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orangeblobman
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12/27/2009  11:47 PM
Gallo is shooting a lot of threes because:

1. He is sick nasty shooter!
2. He is young and coming off surgery, still getting his strength back (both mental and physical)
3. He is getting adjusted to driving hard to the hole
4. He is setting up his outside game so that he can get closer as he gets comfortable
5. He plays with a bunch of knuckleheads.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/27/2009  11:49 PM
i think Gallo is forced to take at least 2-3 3 point shots every game due to guys getting him the ball w/zero time left on the clock & he's forced to launch up a shot before time expires... it happened at least twice in tonight's game as well... get a PG who can distribute the ball to someone other than David Lee to run this offense & Gallo's shot selection will "miraculously" seem better to the jaundiced eye.
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12/27/2009  11:53 PM
Mck1 diverisifying your game is part of development, no?
I just hope that people will like me
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12/27/2009  11:53 PM
Mck1 diverisifying your game is part of development, no?
I just hope that people will like me
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12/28/2009  12:00 AM
TMS wrote:i think Gallo is forced to take at least 2-3 3 point shots every game due to guys getting him the ball w/zero time left on the clock & he's forced to launch up a shot before time expires... it happened at least twice in tonight's game as well... get a PG who can distribute the ball to someone other than David Lee to run this offense & Gallo's shot selection will "miraculously" seem better to the jaundiced eye.

his shot selection was great tonight. the less time he spends standing around the 3 line the better he looks out there.

like tkf pointed out: that set up to jj was a thing of beauty.

more of that is what this team needs to balance out everything duhon is not.

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12/28/2009  12:03 AM
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Gallo is forced to take at least 2-3 3 point shots every game due to guys getting him the ball w/zero time left on the clock & he's forced to launch up a shot before time expires... it happened at least twice in tonight's game as well... get a PG who can distribute the ball to someone other than David Lee to run this offense & Gallo's shot selection will "miraculously" seem better to the jaundiced eye.

his shot selection was great tonight. the less time he spends standing around the 3 line the better he looks out there.

like tkf pointed out: that set up to jj was a thing of beauty.

more of that is what this team needs to balance out everything duhon is not.

please, i've seen David Lee make some nifty fancy passes too & he's an excellent passer for a bigman, do u wanna see him orchestrating anytime soon? Gallo is gonna turn the ball over if he's relied upon to be the main orchestrator... being as tall as he is & w/his high dribble, guys will be able to collapse on him if they know he's gonna be the main guy handling the rock & get steals... he can take his man off the dribble & get to the hole, yes, but that's never going to be his forte... he's a shooter first & foremost... having other guys create for him is the ideal way to use him... the problem is Duhon only knows how to pass to D Lee & Hughes had an off night tonight.

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12/28/2009  12:07 AM
I guess diversification and improved shot selection is not part of development. It's just something that one day you decide to get better at?
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12/28/2009  12:36 AM
Bippity10 wrote:I guess diversification and improved shot selection is not part of development. It's just something that one day you decide to get better at?

is the NBA like a video game where once you reach 10000 exp pts you learn a new skill?

Gallo had to reach the 30-40 games played mark before he realizes shooting 11, 15, 16 threes may not be the most efficient use of his talent?

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12/28/2009  12:46 AM
TMS wrote:

please, i've seen David Lee make some nifty fancy passes too & he's an excellent passer for a bigman, do u wanna see him orchestrating anytime soon?

In a word YES!!!! I trust Lee's decision making 10000 x's more than Duhon's or any other guard in the rotation.

TMS wrote:

Gallo is gonna turn the ball over if he's relied upon to be the main orchestrator... being as tall as he is & w/his high dribble, guys will be able to collapse on him if they know he's gonna be the main guy handling the rock & get steals... he can take his man off the dribble & get to the hole, yes, but that's never going to be his forte... he's a shooter first & foremost...

I disagree with all this. He uses his boy to shield against smaller guys very well. He is a smart enough ball-handler to protect against the trap and at 6'10 he can pass over the top of most defenders.

Being called on as a play-maker doesn't negate his ability to shoot, it allos the other parts of his game to blossom. As long as the ball moves and he moves it will find him again for the shot.

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12/28/2009  12:57 AM
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:

please, i've seen David Lee make some nifty fancy passes too & he's an excellent passer for a bigman, do u wanna see him orchestrating anytime soon?

In a word YES!!!! I trust Lee's decision making 10000 x's more than Duhon's or any other guard in the rotation.

TMS wrote:

Gallo is gonna turn the ball over if he's relied upon to be the main orchestrator... being as tall as he is & w/his high dribble, guys will be able to collapse on him if they know he's gonna be the main guy handling the rock & get steals... he can take his man off the dribble & get to the hole, yes, but that's never going to be his forte... he's a shooter first & foremost...

I disagree with all this. He uses his boy to shield against smaller guys very well. He is a smart enough ball-handler to protect against the trap and at 6'10 he can pass over the top of most defenders.

Being called on as a play-maker doesn't negate his ability to shoot, it allos the other parts of his game to blossom. As long as the ball moves and he moves it will find him again for the shot.

