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Anyone from the Knick organization want to explain why we didnt take Dejuan Blair 29?
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nyk4ever
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10/29/2009  6:05 PM
oohah wrote:Am I to understand that the prevailing opinion is that the only reason Blair did not go in the lottery is his knees?

oohah

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10/29/2009  6:11 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
oohah wrote:Am I to understand that the prevailing opinion is that the only reason Blair did not go in the lottery is his knees?

oohah

Hang your ass out there and ask the question like a man.

You've completely lost me. I'm asking a serious and earnest question. If you recall, I wrote right before the draft on this very board that I would take Blair at 8 and you wrote that the game was "passing me by". Me hanging ass has never been an issue.

Please answer my question because it is an honest question.

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10/29/2009  6:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  6:18 PM
Isn't it obvious Oohah? The "prevailing opinion" is that Blair didn't go in the lotto. I'm sure his height had something to do with it too.

Plus my previous post was more of a joke. Sorry you took it so seriously.

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10/29/2009  6:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  6:19 PM
By the way NYK, if I was the Knicks' GM and I was scared off by Blairs' knees in the lottery, I would have picked Terrence Williams at #8 and picked Blair at 29.

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10/29/2009  6:18 PM
dejuan blair is a divider not a uniter. i vote to ban him from ultimateknicks.com.
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10/29/2009  6:18 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Isn't it obvious Oohah? The "prevailing opinion" is that Blair didn't go in the lotto. I'm sure his height had something to do with it too.

Come on man, don't get all aggressive on me. I see you say height was part of it, but do you think the main reason is his knees? Obviously something put every team off of him for a reason.

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10/29/2009  6:19 PM
oohah wrote:By the NYK, if I was the Knicks' GM and I was scared off by Blairs' knees in the lottery, I would have picked Terrence Williams at #8 and picked Blair at 29.

oohah

You won't get an argument from me about not taking Hill at 8 - I wanted nothign to do with him. I'm not sure Terrence would have been my choice since I've seen him time and again be terribly inconsistent at Louisville, but I do get your drift.

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10/29/2009  6:20 PM
oohah wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Isn't it obvious Oohah? The "prevailing opinion" is that Blair didn't go in the lotto. I'm sure his height had something to do with it too.

Come on man, don't get all aggressive on me. I see you say height was part of it, but do you think the main reason is his knees? Obviously something put every team off of him for a reason.

oohah

Well can we put 2 and 2 together or no?

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10/29/2009  6:21 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
oohah wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Isn't it obvious Oohah? The "prevailing opinion" is that Blair didn't go in the lotto. I'm sure his height had something to do with it too.

Come on man, don't get all aggressive on me. I see you say height was part of it, but do you think the main reason is his knees? Obviously something put every team off of him for a reason.

oohah

Well can we put 2 and 2 together or no?

I'm asking you what you think. I'm not trying to trap you...or am I?

oohah

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Anyway, to simply state my case. I want the GM to pick pro-ready players and stop worrying about all the extracurricular stuff. And if you pick a project, he should be unbelievably talented even for the NBA and have incredible upside, like a Hasheem Thabeet.

Chandler is a project. Hill is a project. Nate and Lee are projects!

Why can't our project be Brooke Lopez...or be a pro-ready guy like Gordon? It's so disheartening. And then when inside tougness is our most glaring weakness, Walsh passes on the toughest inside guy with what is basically a second-round pick.

It makes me sick.

oohah

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10/29/2009  9:57 PM
oohah wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Isn't it obvious Oohah? The "prevailing opinion" is that Blair didn't go in the lotto. I'm sure his height had something to do with it too.

Come on man, don't get all aggressive on me. I see you say height was part of it, but do you think the main reason is his knees? Obviously something put every team off of him for a reason.

oohah

Height for a PF, knees, suspect outside shot, seen as a tough, but limited inside guy, not MDA's cup of tea.

My Broadband League Pass blacked out the SA game last night, and tonight also. Did anyone actually see him play? Did he play primarily during garbage time? How did he score his points? How did he defend?

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10/30/2009  12:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2009  12:32 AM
oohah wrote:Anyway, to simply state my case. I want the GM to pick pro-ready players and stop worrying about all the extracurricular stuff. And if you pick a project, he should be unbelievably talented even for the NBA and have incredible upside, like a Hasheem Thabeet.

Chandler is a project. Hill is a project. Nate and Lee are projects!

Why can't our project be Brooke Lopez...or be a pro-ready guy like Gordon? It's so disheartening. And then when inside tougness is our most glaring weakness, Walsh passes on the toughest inside guy with what is basically a second-round pick.

It makes me sick.

oohah

I'm sick too. This was a TERRIBLE choice for a coach. If we brought in Mark Jackson--I can assure you we would have Brook Lopez Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair.


This guy only cares about 6-8 players who can shoot 3's doesnt believe in the post game and his teams dont play defense. This is not F France.


Also as evidence--look how they tried to develop 6-11 Jefferies--by teaching him how to shoot 3s YES take a 6-11 player and move him out to 30 feet. It's asinine.

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10/30/2009  9:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2009  9:54 AM
The thing with this guy is he should help us attract players to wanna come here. That's his big drawing card. That alone, considering our sorry state of affairs & lack of good talent, was worth the hire all by itself. There's a big allure surrounding this guy by NBA players based on his style & prior success with the Suns... We'll see if he'll be able to get that done for us. The jury's still out. It all starts next summer..

