McK1 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

McK1 wrote:how about we could've had jennings and douglas

Interesting, but not enough balls to share around.

why do you say this...Nash Barbosa and J Rich have no problem getting shots up and they are still getting Amare Hill Frye and Dudley touches as well.

the 3 guard line-up has been a staple of a lot of potent offenses, most notably Isiah Joe Vinnie.

Not a matter of getting shots up- more a matter of control, flow, and rhythm.

Nash and Thomas are/were still the primary ball handlers. Jason Richardson is almost the size of a SF, and Isiah, Dumars, and Johnson are from another era (not all teams had Detroit's big men, either). We did it with Sprewell, but he and Houston both had good size, and Sprewell was a very good and physically strong defender.

Are you talking about both on the floor as starters, like 35 MPG? Good change of pace backcourt, just like we have if we play Douglas and Nate together- but personally, I would want one of my starting guards to have some size-that's why I threw out the Budinger idea. The 3 guard system is a situational combination, IMO, but works best when one of the guards is big. GS had good success against us with it-with Ellis, Azabuke, and Jackson (the second two are 6'5"+), but against certain teams a 3G offense can be overwhelmed. Vinnie Johnson was a 25 MPG player along the lines of Cazzie Russell on the 1969 Knicks- a guy who came in for instant offense, but there were times when their playing time was reduced.

I also think that Jennings and Douglas are rhythm players, and are more effective if they are the primary ball handlers, although I've seen Douglas play like a SG at times, coming off picks a moving without the ball to get shots. Jennings has almost total control of the ball on the Bucks- would he be as consistent a shot if he was off the ball?

Paladin55 wrote:

Not a matter of getting shots up- more a matter of control, flow, and rhythm.

Nash and Thomas are/were still the primary ball handlers. Jason Richardson is almost the size of a SF, and Isiah, Dumars, and Johnson are from another era (not all teams had Detroit's big men, either). We did it with Sprewell, but he and Houston both had good size, and Sprewell was a very good and physically strong defender.

Are you talking about both on the floor as starters, like 35 MPG? Good change of pace backcourt, just like we have if we play Douglas and Nate together- but personally, I would want one of my starting guards to have some size-that's why I threw out the Budinger idea. The 3 guard system is a situational combination, IMO, but works best when one of the guards is big. GS had good success against us with it-with Ellis, Azabuke, and Jackson (the second two are 6'5"+), but against certain teams a 3G offense can be overwhelmed. Vinnie Johnson was a 25 MPG player along the lines of Cazzie Russell on the 1969 Knicks- a guy who came in for instant offense, but there were times when their playing time was reduced.

I also think that Jennings and Douglas are rhythm players, and are more effective if they are the primary ball handlers, although I've seen Douglas play like a SG at times, coming off picks a moving without the ball to get shots. Jennings has almost total control of the ball on the Bucks- would he be as consistent a shot if he was off the ball?

it would be the jennings show, douglas as the third guard. I think Douglas is better off the ball and when he does catch it he is looking to score. as for big 2's Id look at a guy like Morrow who is 6'6 and can hit the spot up shot hasa bit of a handle plus can defend

Almost though, almost. Jennings talked about the New York Knicks passing on him at No. 8 on draft day, about losing out on the chance to resurrect one of the league’s glamour franchises, to make Madison Square Garden his own.

“I feel like I understand why teams like the Knicks passed on me, because I didn’t put up big numbers in Italy last year,” he said. “But you needed to see me in the practices, and the workouts, to see how I was coming along there. Hey, I’m a gym rat. You had to know that about me.”

martin wrote:did Jennings mention why he pulled out of the big Euro workout? haven't read everything yet.

I think whatever that workout is--it might just be a tad over rated. There are hours of B Jennings tapes and Im sure the Knicks staff scouted him extensively in HS like the Kobe's 1 euro workout--what does that mean? Jim Calhoun called him the best PG prospect in 10 years--where did he get his information?

