism everytime we add a new player or coach... i'm not being negative on Sergio, just relating the facts... i believe i'm the one telling u to relax & let things develop before rushing to any judgements... you're calling this guy Steve Nash Lite after 1 game for Christ's sake!

... he has not been impressive yet & you're already jumping on his bandwagon thinking he's our longterm answer at the PG position... u get flustered everytime someone points out these things to you like they're stepping on the daisies you just planted in your flower garden... relax & consider the points being addressed here & stop taking things so personal.

On the internet its hard to fully interpret how someone means what they write or what the tone is. I was saying that the kids SKILLS were like Nash in terms of his uptempo style of play, keeping his dribble, attacking the basket, court vision and accurate passing. I never said he was on Nash's level at this point, which would be ridiculous. People take my comparison the wrong way. Any time you mention a great player and say that a new player reminds you of that great player, people take it the wrong way and assume that we're saying they're just as good.

Further I am completely relaxed and happy. The fact that a kid has one good game or one bad game is not what my posting was about. I like his talent and feel that he has more natural PG ability than anyone else on our roster. I would like to see him developed further. That's what i've been saying and I still feel that way.

When you say he hasn't "been impressive" that goes to having a great game which he hasn't had. I'm talking about his PG skills and was always talking about his skills as a PG. I never said he had a great overall game in his 1st game. I've never said he was all the way there and ready to lead us to greatness. I merely talked about his skills, which I like a lot. Of course there is more to the game and I hope he will learn those things and continue to develop those skills.

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2/22/2010  10:53 PM
i'm holding my judgement on Sergio until he shows me something worth getting excited over... i haven't jumped the gun on saying he sucks or that he's great... based on 2 games of action all i can say is his shot has looked very erradic & he has not effectively orchestrated the offense, but he is very active on the floor & that part at least is refreshing... he will still need to start hitting his J's if he expects to stick around for the longterm... if his career stats are any indication, i don't have much faith that it will improve, but i'm hoping.
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2/23/2010  12:06 AM
You can't get many assists when the team scores 67 points. But 8 steals is awesome. Anyone know the Knicks record for steals in one game?
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2/23/2010  3:32 AM
Knicks record is 9 by Q Rich... i heard Breen say it during the telecast.

dude, Sergio did not have a good game tonight... let's lay it out like it is... & Eddie House being the focus of the offense completely stalled the offense... no one was moving around doing anything, it was Eddie catching & shooting all night... WTF kinda game plan is that by MDA?

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2/23/2010  10:07 AM
i think last night was evidence of what to expect from Sergio - there is a reason he was buried on another team's bench - it's like some folks think that just b/c the Knicks got this guy he's gonna turn into (what was the reference made the other day....oh yeah...nash lite).

c'mon fellas take off the sunny glasses and see what's what. i cant believe how many posts were made in the last few days already claiming the team had gotten better w the acquisitions and none of the folks that were boasting about these players had a chance to see them in a knicks uniform yet. are we back to reality yet?

btw, tmac in game 2 looks more like what i expect him to look like. also, dont know if anyone else noticed this but he is going back to old form where he gets a pass and tries to score it by himself - tmac has no concept of the team game - he is a black hole. and, to top it all off, he's got knee problems today - AFTER ONLY 2 GAMES.....he may/may not play tonight against the celtics.

and the biggest headshake is on dantoni - i just dont get what dantoni is trying to do - if anything. can someone tell me what his coaching philosophy is? like in any business, if what you've been doing does not work anymore, then you need to change direction and work with whatever assets you have to try to see progress. dantoni looks like he just doesnt give a **** out there. that's plain sad imho.

sergio, tmac, house - all garbage players. hopefully for the knicks they are all rentals and wont be part of any long term plan. are there any optimists out there that have an answer b/c i gotta tell you this team looked worse last night than prior to the trade deadline. and i didnt even think it was possible to look any worse than that. what is it 7 losses in a row now?

yeah the new look knicks are really looking good. SMH

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2/23/2010  10:17 AM
jimimou wrote:i think last night was evidence of what to expect from Sergio - there is a reason he was buried on another team's bench - it's like some folks think that just b/c the Knicks got this guy he's gonna turn into (what was the reference made the other day....oh yeah...nash lite).

