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BasketballJones
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Should Donnnie (Sleepy) Walsh sign Allen Iverson?
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TMS
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11/17/2009  3:55 PM
btw, AI's agent is Leon Rose, who also represents LeBron James.
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11/17/2009  4:07 PM
We don't have a draft pick. Our team stinks worse than we ever thought. We most likely don't have any superstars of the future to develop who can have their progress hampered.

What is the point in not signing him then? He can show the young guys what it is to go ALL OUT. He can POSSIBLY make us better, but we certainly can't get worse. And God knows we have to get better if we want free agents to even wink at us.

Bring him in. It's only for a season that's already burried if we stick with what we got.

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11/17/2009  5:12 PM
We talkin bout practice

Sign Iverson

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11/17/2009  5:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  5:17 PM
To speak on behalf of most of the people in support of bringing AI in.

We don't see this move as hurting our long-term growth or stunting the development of our young players at all. It is not that we are impatient and can't accept rebuilding, but that we realize we don't have our own first round pick this year and bringing a guy like AI can improve our short term while doing nothing to hurt us long-term.

The guy is not a cancer. He just believes that he is still good enough to be a starter in this league and he is correct. For a lot of teams, he wouldn't be a good fit because he is most effective when asked to be the leading scorer or the go to guy. On our team, he would fit in perfectly because that is what we need right now. We could instantly plug him into our starting lineup and feature him as our main weapon. AI is still capable of scoring 25 ppg in our system and more importantly, he would make us more competitive this season. Do I believe AI is a good fit for us long-term? Hell no. But why not make our team better this season and more attractive to the 2010 free agent class?

Some of you say that bringing in AI will only bring malcontent to the locker room. I say NOT bringing in AI can do worse damage. I've seen every game so far this season and have been there for a bunch of them. After losing some heart breakers, this team has lost a lot of confidence. They need something good to happen before they quit altogether and stop caring about winning (hasn't fully happened yet but you can already see some signs of it). I don't care what you say, it is never a good thing to win less than 20 games, especially when you don't have your own pick. When you lose that many games, which is where we are heading right now, it can have a negative effect on your young guys and it can certainly give free agents a bad vibe about your franchise.

Walsh has said repeatedly he wants this team to be competitive this year and will do whatever he can to do that without compromising his 2010 cap space. If he doesn't sign AI, he will be going against his own words.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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11/17/2009  5:30 PM
I voted no.

If we signed him it would make things more interesting and it could work out.

But I think it's more likely that AI adds to the coaches woes. AI at his best was a player who undermined the team discipline but you put up with it because he was so talented. Now his talent is decreased and his attitude is just as bad. This team is already full of one and done guys who know they have no future here. If they care at all about this year they're only interest in padding stats not helping the team win. AI will just add to the problems.

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11/17/2009  5:32 PM
There you go. All the old people are against it. and old people = wisdom. OldFan couldn't have said it better, that's all you gotta know. That's it.
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11/17/2009  5:46 PM
I think it would be kind of exciting but I think it would be a nightmare for D'Antoni and would end badly. I think Walsh will recognize who his coach is and not make the move.
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11/17/2009  6:26 PM
I just don't like the odds. They're so heavily slanted towards this ending badly that it's not even funny. How has any other deal like this ended for the Knicks? No matter whether it's old coaches, players past their primes that already have issues or whatever, these things have a way of turning sour in NY. I don't know if its the spotlight of the big city or what, but these sort of moves always backfire for us. MDA has enough issues to deal with without adding a MAJOR one already known to be a problem. WE JUST SAW IT WITH HIS CURRENT TEAM!!! The last TWO TEAMS before this one!!!

I would love to collectively slap the sense back into this board.

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11/17/2009  7:16 PM
Barbara Barker, of Newsday, said it best:

"The only possible good that I could see from signing Iverson is that his presence might put some fans in the seats this year. It wouldn’t convince me to buy a ticket, because I find the whole specter of a once great player playing for once great franchise even more depressing than a 1-9 start."
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11/17/2009  7:17 PM
Papabear Says

What difference does it make. We are 1 and 9 and we stink. Not one person on this team would be a starter for a high playoff team. Only 3 players thats on this roster now will be back next season.The others will be traded if someone is crazy enough to take them and some might be brought out. Give the team to Iverson. Hell this team is already damaged goods. Iverson will be a breath of fresh air. With Iverson and Curry starting we just might see something.

