Marv wrote:I have seen all those things from him that people crow about, but I"ve seen them much too infrequently. the rookie game last night was a time when guys were having fun and showing their stuff. Why Couldn"t gallo have let loose and done his thing?

Personally I don't write him off as just an outside shooter because I've seen the rest of his game. My question is when if ever does he stop wasting minutes on the court and impact the action?

i think he's too comfortable letting other guys take the spotlight & defers to them too much... he's a young kid & that should fade as he gains more experience & lets his talent take over... Wilson tended to do this as well during his rookie season & is starting to gain more confidence in his own shotmaking ability now... i think Gallo definitely shows the gumption to be a bigtime shotmaker & that's a positive sign.

tkf wrote:

cosmic, I have known you for a while and the last thing I know you do, is cheer for a player or hype him because he wears a knick jersey.. and ignore playa's stupid ass comments, because he is just a fool, no better than those kids we have to ban on the other site, and why his foolishness is allowed over here is mindboggling.

Anyway, I root for gallo because I think he has the chance to be one of our best draft picks since Ewing... I like the way he approaches the game.. I also like wilson and I have defended wilson many of times. Like you, I just think chandler is much closert to peaking as gallo is just scratching the surface. the funny thing I keep hearing is that posters are saying go outside of the NY fanbase and you would get a different answer.. But I have.. and what I keep hearing is that most feel is that gallo is a high upside kid, while chandler, a good player doesn't have the upside and is pretty close to his ceiling.. And I am being kind here.. some, if not most fans from other teams, think we overvalue chandler and that he really isn't not that good... but I am not going to go there.. while I think that both he and gallo are fine young players, I would like to see both get a chance to distinguish themselves without playing with these fools currently on their team....

Well that's just it on Gallo versus Wilson....and as to some fans always misinterpreting my comments as being some random troll who walked in off the street? I'm used to it. I don't like it but I expect it. Kinda lame. You can't critique your own favorite team's players without somehow stepping on someone's toes.

"OMG WHAT? NO YOU DIDNT. YOU DIDNT JUST CALL JEFFRIES A SCRUB. YOU TROLL! DIE!"

lol....

Pharzeone wrote:man this thread has disintegrated from a reasonable debate to crap.

I agree, and it is easy to see why.. sad but true..

Markji wrote:For all those who think Gallinari only shoots 3's. He drives by the entire Pacers team.

Hibbert is a stiff and I'm glad Gallo yammed it in his grill. Hibbert makes Lopez look like Olajuwon.

Cosmic wrote:

holfresh wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

holfresh wrote:Somehow posters has made the assessment that Wilson Chandler has peaked as a player

While I think Gallo has more value than Chandler, I don't understand this belief either. Young, athletic players like Chandler are usually thought to have some potential

Why is it always one or the other to the point where one has to be traded?...Are the Knicks that good of a ball club we can throwout potential???...It was the same thing with Frye and Lee...

I think you're missing the spirit of the thread. It's not asking you to decide between the players it's asking you which player has the higher potential.

The answer to that is Gallinari.

holfresh wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

holfresh wrote:

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...

So now I'm ignorant and you're a bigger man for not attacking me but you call me names anyway.

Just perfect and contradictory.

I'm sorry but I don't see this superstar you guys see in Wilson Chandler. He's had some nice games and some nice stretches but overall he is a mediocre player with a low ceiling.

Again, I'm sorry I don't take the approach of "He's wearing a Knick jersey he's a superstar!" approach to how I view my favorite team.

Why this rubs some folks in such a wrong way I'll never understand.

I remember saying Roberson sucked when we signed him and a couple of you crapped on me citing how he was so deadly from downtown in a practice none of us ever saw.

But, well, that's just how things go, so be it, but I will still give my opinion on players.

And my opinion is that Wilson Chandler is overrated by many and generally a mediocre player who puts up some nice stretches of ball and some horrid stretches of ball and is not worthy of any thoughts that he will be a star some day.

My opinion is also that in a viewpoint of player potential that Gallinari well outshines Wilson Chandler in that department.

So sue me.

Whats names am I calling u?...I crapped over u for saying Roberson sucked????...Never happened!!!!

When you called me ignorant and stated I don't watch games.

Both are untrue. I'm, not a hoops guru but I know what I am seeing out there. I also take hours of my time recording and cutting games and uploading them for fellow Knick fans who can't see them. I don't know of any ignorant hating trolls who don't watch the games who do such a thing.

So you're off base with me is all.

None of us know what we are seeing in terms of player potential, we are fans...Heck, the experts get it wrong, otherwise Dumars would have grabbed Melo at the 2nd slot..

I could be wrong and it won't be the first time....But I think what DJ is getting at is the general theme of this board...The theme that Gallo is untouchable and Will Chan isn't...The question isn't who has more potential..The question is why is one guy considered untouchable and the other guy isn't...It's a good question given Chandler is playing better at the moment, outside of DLee, he has improved his game the most on the team thus far and he's 22 years old...

Why would anyone go out on a limb to say a player has peaked after two and a half seasons in the league...Ur inviting ridicule...It took Michael and Magic about three to four years to knock down their jumpers consistently...I think Magic improved his FT percentage every year..I think..Will Chan is 22 years old in his third year and still learning...

CrushAlot wrote:Chandler as a third year player is averaging 15 and 5. He is just 22 yrs. old and doesn't play with a real point guard. I am not sure why anyone would suggest he has peaked. He also has no health concerns and is a hard worker.

5 rebounds while playing at the 2 spot. He is tied with Kobe for 2nd among guards behind Reezy. Yet I hear he isn't rebounding enough. I guess he has to run from the top of the key and help more in the post. smh. When he was allowed to play his position he got double rebounds on those occasions. When Lee couldn't get it done against Horford and had to see the bench, Chandler pulled down 17 against them and oh yeah still managed to get blocks and chew gum. It's just funny.

Cosmic wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Chandler as a third year player is averaging 15 and 5. He is just 22 yrs. old and doesn't play with a real point guard. I am not sure why anyone would suggest he has peaked. He also has no health concerns and is a hard worker.

I explained why I feel this way and I bet others that aren't all that high on Chandler feel somewhat the same.

*He hasn't significantly improved in anything he does. (Gallo assist numbers are down, while we are going gaga on his blocks, for his height and position they are poor, rebounding the same)
*He hasn't added any new dynamic to his game since the first day we saw him. (Gallo is a 3 pointer and sparingly drives. Dunks are rare when made a frenzy is created)
*He's not bright. (Same here for Gallo for me, running to the 3 point line to me doesn't seem to spell High BB IQ, unforced turnovers when dribbling going nowhere)
*Being young doesn't automatically translate to infinite improvement as you age. (Yup)

Chandler will become a better player with time due to experience but not due to some previously unforeseen skill being developed. (Same here for me for Gallo)

What you see is pretty much what you are going to get. It's not bad but it's not this HOF bound multiple All-Star franchise cornerstone to be that some seem to think they see in the guy. (6'10 players who don't get into post are definitely not bound for HOF, they maybe a 6th man of the Year though, shout out to Hedo).