c'mon fellas take off the sunny glasses and see what's what. i cant believe how many posts were made in the last few days already claiming the team had gotten better w the acquisitions and none of the folks that were boasting about these players had a chance to see them in a knicks uniform yet. are we back to reality yet?

btw, tmac in game 2 looks more like what i expect him to look like. also, dont know if anyone else noticed this but he is going back to old form where he gets a pass and tries to score it by himself - tmac has no concept of the team game - he is a black hole. and, to top it all off, he's got knee problems today - AFTER ONLY 2 GAMES.....he may/may not play tonight against the celtics.

and the biggest headshake is on dantoni - i just dont get what dantoni is trying to do - if anything. can someone tell me what his coaching philosophy is? like in any business, if what you've been doing does not work anymore, then you need to change direction and work with whatever assets you have to try to see progress. dantoni looks like he just doesnt give a **** out there. that's plain sad imho.

sergio, tmac, house - all garbage players. hopefully for the knicks they are all rentals and wont be part of any long term plan. are there any optimists out there that have an answer b/c i gotta tell you this team looked worse last night than prior to the trade deadline. and i didnt even think it was possible to look any worse than that. what is it 7 losses in a row now?

yeah the new look knicks are really looking good. SMH

Last night was more the result of a lack of a center that could matchup with Bogut and an off night by our perimeter shooters. Sergio is light-years ahead of Duhon in terms of his activity and willingness to put pressure on the opposing team's defense. His shot is off, but it is not like Duhon was shooting better, so Sergio is still an upgrade in my opinion. The problem now is that we lost our defense with Jeffries and Hill gone. SOmeone else will need to stepup on defense.

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2/23/2010  10:28 AM
I just remember the UK obsession with this guy that spanned years. How many trade proposals did I see here that had us giving up David Lee or Wilson Chandler, where Sergio was the main piece coming back?!?!?

The numbers Sergio was putting up at Portland and Sac were completely incongruent with the level of hysteria that was being generated over him. I mean, he could be a diamond in the rough. He might develop, but his career suggests that he is a career backup at best. He probably wont be back next year and that has to be the expectation level.

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2/23/2010  10:40 AM
TheGame wrote:
jimimou wrote:i think last night was evidence of what to expect from Sergio - there is a reason he was buried on another team's bench - it's like some folks think that just b/c the Knicks got this guy he's gonna turn into (what was the reference made the other day....oh yeah...nash lite).

c'mon fellas take off the sunny glasses and see what's what. i cant believe how many posts were made in the last few days already claiming the team had gotten better w the acquisitions and none of the folks that were boasting about these players had a chance to see them in a knicks uniform yet. are we back to reality yet?

btw, tmac in game 2 looks more like what i expect him to look like. also, dont know if anyone else noticed this but he is going back to old form where he gets a pass and tries to score it by himself - tmac has no concept of the team game - he is a black hole. and, to top it all off, he's got knee problems today - AFTER ONLY 2 GAMES.....he may/may not play tonight against the celtics.

and the biggest headshake is on dantoni - i just dont get what dantoni is trying to do - if anything. can someone tell me what his coaching philosophy is? like in any business, if what you've been doing does not work anymore, then you need to change direction and work with whatever assets you have to try to see progress. dantoni looks like he just doesnt give a **** out there. that's plain sad imho.

sergio, tmac, house - all garbage players. hopefully for the knicks they are all rentals and wont be part of any long term plan. are there any optimists out there that have an answer b/c i gotta tell you this team looked worse last night than prior to the trade deadline. and i didnt even think it was possible to look any worse than that. what is it 7 losses in a row now?

yeah the new look knicks are really looking good. SMH

Last night was more the result of a lack of a center that could matchup with Bogut and an off night by our perimeter shooters. Sergio is light-years ahead of Duhon in terms of his activity and willingness to put pressure on the opposing team's defense. His shot is off, but it is not like Duhon was shooting better, so Sergio is still an upgrade in my opinion. The problem now is that we lost our defense with Jeffries and Hill gone. SOmeone else will need to stepup on defense.


or how bout the team is JUST NOT GOOD PERIOD

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