It was Nash all the while and we thought that it was D'Antoni. You can't put a team on the floor and think that they would play like Nash and his team. D'Antoni is maybe not what we thought he was. So far he has no clue on how to coach this time.

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11/17/2009  7:20 PM
nixluva wrote:I just don't like the odds. They're so heavily slanted towards this ending badly that it's not even funny. How has any other deal like this ended for the Knicks? No matter whether it's old coaches, players past their primes that already have issues or whatever, these things have a way of turning sour in NY. I don't know if its the spotlight of the big city or what, but these sort of moves always backfire for us. MDA has enough issues to deal with without adding a MAJOR one already known to be a problem. WE JUST SAW IT WITH HIS CURRENT TEAM!!! The last TWO TEAMS before this one!!!

I would love to collectively slap the sense back into this board.

Papabear Says

What do we have to loose? This team is already messed up.

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11/17/2009  7:27 PM
Papabear Says

During the Knicks games I read these posts saying this on stink that one stink and you are not going to watch any more games. Now you are saying Iverson will mess up this team or he will mess up the young players. If these young players are influenced by Iverson, they don't need to be in the NBA.

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11/17/2009  7:57 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

What difference does it make. We are 1 and 9 and we stink. Not one person on this team would be a starter for a high playoff team. Only 3 players thats on this roster now will be back next season.The others will be traded if someone is crazy enough to take them and some might be brought out. Give the team to Iverson. Hell this team is already damaged goods. Iverson will be a breath of fresh air. With Iverson and Curry starting we just might see something.

It was Nash all the while and we thought that it was D'Antoni. You can't put a team on the floor and think that they would play like Nash and his team. D'Antoni is maybe not what we thought he was. So far he has no clue on how to coach this time.

This is really wrong, cuz Nash wasn't the only thing about MDA's teams that played better and it wasn't just about Nash. Diaw and Bell improved a great deal under MDA. The things is that Nash was never as good before MDA and what he taught him and Nash openly admits how much MDA helped him and improved his game. So while it's true that you need a player of great intellect and skill, that would be the case for any coach. No coach wins games without good players, so let's not get crazy.

This team is failing to play up to it's potential and I don't know what kind of coaching can really solve a messed up head like Duhon and Chan. Players sometimes go thru this kind of thing and surely MDA didn't do anything but work to boost all of his players confidence, so it's really on the individual players IMO. MDA was always able to get his players to play hard and play like a team, so one 10 period where the team doesn't do that doesn't mean he's somehow lost it or doesn't know what to do. Heck I think he's probably tried just about everything, but you can't just abandon a player cuz he's having a rough patch, especially when it's only 10 games.

To me AI doesn't solve the problems, he may just mask some of them.

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11/17/2009  8:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

What difference does it make. We are 1 and 9 and we stink. Not one person on this team would be a starter for a high playoff team. Only 3 players thats on this roster now will be back next season.The others will be traded if someone is crazy enough to take them and some might be brought out. Give the team to Iverson. Hell this team is already damaged goods. Iverson will be a breath of fresh air. With Iverson and Curry starting we just might see something.

It was Nash all the while and we thought that it was D'Antoni. You can't put a team on the floor and think that they would play like Nash and his team. D'Antoni is maybe not what we thought he was. So far he has no clue on how to coach this time.

This is really wrong, cuz Nash wasn't the only thing about MDA's teams that played better and it wasn't just about Nash. Diaw and Bell improved a great deal under MDA. The things is that Nash was never as good before MDA and what he taught him and Nash openly admits how much MDA helped him and improved his game. So while it's true that you need a player of great intellect and skill, that would be the case for any coach. No coach wins games without good players, so let's not get crazy.

