In this episode I didn't like how the whole thing in the SUB went down. First of all, what was with the sissy pushing of MIB into the water? What was that supposed to do? What was Sawyer talking about when he told Jack to do that?

Also, with 5 minutes to spare why not move the bomb to another part of the sub in the first place, it is a sub after all, with many steel doors that could've insulated instead of waiting for Sayid to play hero as well as martyr himself? Then... why does Sun happily accept that her child will grow up without a father instead of making Jin leave her to die. Jin and Sayid only died because the writers had to use for them anymore. Just like Ilana. It makes me wonder what roles Ben and Richard and Miles are left to play... or will they be similarly 'handled'.

kam77 wrote:I didn't like previous episodes where the writers kill people to write them off the show. Like the whole Ilana thing. That was done clumsily. Characters seem to die because the writers just don't know what to do with them. This whole season seems like it has been set up to kill everyone on the island, leaving Jack and Sawyer to take up the roles of newJacob and newMIB.

In this episode I didn't like how the whole thing in the SUB went down. First of all, what was with the sissy pushing of MIB into the water? What was that supposed to do? What was Sawyer talking about when he told Jack to do that?

Also, with 5 minutes to spare why not move the bomb to another part of the sub in the first place, it is a sub after all, with many steel doors that could've insulated instead of waiting for Sayid to play hero as well as martyr himself? Then... why does Sun happily accept that her child will grow up without a father instead of making Jin leave her to die. Jin and Sayid only died because the writers had to use for them anymore. Just like Ilana. It makes me wonder what roles Ben and Richard and Miles are left to play... or will they be similarly 'handled'.

i think you have to take some stuff as just creative license. smokey told sawyer that he can't go over water, that's why he asked him to take him to hydra island in a boat a few episodes ago...that's why he told jack to push him in. but obviously, like everything else smokey said is a lie.

not bringing up the kid with jin and sun was a big no no...but i don't think sun really cared about the kid anyway as she easily abandoned her with her mom knowing full well that she could be going on a suicide mission. but all our losties have parental issues...and now ji yeon will have one as well (so will aaron).

jin and sayid died b/c their stories dictated they die. i don't think you can just dismiss them as "no use for them anymore" ... it's a story. a story in which they die. sayid was a zombie and in a final instinctual good deed, he sacrificed himself to save others. after all the killing he did, it was probably the only fitting "redemption" he could have.

and they set up already that jin would never leave sun again and he didn't. so they died together.

it's not about "no use" but the culmination of their story arcs. now, there has been some sloppy writing but overall i think they are still telling the story they planned out for years.

as for moving the bomb...kind of tough to think in a situation like that. they just got out of a gunfight, probably don't know how a sub works, and there's a ticking bomb. but jack figured it out and told sawyer not to do anything. he probably was right since it doesn't look like smokey can kill them first hand. but the minute sawyer pulled the wires, he dictated their fate. would you know what to do with a bomb on a sub with 5 mins to go off?

ultimately, we are seeing an iteration of a story that's been going on for a long long time. this might be the final iteration tho since jacob was killed. alot of character development for the first 3-4 years b/c that's the only way to keep a sustained high viewership. they kept enough mystery in the background to keep everyone hooked but once they introduced jacob + smokey, all character stuff got kicked to the curb as the mystery and the island came to the forefront. so i can understand why people like ilana got killed off so quickly or why some of the characters are basically in the background now.

cool to see that the smoke monster was just using jacob's brother body the same way he used christians and is now using locke's. i'm still really curious to see what it is, how it got there, and why it wants to leave.

jazz74 wrote:not a good episode last night, the worst one in awhile. instead of giving answers, there are more questions. not good.

i was dissapointed.

well, the finale did what it was set out to do. i made an impression. i was thinking about it for awhile, piecing everything together, particularly the "sideways" flash. though some may think the final result is "underwhelming" and I may not argue with that, it was appropriate. the ironic thing was that many people thought in the first season that the island itself was "purgatory" and they sort of delivered with this flash. the great emotional moment is when jack and kate finally kissed since it was the first in a few seasons, thinking about the up and down part of their relationship. the one question i have is in this place of "consciousness", are the other people just a manifestation of their imagination? particularly jack's son? that is why locke told jack he doesnt have a son? also, characters like miles and ana lucia, will they have the opportunity to "let go"? it was great that hurley became the guardian and appropriate as well as jack's death ( i warned you about the spoiler). i like bernard and rose but every finale they use them as a plot device which i dont like. but they deserve happiness nonetheless. all in all i am very happy with the finale but upset that its over as well as flashforward. not many shows i will watch next year.

