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7/23/2009  10:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

this is a business. lee is talking to the media b/c his agent probably told him too. these things are ochestrated.

why do fans use phrases like "we have to pay him" - there is no we. the team pays him, you don't. this is all happening b/c of the savior in 2010. but if the knicks sign lee for $10 and not $8, it's only TWO million towards the cap in 2010. TWO million. TWO million that doesn't prevent a max player from coming. so what's the problem here? once the max guy is signed, the knicks will be over the cap for the next 5+ years so what's two extra mil in 2010 matter so much? i don't understand why so many knicks fans are taking such an extreme and stubborn stance on it. it's two million. he's not untradeable either.

why doesn't walsh get creative and offer curry a buyout for $2 mil less than next year's contract and then pay him the two million as an employee of the knicks organization when his playing days are over. then curry can go someplace else, still play get paid and can recoup the $2 mil that's sitting in an escrow account someplace. there's still 10 months before next year's free agency - you have no faith in walsh to dump another contract by then?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:09 PM]
That extra two million annually would significantly lower his trade value. We're bidding against teams that can offer only the MLE. Why do you want to pull an Allan Houston?
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7/23/2009  10:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Posted by VDesai:

The sound of a man with no leverage...sounds like tears

Exactly Des.

Sorry David, you're a nice player but when you stop asking for money then Paul Millsap (who is a better player) then you'll get a fair deal and you can stop your baby-crying. What a joke. He shouldn't have opened his mouth.

why is millsap a better player? you can't compare players in the nba, there are way too many variables.

Ok, sorry. David is better than LeBron. Better?

can you make an argument why millsap is better than lee? does teammates, coaching, system not have anything to do with it? does playing with a potential future HOF pg not make any bit of difference?
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7/23/2009  10:06 PM
Posted by King1:

Letting your best player walk is bad business. You will offer Kidd, Hill, and Sessions so I think Lee deserves a fair market contract

The $8 million a year that the Knicks offered Lee before free agency was a fair offer.
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7/23/2009  10:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by VDesai:

The sound of a man with no leverage...sounds like tears

Exactly Des.

Sorry David, you're a nice player but when you stop asking for money then Paul Millsap (who is a better player) then you'll get a fair deal and you can stop your baby-crying. What a joke. He shouldn't have opened his mouth.

why is millsap a better player? you can't compare players in the nba, there are way too many variables.

Ok, sorry. David is better than LeBron. Better?

can you make an argument why millsap is better than lee? does teammates, coaching, system not have anything to do with it? does playing with a potential future HOF pg not make any bit of difference?

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

Personally, I think Millsap has a more-rounded offensive game and although his defense is crap, it's better than Lee's which is beyond crap. Could that be because of his teammates? Maybe, but Lee didnt play D for any of these coaches so far, especially LB who stressed D.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-23-2009 10:09 PM]
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7/23/2009  10:12 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.
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7/23/2009  10:14 PM
I don't get why people make Allan Houston comparisons to the David Lee situation.

If you guys really do believe that Lee is asking for $10 million a year then isn't that a fair asking price when two players, who haven't accomplished as much as David has, got that same deal? I mean, most of you guys are scoffing at the notion of giving David $10 million a year. Its not like you guys are saying "10 is ok, but 12 is awful." Most of the fans here think 10 is ridiculous for some reason. Yet, two players in the same off-season already got that $10 million and you can make the argument that at worst, Lee is in their same class.

Now, how is that similar to the Allan Houston scenario?

[Edited by - s3231 on 07-23-2009 10:15 PM]
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7/23/2009  10:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.
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7/23/2009  10:18 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

That's a joke right basketballjones????

You had to ask? Wait- you're getting wrecked! Almost 30! And STILL ONLINE
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7/23/2009  10:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
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Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.

you don't think lee could be part of a 2nd round team?
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7/23/2009  10:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. If anything, that Celtics team should have shown that there is no fundamental blueprint to building a championship team. There are many ways to do it and all of them involve luck. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that. It has been done before and it can be done again.



[Edited by - s3231 on 07-23-2009 10:20 PM]
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7/23/2009  10:19 PM
Posted by s3231:

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that.

you need to post more frequently...
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7/23/2009  10:20 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that.

Dude read some of my posts. I am in complete agreement with a full rebuild. I just don't believe in overpaying for your own players becuase they are your own players. Lee has no market value, I'm sorry he's sad and wants more money, but I see no reason to pay him more money than Paul Millsap got. None. If that equates to building a championship team overnight, please let me know where my line of thinking is wrong.
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7/23/2009  10:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by s3231:

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that.

you need to post more frequently...