This team is failing to play up to it's potential and I don't know what kind of coaching can really solve a messed up head like Duhon and Chan. Players sometimes go thru this kind of thing and surely MDA didn't do anything but work to boost all of his players confidence, so it's really on the individual players IMO. MDA was always able to get his players to play hard and play like a team, so one 10 period where the team doesn't do that doesn't mean he's somehow lost it or doesn't know what to do. Heck I think he's probably tried just about everything, but you can't just abandon a player cuz he's having a rough patch, especially when it's only 10 games.

To me AI doesn't solve the problems, he may just mask some of them.

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11/17/2009  10:29 PM
MS wrote:Walsh isn't getting blamed for anything if we sign AI. This team ****ing sucks! 1-9 and we have played the Bobcats, Pacers, Charlotte, Bucks and a number of ****ty teams. We have little to no talent and a small window to look respectable.

The problem with losing is simple it becomes a part of you. That's why this team stinks they expect to lose. Everyone on this team. What is Iverson going to destroy? We don't play defense and we can't score. He doesn't expect to lose he is a winner however crazy he maybe.

Sign the guy. You're not moving Jefferies Donnie because you ****ing blew that already. So bring in a guy that can help win a few games. The memphis thing didn't work. So what I'm not coming off the bench for Mike Conely either on a lottery team. I will take this guy for the rest of the year and then he can retire.

LOL, You couldn't have said it better.

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11/17/2009  11:09 PM
Would you guys rather have A.I. or Monta Ellis?
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11/17/2009  11:27 PM
Q: What won't you tolerate on and off the court?

A: Selfishness. That drives me crazy.

Q: How about off the court?

A: Selfishness. Because most players are who they are on and off the court. You do have some variance, but if you're a good guy off the court, you're usually a good guy on the court. In this business, we do have to put up with it to a certain degree, but if I can extinguish it or eliminate it, I would.


AI? AI? AI?--you gotta be kidding me, AI? -----uggggh

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11/18/2009  2:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2009  2:43 AM
AI is warrior--how many warriors do we have on our team? It is ludicrous that someone says he will stunt anyone's growth or that Gallinari should shoot 35 times--that is as stupid as it gets. Duhon IS TERRIBLE--he is the number 1 reason we sck. You can just accept to sck--even in rebuilding--it's not like we need to lose for lottery position. Nate has NOT played well either

My thinking when Curry is ready 9 man rotation.

PG AI
SG TD
F Gallinari
F Lee
C Jefferies[until Curry comes back]
6n Harrington
7 Hughes
8 Hill[more minutes]
9 Nate

NO MORE Lee at C--he has to be moved to PF to concentrate on rebounding and to play a bigger/longer guy at 5--play Jefferies Curry Darko and Hill at C.

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11/18/2009  6:09 AM
Briggs,
Having a warrior when he was a top ten ten talent in the league may have made up for him not practicing, averaging 22 shots per game and having to have an offense that was built around him. But I don't think it works when the player is old, his skills have declined and he will not be part of the future.

The argument may be "questionable" but is isn't ludicrous.

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11/18/2009  6:35 AM
Cosmic wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I went hard this summer too to get Iverson....This is a dead season...Iverson for a year would be a nice rental...

But yo.....Imagine next year? What if Lebron does sign??? Iverson is a nice guy to have on a team with Lebron. Iverson and Lebron could easily play together....that would also attract other dudes to follow.

Iverson chucking 35 shots a game and making 9 is attractive to LeBron?

In what universe?

Did no one watch Denver with Iverson?
Did no one watch Detroit with Iverson?
Did no one witness the Memphis mess with Iverson?
Does no one know it's not 2000 and our team isn't comprised of 14 high IQ defensive monsters willing to do all the dirty work not caring Iverson is gunning away every play?

Unreal.......

If the issue is whether AI is better than Billups, then Billups proved to be a better PG. But that is not the issue. The only thing AI wants is to start and finish games. Well, I see no problem with him doing that here. Give him that, and I don't think you will have too many problems out of him. I would sit him down and tell him, we will let you start, but we expect you to be the pg and make sure everyone gets their shots. He can handle it.

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