djsunyc wrote:i thought the finale was a really good one.

i know alot of folks might be upset we didn't get alot of mythological answers about the island but i walked away from it satisfied.

we are just seeing one iteration of the island story. and i still think the island is around.

some discussion that the island life itself was a dream/vision but i think the island is real and everything that happened on it was real. the whole flash sideways was the "afterlife" in where all our characters came up with their own situations to deal with death (i.e. jack has a son to fix the relationship between himself and his father, and the island is destroyed underwater b/c our losties wanted it that way). it was very mulholland drive. and i think b/c they prevented the "evil" from leaving the island, they were all rewarded in their sideways world with happy endings.

and it looks like folks like kate, hurley and ben were around for many years after jack considering kate said she was waiting for him for a long time...and hurley and ben exchanged the #1 and #2 kudos.

also noticed all the religious symbols at the end so that what that "church" was and where they were going were all left up to our interpretation.

the garden of eden, atlantis, and all other "mythological" places are supposedly where things happened...and many of it, magical things. how they happened could not be explained, they were just accepted. and that's what the island is...a magical place where special things happened. and like pushing the button to save the world, keeping the light in the cave represented a faith that our losties believed in. so if you take it in that way, you can walk away satisfied.

yes, alot of the mysteries throughout the course of the series ended up really having no technical meaning persay...but that's ok. this show had to sustain itself for a bunch of years and they were able to tap into the internet as a major way to keep it going. if this show existed 15 years ago, it would've been canceled within 3 seasons b/c it would not have been able to keep up interest.

best serialized drama ever on television and will leave a pretty big hole in my life in terms of checking forums and theorizing. and it will be a long time, if ever, that this type of following will be matched.

absolutely agree with that last thought DJ. i have spent a ridiculous amount of time in my life over the past 6 years thinking of theories and talking with friends about our ideas. it's really pretty sad.

i'm satisfied with the finale. i'm satisified with the way the characters stories all closing and im pretty satisfied with the island story closing. i kinda wish we got a little more, but that's ok, it doesn't bother me. i'm just still bummed that the show is over and i honestly say there is absolutely nothing on tv that will come close to filling that gap for me. fringe is about the only thing that can come close and really, its not even in the same stratosphere.

OasisBU wrote:I thought the ending was excellent. I have never watched a show that got you so emotionally involved in the characters. Lost was one of the greatest shows ever and I am proud to say I watched every single episode from day 1.

i'm watching this finale last night and there were 3 instances where i had a lump in my throat and my left eye started to tear up. it was nuts. i had to punch myself in the face a few times.

this was an OK episode but definitely a crappy sseason.

but what if you look at it this way...alot of the show's appeal has been all the theories created by fans all over the web. maybe they didn't answer everything b/c they wanted the theories to continue and to not say whether one was right and the other was wrong. they grabbed alot of stuff from alot of religions (and alot of them were physically depicted in that final scene with jack's dad) so maybe they are saying everyone's interpretation or guesses are right?

djsunyc wrote:that sucks you didn't like it.

but what if you look at it this way...alot of the show's appeal has been all the theories created by fans all over the web. maybe they didn't answer everything b/c they wanted the theories to continue and to not say whether one was right and the other was wrong. they grabbed alot of stuff from alot of religions (and alot of them were physically depicted in that final scene with jack's dad) so maybe they are saying everyone's interpretation or guesses are right?

i'm glad that some people enjoyed it. i enjoyed it for all the wrong reasons. when desmond pulled that cork out of the hole, i was dying.

absolutely nothing that happened on this show had any significance at all in any way in the end. we really have no idea of the consequences of anything that happened. instead of giving us the results of all the action, they fast forwarded to some afterlife waiting room where everyone is happy. as if the only thing that matters is that everyone is happy in the end.

nothing mattered. this was just a new twist on the "it was all a dream" newhart style ending.