Duhon is 7th in the NBA in assist-to-turnover ratio at 3.33... Hughes is 35th in the NBA with a 2.15 ratio... David Lee doesn't even make the top 50 list at 1.14 & you want him orchestrating the offense... come on, lay down the pipe... Gallo's isn't much better at 1.2 this season.

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12/28/2009  1:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  1:48 AM
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:

please, i've seen David Lee make some nifty fancy passes too & he's an excellent passer for a bigman, do u wanna see him orchestrating anytime soon?

In a word YES!!!! I trust Lee's decision making 10000 x's more than Duhon's or any other guard in the rotation.

TMS wrote:

Gallo is gonna turn the ball over if he's relied upon to be the main orchestrator... being as tall as he is & w/his high dribble, guys will be able to collapse on him if they know he's gonna be the main guy handling the rock & get steals... he can take his man off the dribble & get to the hole, yes, but that's never going to be his forte... he's a shooter first & foremost...

I disagree with all this. He uses his boy to shield against smaller guys very well. He is a smart enough ball-handler to protect against the trap and at 6'10 he can pass over the top of most defenders.

Being called on as a play-maker doesn't negate his ability to shoot, it allos the other parts of his game to blossom. As long as the ball moves and he moves it will find him again for the shot.

Duhon is 7th in the NBA in assist-to-turnover ratio at 3.33... Hughes is 35th in the NBA with a 2.15 ratio... David Lee doesn't even make the top 50 list at 1.14 & you want him orchestrating the offense... come on, lay down the pipe... Gallo's isn't much better at 1.2 this season.

passing to david lee, Duhon's assist to turnover ratio should be high. He catches everything and finishes with the best. Hughes hasn't been turning it over but he hasn't been setting guys up for great looks either. If Hughes jumper isn't going, he isn't having an impact on most games offensively.

as for lee and gallo's a-t-o, how often in this offense are they asked to set others up? To keep Duhon involved in the action Lee has to screen roll and Gallo has spent the first 20 plus games jacking up 3's.

is not running many plays outside of duhon pick n roll and harrington posts or iso's. However, Gallo and Lee have shown in the tiny windows they've been given the opportunity they can be conduits. Whenever gets called to task for stealing money, maybe we'll see more diversity in the sets.

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12/28/2009  1:50 AM
However, Gallo and Lee have shown in the tiny windows they've been given the opportunity they can be conduits.

ic... so small sample sizes apply when it comes to Gallo & D Lee, but not when we're talking about you know who.

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12/28/2009  2:35 AM
Lee makes a lot of dumb lazy passes. He also makes some great passes, too. I would say he has good vision, but he is not that good at delivering it. Either way, would not want to run the offense through him. Galo is not ready for such responsibility. Let him get comfortable with being the number one scoring option on the wing and passing out of the double team at least before you ask him to run the team.
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12/28/2009  3:31 AM
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:

please, i've seen David Lee make some nifty fancy passes too & he's an excellent passer for a bigman, do u wanna see him orchestrating anytime soon?

In a word YES!!!! I trust Lee's decision making 10000 x's more than Duhon's or any other guard in the rotation.

TMS wrote:

Gallo is gonna turn the ball over if he's relied upon to be the main orchestrator... being as tall as he is & w/his high dribble, guys will be able to collapse on him if they know he's gonna be the main guy handling the rock & get steals... he can take his man off the dribble & get to the hole, yes, but that's never going to be his forte... he's a shooter first & foremost...

I disagree with all this. He uses his boy to shield against smaller guys very well. He is a smart enough ball-handler to protect against the trap and at 6'10 he can pass over the top of most defenders.

Being called on as a play-maker doesn't negate his ability to shoot, it allos the other parts of his game to blossom. As long as the ball moves and he moves it will find him again for the shot.

Duhon is 7th in the NBA in assist-to-turnover ratio at 3.33... Hughes is 35th in the NBA with a 2.15 ratio... David Lee doesn't even make the top 50 list at 1.14 & you want him orchestrating the offense... come on, lay down the pipe... Gallo's isn't much better at 1.2 this season.


over 60% of duhon's assist goes to lee. He is limited when it comes to creating outside of the pick and roll.. when teams shut that down, duhon doesn't know how to create any other shots, not for himself or for others.... I am not saying completely take the ball out of duhon's hands, but diversify the offense more because duhon is not good enough to run this offense effectively, at least not the way we need it, and not the way dantoni, really wants to play.... lee and gallo are more than capable of handling the ball more.. for me, gallo moreso than lee..

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12/28/2009  10:11 AM
Rose- 17 pts. 3 rbs. 6 ast. as the unquestioned #1 in Chi.

Beasley-15 pts. 6 rbs. 2 ast. as the #2 in Miami. (Wade)

Mayo- 17 pts. 4 rbs. 3 ast. as a 1a/1b scoring option in Mem. (Gay)

Westbrook-16 pts, 5, rbs, 7 ast. as the #2/#3 in OKC. (Durant, Green)

Love- 15 pts. 13 rbs. 2 ast. as the #2/#3 in Min. (Jefferson, Flynn)

Gallo- 14 pts, 5 rbs. 2 ast. 1 blks. as a #2/#3 scoring option behind Al, Lee(with Duhon off the P&R).