The Milwaukee Bucks didn’t practice Sunday, but rookie point guard Brandon Jennings(notes) was back in the suburban training facility working on his shot a night after scoring 55 points in his seventh career game, the most by a rookie in the NBA in 41 years.

Jennings’ phenomenal performance in a 129-125 victory over Golden State elevated him into lofty company.

He broke Milwaukee’s franchise rookie scoring mark held by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, joined LeBron James(notes) as the only two players to score at least 55 points in a game before turning 21 and fell three points shy of Wilt Chamberlain’s NBA rookie record set in 1960.

“Last night, that’s the past,” Jennings told The Associated Press by phone after his Sunday session.

The 20-year-old from Los Angeles was back at work, just as he did last season as a pro overseas.

“I try to get 600, 700 shots up just to keep my rhythm going, to stay fresh like in Europe,” he said. “I never had a day off, so that’s something I’m kind of used to right now, is always playing and playing and playing.”

The prep star decided to skip college when he had trouble qualifying and moved to Europe, where he mostly sat the bench but said he learned a lot with twice daily practices. He also had little outside life beyond the gym, but his lack of playing time and questions about his jump shot had him dropping on the draft board until Milwaukee selected him 10th.

Against the Warriors, he missed his first three shots and went 4 of 13 from the field in the first half.

“I came back in the locker room and just said, ‘Start making shots,”’ Jennings said. “I just had it in my head the whole time. Once I got out there (in the third quarter), the first couple of shots went in, then the third one went in, then the fourth one, then the fifth one went in.

“After a while, the rim kept looking like it got bigger and bigger and I couldn’t miss.”

Indeed.

Jennings hit his first 12 shots in a 29-point spree and only missed his final shot of the quarter, a 3-pointer with 5.9 seconds left. The performance effectively put any questions of his shaky jump shot to rest.

“My confidence is way sky high right now,” said Jennings, who has scored in double figures in six of his first seven games (he had nine points in the other).

It also has helped his teammates and coach Scott Skiles believe in him. Skiles said he had a similar feeling remembering Michael Jordan score at will one night.

“I was in a game when Michael had over 60 once. I don’t know exactly what to say,” Skiles said immediately after the victory. “(Jennings) felt we needed to be picked up and we went to our pick-and-roll game and spread the floor and he got hot again.”

Center Andrew Bogut(notes) wasn’t so sure.

“I don’t think we were working the roll game, I think we were just working the pick game,” Bogut said. “He was doing a hell of a job shooting the ball.”

Jennings, averaging 25.6 points, said Skiles’ belief in him is helping him not to worry about being pulled for an early mistake.

“For him to give me the opportunity to go out there and showcase my talent, I think that’s real big of him, especially because I’m just a rookie,” Jennings said. “A lot of coaches don’t give rookies a lot of chances.”

Jennings deferred the magnitude of his performance, only saying that being in the same sentence as James is “awesome.” He’s more interested in matching up with the Dallas Mavericks and Jason Kidd(notes) on Monday night, and he didn’t hesitate to say what his favorite moment of the season is so far.

“My first game of the season, playing down in Philly,” he said.

Why?

“I was real nervous. I think I play better when I’m nervous and I almost had a triple-double,” said Jennings, who finished with 17 points, nine assists and nine rebounds that night. “That was pretty impressive.”

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

tell em why you mad sun

"that double nickels ****, it was aight...but hill's putback dunks is more jonblaze then that"

fishmike wrote:dont worry guys.. if the Knicks had drafted him he would be a skinny shoot first PG who doesnt play D, got busted for smoking weed by Thankgiving and didnt show much of a jumper. At this point Briggs and JohnWallace would be posting daily asking HOW HOW HOW the Knicks passed on a guy like Jordan Hill with our terrible interior defense and lack of size to take a skinny PG that EVERYONE knew had attitude issues and no jump shot.

But

Today we are universe A its Jennings who is playing the star and Hill who is riding pine

exactly on point with that one fish....