I try but work ties me up during the day. Good thing is after you finish college, you seem to find more time on nights and weekends.
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7/23/2009  10:30 PM
Plain and simple david lee is no where near worth 12 per...you pay a superstar that kind of money...just because other people over paid doesnt mean we have 2..we tryning to build our team up ...not over pay for a average power foward with no defense and no offense game
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7/23/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that.

Dude read some of my posts. I am in complete agreement with a full rebuild. I just don't believe in overpaying for your own players becuase they are your own players. Lee has no market value, I'm sorry he's sad and wants more money, but I see no reason to pay him more money than Paul Millsap got. None. If that equates to building a championship team overnight, please let me know where my line of thinking is wrong.

I have been reading some of your posts and you just said yourself that you are in complete agreement with a full rebuild (which seems to imply tearing it down, aka letting Lee walk). What I'm saying is, why not try to keep Lee and stockpile assets to go along with him?

I just don't see why its a good idea to let your best player walk for nothing. How can you say that Lee has no market value when you don't know if/what teams are interested in him? Its funny because a lot of fans are saying that because of the newspapers, Lee is obviously asking for $12 million. Those same newspapers are also reporting a lot of teams interested in getting Lee in a sign and trade. Yet, a lot of fans like you seem to want it one way but not the other. That is flawed though, you can't just take what you like and disregard the rest.

If you use one standard, it has to be uniform.

Listen, I'm not saying this franchise should give in to Lee and overpay him. But I honestly think both sides can come to a mutual agreement. Its not in our best interests to let this guy walk for nothing. Its obviously not in Lee's interests to take the Qualifying Offer (that is really not an option for him) or sign for a cheap long-term team. So why not compromise?

Why not give him $9 million a year with a player option after 2-3 seasons?

That seems fair and Donnie could probably be creative enough to backload the contract so that 2010 isn't affected too much. Unless you think Lee shouldn't be resigned period, that seems like a fairly reasonable alternative.
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7/23/2009  10:34 PM
Well this has been a good read and I want David Lee to stay. I always like players like him no matter what the sport. I'm not fussy about 2010 or cap room when you're giving it to a player like Lee, but it's the long year deals that have given me the brutal sports hangover on a lot of the teams I've liked. I think we're reluctant to be in that position. But David Lee seems like he'd always be a useful player and easy enough to trade if there was a real overflow at PF or C.
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7/23/2009  10:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Of course all that makes a difference. DJ, I don't get why all the sudden you are so quick to defend all these Knick players after you fleed the fanbase saying the team turned you away. I get the fact that you want to root for all of a teams players, but cmon man.

i'm a different fan of sports today than i was 2-3 years ago. i openly admit it. being a knicks season ticket holder changed me. the divorce was worth it tho b/c i enjoy sports alot more now. but the casualty was my fandom of the knicks.

but forget all that, now that i'm out of it emotionally, i see how knicks fans treat their players more clealy now (as i used to talk about them the same way). if a player isn't the ideal player or does everything right, and isn't paid the right amount of money, see ya later. there's only championship and perennially rebuild. no inbetween. if you don't fit with either, get the F outta dodge. it's fine to hold those views but the arguments for some of them just arent sound arguments. alot of them make no sense. and then alot of it is dropped when talking about players on other teams b/c apparently the grass is always greener. knicks finally draft a guy that's a good player and now they want him gone b/c everyone assumes he wants $2 more mil than they are willing to give. that's just nutty.

Well if you wanna be a perenial 2nd round and out team and root for that, be my guest. I aint in it for 2nd round exits.

Its funny because a lot of people with your line of thinking would have been disappointed with the Pistons several years ago. Yet, after they did make that jump to a 50 win team, they were also able to make the subsequent jump to a contender.

Why does a team have to go from a lottery team to a championship team overnight?

People look at what the Celtics did and they seem to think that is the blueprint to success. There is nothing wrong with trying to become a playoff team first and then building off of that.

Dude read some of my posts. I am in complete agreement with a full rebuild. I just don't believe in overpaying for your own players becuase they are your own players. Lee has no market value, I'm sorry he's sad and wants more money, but I see no reason to pay him more money than Paul Millsap got. None. If that equates to building a championship team overnight, please let me know where my line of thinking is wrong.

You are 100% right if you are talking about some business assets like buildings, equipment, tracks, etc.
Players are people. And if you will treat them like bulldozers or cranes; nobody will want to play for you, except Eddies, Zacks, TTs, and Marbs of this league, who are all about themselves not the organization they are playing for.
If team is not appreciating players for what they have done it will always be a mediocre in-between of change bullsht. And Knicks is perfect example of this.