Gordon- 17 pts. 3 rbs. 3 ast. as a #2 scoring option in LAC. (Baron)

Alexander and Augustine are not worth mentioning.

Lopez- 19 pts. 9 rbs. 2 ast. 2 blks as the #2 in NJ.(Harris)

Bayless not worth mentioning at this point.

Thompson- 15 pts. 9 rbs. 2 ast. 1 blk as a #2/#3 in Sac. (Evans, Hawes).

Rush not worth mentioning.

Randolph- 11 pts. 6 rbs. 1 ast. 1.5 blks. as a spot player in GS.

The other Lopez not worth mentioning.

Speights- 13 pts. 6 rbs. as a role player in Philly.


looks to me Gallo measures up to ANYONE in that draft and he took a season off because of his back. Factor in percentages and he measures up to the top of the list, IMO.

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12/28/2009  12:15 PM
Joe, Chris duhon couldn't crack anybody's starting lineup so he partied all the time in chicago.

He comes and plays for danphoney and his numbers are sky high.

Put those players mentioned in this offense and watch the numbers they put up! Cmon man rec ball inflates players even in the worst teams .

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12/28/2009  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  1:27 PM
playa2 wrote:Joe, Chris duhon couldn't crack anybody's starting lineup so he partied all the time in chicago.

He comes and plays for danphoney and his numbers are sky high.

Put those players mentioned in this offense and watch the numbers they put up! Cmon man rec ball inflates players even in the worst teams .

Chris Duhon:

2009- 9 pts, 3 rbs, 6 ast in 35 mins per.
2008-11 pts, 3 rbs, 7 ast in 37 mins per.

2007- 6 pts, 2 rbs, 4 ast in 23 mins per.
2006- 7 pts, 2 rbs, 4 ast in 25 mins per.
2005- 9 pts, 3 rbs, 5 ast in 29 mins per.

Exactly where are Chris Duhon's numbers "sky high"? Other than him getting anywhere from 8-15 mins more per game on any given season his numbers are alarmingly consistent.

As a matter of fact, I would argue that another player's numbers prove your point more:

2005- 5 pts, 4 rbs, .5 ast.- 17 mins per
2006- 10 pts, 10 rbs, 2 ast. - 30 mins per
2007- 10 pts, 9 rbs, 1 ast. - 29mins per

---------------------------------D'Antoni Line

2008- 16 pts, 12 rbs, 2 ast. -35 mins per
2009- 18 pts, 11 rbs, 3 ast. -36 mins per.

...David Lee.

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12/28/2009  1:41 PM
joec32033 wrote:Rose- 17 pts. 3 rbs. 6 ast. as the unquestioned #1 in Chi.

Beasley-15 pts. 6 rbs. 2 ast. as the #2 in Miami. (Wade)

Mayo- 17 pts. 4 rbs. 3 ast. as a 1a/1b scoring option in Mem. (Gay)

Westbrook-16 pts, 5, rbs, 7 ast. as the #2/#3 in OKC. (Durant, Green)

Love- 15 pts. 13 rbs. 2 ast. as the #2/#3 in Min. (Jefferson, Flynn)

Gallo- 14 pts, 5 rbs. 2 ast. 1 blks. as a #2/#3 scoring option behind Al, Lee(with Duhon off the P&R).

Gordon- 17 pts. 3 rbs. 3 ast. as a #2 scoring option in LAC. (Baron)

Alexander and Augustine are not worth mentioning.

Lopez- 19 pts. 9 rbs. 2 ast. 2 blks as the #2 in NJ.(Harris)

Bayless not worth mentioning at this point.

Thompson- 15 pts. 9 rbs. 2 ast. 1 blk as a #2/#3 in Sac. (Evans, Hawes).

Rush not worth mentioning.

Randolph- 11 pts. 6 rbs. 1 ast. 1.5 blks. as a spot player in GS.

The other Lopez not worth mentioning.

Speights- 13 pts. 6 rbs. as a role player in Philly.


looks to me Gallo measures up to ANYONE in that draft and he took a season off because of his back. Factor in percentages and he measures up to the top of the list, IMO.

And this is something even the strongest Gallo supporter could not have said after last year's season.

I also look at the fact that Gallinari is still 1 or 2 years away from his athletic peak as far as his physical maturity and the added muscle he will gain from a off season of serious training where he is not just rehabbing his back.

Gallinari has a lot more developing to do physically and as a player, but he is showing that he is capable of growing as a ballplayer, and I don't see why this evolution won't continue to the point where he is as good or better than anyone in his draft.

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12/28/2009  1:45 PM
I say Lopez goes 2nd in this draft. Westbrook is a great slasher with no jump shot. Those guys are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Skilled big men are not.

I've watched a few Heat games and have yet to see an "oh ****" moment from Beasley. The jury is still out but I don't see anything special in him at all.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/28/2009  2:11 PM
Kevin Love or Brook Lopez, who's the better looking bigman prospect?
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