In the meantime, I agree with some of what's being said here. He's a wacky strategist, but then again I think in his mind he's trying to get the most out of this team and to him, it's gotta be done using smoke & mirrors like the crazy 3-pt. bombing. I personally think it's lazy, uninspired basketball that's not gonna work on a consistent basis. It's way too extreme. Instead, he should have a little faith that we could play even better in a more conventional style at times, i.e. use the whole 24-sec. shot clock to our benefit at times in order to get the best possible shot, work Jordan Hill into the lineup as a post presence, Give TD some time mistakes and all, etc.. The way he's got them playing right now, it's almost as if he's telling them 'you got 7 secs. or less to jack up a 3.' I mean where are the easy transition buckets we all thought we'd be getting??? It's all jumpshots....I agree with Jeffries too -- is it really in our best interest having this guy shooting 3s? Or playing at all for that matter? Nice guy, plays hard, but he shouldn't be taking time away from Jordan Hill, I don't care how behind Mike's learning curve the kid is right now... Case closed...

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10/30/2009  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2009  12:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
oohah wrote:Anyway, to simply state my case. I want the GM to pick pro-ready players and stop worrying about all the extracurricular stuff. And if you pick a project, he should be unbelievably talented even for the NBA and have incredible upside, like a Hasheem Thabeet.

Chandler is a project. Hill is a project. Nate and Lee are projects!

Why can't our project be Brooke Lopez...or be a pro-ready guy like Gordon? It's so disheartening. And then when inside tougness is our most glaring weakness, Walsh passes on the toughest inside guy with what is basically a second-round pick.

It makes me sick.

oohah

I'm sick too. This was a TERRIBLE choice for a coach. If we brought in Mark Jackson--I can assure you we would have Brook Lopez Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair.


This guy only cares about 6-8 players who can shoot 3's doesnt believe in the post game and his teams dont play defense. This is not F France.


Also as evidence--look how they tried to develop 6-11 Jefferies--by teaching him how to shoot 3s YES take a 6-11 player and move him out to 30 feet. It's asinine.

If Lopez is as good as you think, would Utah have had our pick this past draft? And if Jackson were to be as good of a coach as you think he might be, we would have even been better last year, and not gotten our #8 pick this year, or lost it to Utah, especially if he had somehow managed to reach Marbury in some way or another and gotten positive things from him.

Having Jackson and picking Lopez might have had unforeseeable implications and completely altered the chain of events leading up to the present.

Read some science fiction, my friend- or watch the episode of the Simpsons that deals with this issue.

Just a thought.

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10/30/2009  12:47 PM
Is Blair looking like we all expected that big of a deal? Anyone couldve told you he was ready to contribute. But make no mistake that on a team with superstars a guy like him can get off much easier and his game means more on a team like that. He wouldn't have addressed our need for more shotblocking and he's not gonna get exposed for that on the Spurs. Here he would. I just don't like short PF's. Plus he can't run or jump. He's a banger with good instincts around the basket.
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10/30/2009  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2009  2:27 PM
Bottom line is that if Hill were playing and contributing right now, nobody would be talking about how we should've taken Blair at 29. Simple as that. With Hill not being allowed to contribute, things get overly magnified and blown outta proportion..
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10/30/2009  2:45 PM
Did anyone from the Knick organization ever respond to this thread?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/30/2009  2:46 PM
kam77 wrote:Did anyone from the Knick organization ever respond to this thread?

no, they all got fired after missing out on Blair and are out looking for jobs.

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10/30/2009  2:47 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
oohah wrote:Anyway, to simply state my case. I want the GM to pick pro-ready players and stop worrying about all the extracurricular stuff. And if you pick a project, he should be unbelievably talented even for the NBA and have incredible upside, like a Hasheem Thabeet.

Chandler is a project. Hill is a project. Nate and Lee are projects!

Why can't our project be Brooke Lopez...or be a pro-ready guy like Gordon? It's so disheartening. And then when inside tougness is our most glaring weakness, Walsh passes on the toughest inside guy with what is basically a second-round pick.

It makes me sick.

oohah

I'm sick too. This was a TERRIBLE choice for a coach. If we brought in Mark Jackson--I can assure you we would have Brook Lopez Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair.


This guy only cares about 6-8 players who can shoot 3's doesnt believe in the post game and his teams dont play defense. This is not F France.


Also as evidence--look how they tried to develop 6-11 Jefferies--by teaching him how to shoot 3s YES take a 6-11 player and move him out to 30 feet. It's asinine.

If Lopez is as good as you think, would Utah have had our pick this past draft? And if Jackson were to be as good of a coach as you think he might be, we would have even been better last year, and not gotten our #8 pick this year, or lost it to Utah, especially if he had somehow managed to reach Marbury in some way or another and gotten positive things from him.

Having Jackson and picking Lopez might have had unforeseeable implications and completely altered the chain of events leading up to the present.

Read some science fiction, my friend- or watch the episode of the Simpsons that deals with this issue.

Just a thought.

Not sure about any of this but just talking about Utah, Kyle Korver's now out in addition to CJ Miles. That's two important wings down for them right now, out recovering from surgeries...Now might be a good time to call them and offer them Wilson Chandler. I continue to like Briggs' idea of trying to pry Koufos away from Utah. You give me Kosta Koufos and Wesley Matthews Jr., a guy I'd need to replace Chandler with in the rotation, and I do that deal. With regard to the salary cap, the deal works. I think that's a fair trade for both clubs. We'd get a young skilled center to rebuild with, Wes Matthews who's young and can play, and then maybe we work Larry Hughes back into the mix for the rest of the year. At the very least it'd keep Hughes happy, but Larry may play a lot better now knowing he's got a steady job once again...

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10/30/2009  3:18 PM
martin wrote:
kam77 wrote:Did anyone from the Knick organization ever respond to this thread?

no, they all got fired after missing out on Blair and are out looking for jobs.

Maybe Brian Wendth can offer some kind of explanation?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
Anyone from the Knick organization want to explain why we didnt take Dejuan Blair 29?

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