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7/23/2009  10:35 PM
Posted by s3231:
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there is no cap space for TWO free agents. there is space for only one. if the plan was two, then why even offer lee $7 mil? why go after kidd + sessions? the TWO plan is out the window. not happening.

in today's market, verejao got his. so i'm not going to throw it out.

Cap space for one or two depends on Jeffries/Curry. Signing Lee/Nate would fully compromise that.

...and Millsap got his, so?

Again, if Lee thought he could get his jack from someone else, he would. Lee didnt give a damn about the Knicks best interest when he vetoed that deal to Memphis. Chickens have an interesting way of coming home to roost. Nobody is trying to give Lee 10 million a year, end of story. Now he's panicking.

You are basing your argument on something that may have never happened. We don't know if Lee vetoed a deal to Memphis. Newspapers don't always tell the truth, their agenda is to sell papers. If Newspapers always told the truth, then we would have a very different roster right now.

Usually when a story of that nature gets that much publicity, the party in question will refute it. The fact that Lee and Walsh remained virtually silent, IIRC, kinda confirms what happened.

See you dont like that, because when Lee had leverage he used it for his best interest which is great. Do what ya gotta. Now that he has none and the Knicks are working in their best interest, he starts bellyachin'. Thats not gangsta.
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7/23/2009  10:37 PM

Dj,

your bringing up some good points about bashing the guy and assuming much.

Seems like many also assume some trades that did not happen were actually truths! Also complaints that we lose lee if we don't match and we should have traded him as if we wanted what was offered the whole time.

Nalods take: The league knows David was the benefit of a system that bloated his stats. If a team thought his inclusion was the last piece of a championship puzzle they will get him at almost all costs either thru sign and trade or break the bank. MDA-ball helped Dlee, and his stats are worthy of the money, but there are some that might think their system won't bring it, and the market has changed in the last few weeks. cap numbers are down and teams are worried about cash flow.

Why fans take any of this personal like he is some little bitch is beyond me. He has been one of our few bright rays of hope the last few years and wants to get paid his worth! Walsh is being cool and wants him but won't be stupid about him or the plan for next year.

That given, I hope we can keep him and fulfil our plan!!!!!
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7/23/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by s3231:

I have been reading some of your posts and you just said yourself that you are in complete agreement with a full rebuild (which seems to imply tearing it down, aka letting Lee walk). What I'm saying is, why not try to keep Lee and stockpile assets to go along with him?

I just don't see why its a good idea to let your best player walk for nothing. How can you say that Lee has no market value when you don't know if/what teams are interested in him? Its funny because a lot of fans are saying that because of the newspapers, Lee is obviously asking for $12 million. Those same newspapers are also reporting a lot of teams interested in getting Lee in a sign and trade. Yet, a lot of fans like you seem to want it one way but not the other. That is flawed though, you can't just take what you like and disregard the rest.

If you use one standard, it has to be uniform.

Listen, I'm not saying this franchise should give in to Lee and overpay him. But I honestly think both sides can come to a mutual agreement. Its not in our best interests to let this guy walk for nothing. Its obviously not in Lee's interests to take the Qualifying Offer (that is really not an option for him) or sign for a cheap long-term team. So why not compromise?

Why not give him $9 million a year with a player option after 2-3 seasons?

That seems fair and Donnie could probably be creative enough to backload the contract so that 2010 isn't affected too much. Unless you think Lee shouldn't be resigned period, that seems like a fairly reasonable alternative.

A full rebuild to me is letting all of your young players play and making shrewd moves when seen fit (and yes keeping David Lee is in that discussion.) I like David Lee as a player, he hustles, he gives his best and he always seems to find a way to score points and rebound the basketball. That is good stuff that any good team needs to have. I have also said many times that I am not an advocate of David Lee walking for nothing. I believe in Lee's case a 5 year 40 million dollar is more than suitable for the type of player he is (he can even have a player option after his 3rd year if so he can opt out) and is a comparable salary to what other players of his ilk make around the league.

What I do have a problem with is Lee's agent asking for 5 years 60 million, as has been reported throughout the offseason, in several media outlets. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but that is an outrageous salary. In this case, I would not want to let him walk for nothing, I would find a team that was interested in paying him that type of salary (or something close to it) and find a suitable sign and trade deal that works out for both teams. This is what good GMs do and if Walsh is worth his stones (which I believe he is) then in this case he would find a way to deal David and get back a few assets that will help this team.

Yes, I am in absolute accordance of a full rebuild but to me with a rebuild comes signing your own players to a proper salary so we can keep our flexibility and not tie up the cap when we don't need to.

I don't know how to explain it any better than that.
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