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Bippity10
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7/17/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.

I dont' think Hill would be guarding a guy like Daye at all. Daye has too much perimeter game. I think you'd be more likely to see Wilson/Gallo/Al on a guy like Daye
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7/17/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.

I dont' think Hill would be guarding a guy like Daye at all. Daye has too much perimeter game. I think you'd be more likely to see Wilson/Gallo/Al on a guy like Daye

the list of starting 4's in our div alone:

Bosh
Young
Yi
KG

He is going to have to match up on the perimeter.

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7/17/2009  3:25 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.

I dont' think Hill would be guarding a guy like Daye at all. Daye has too much perimeter game. I think you'd be more likely to see Wilson/Gallo/Al on a guy like Daye

the list of starting 4's in our div alone:

Bosh
Young
Yi
KG

He is going to have to match up on the perimeter.

Daye is more of a perimeter player than those guys. Daye is going out to about 22 feet. Hill will be guarding guys that will play 15 feet and in. Part of the idea behind having guys like Gallo and Wilson and even Al that can play different positions is so that we can match up with other teams. When a guy like Daye is on the floor he will be guarded by those three well before he would be guarded by Hill. If a team tries to get cute and put a guy like Daye at the 5 spot and force Hill to guard him, then we would take Hill out of the game and go with Curry and force other teams to match up with us. We aren't a great team yet, but this is what D'Antoni and WAlsh are building towards. We are bringing in versatilty so that we can avoid situations where Hill is guarding a perimeter player.

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7/17/2009  3:36 PM
I really don't get all the hate that Hill is getting. Dude had 2 SL games. Chill. I trust the godfather made the right choice here. Plus, BRIGGS already gave his stamp of approval on one young Jordan Hill.
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7/17/2009  3:47 PM
I really don't feel D'Antoni sees the game this way.

As far as matching up or creating mismatches I doubt Curry is an option to MDA at all. He didn't like slowing the game down for Shaq and he can run alot more than Curry can.

If Hill or Gallo (i'd be shocked if you see them on the floor together much; MDA is about winning with speed not size) is getting toasted because they don't have the ability to guard on the perimeter, I believe MDA will go even smaller and move whichever is in the game to center. The paint will never look more friendlier.

On the other end, i don't see Hill being able to beat guys with that robotic post game. He doesn't have quick feet, isn't quick off the ground, and doesn't extend on the shot. People are gonna sit on that turnaround and swat it. His saving grace will be a face up shot...IMO we drafted Kurt Thomas with the 8
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7/17/2009  4:00 PM
Posted by McK1:

I really don't feel D'Antoni sees the game this way.

As far as matching up or creating mismatches I doubt Curry is an option to MDA at all. He didn't like slowing the game down for Shaq and he can run alot more than Curry can.

If Hill or Gallo (i'd be shocked if you see them on the floor together much; MDA is about winning with speed not size) is getting toasted because they don't have the ability to guard on the perimeter, I believe MDA will go even smaller and move whichever is in the game to center. The paint will never look more friendlier.

On the other end, i don't see Hill being able to beat guys with that robotic post game. He doesn't have quick feet, isn't quick off the ground, and doesn't extend on the shot. People are gonna sit on that turnaround and swat it. His saving grace will be a face up shot...IMO we drafted Kurt Thomas with the 8

All D'Antoni and Walsh have talked about for the past year is that this team needs more versatility to avoid mismatches. Your opinion of Hill is your opinion of Hill. My opinion of Hill is that we don't know what we have until we see him play for a couple years in the NBA. That being said regardless of whether D'antoni goes small or large the point doesn't change. D'Antoni is not going to have Hill guarding a perimeter guy like Daye. He'd be more apt to play Al at center if that was the case.

As for Curry, I think you are wrong. If Eddie is in shape he is going to play. When Shaq was in Phoenix under D'Antonio I agree D didn't like having him becasue he was too slow but there are a couple things to consider:

1.) Shaq still played close to 44 minutes a game(actually 29, but since I'm rounding up I thought 44 sounded better) which was right in line with his numbers before and since.
2.) Shaq scored 13 a game. My guess is that since we established that D'Antonio did not like using him, when he did use him I'm pretty sure he took advantage of mismatches
3.) An inshape Curry is more nimble than shaq was in Phoenix
4.) take Curry out of the equation and Hill still won't be guarding a guy like Daye, which was the original conversation.

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7/17/2009  4:15 PM
so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

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7/17/2009  4:16 PM
i think they plan on converting hill into a pg...
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7/17/2009  4:26 PM
Posted by McK1:

so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

Did you listen to what I said???? I will try again. The reason D'Antoni and Walsh are talking about versatility is so that there won't be mismatches. Hill will not be guarding someone who plays 22 feet from the basket. Gallo, Wilson and Al will. He will not be guarding behemoths in the paint. Eddie Curry and Darko will. He will be a second teamer guarding other teams second team PF's and centers. Guys that will look pretty much just like him. The hope is that OVER TIME(time we give all rookies, by the way Daye will face some of the same problems in his defensive matchups. It's not just Hill it's all rookies) he will bulk up and be able to guard bigger guys. I don't think the plan is to ever have him guard the Daye's and the Gallo type players. It's not his role.
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7/17/2009  4:35 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

Did you listen to what I said???? I will try again. The reason D'Antoni and Walsh are talking about versatility is so that there won't be mismatches. Hill will not be guarding someone who plays 22 feet from the basket. Gallo, Wilson and Al will. He will not be guarding behemoths in the paint. Eddie Curry and Darko will. He will be a second teamer guarding other teams second team PF's and centers. Guys that will look pretty much just like him. The hope is that OVER TIME(time we give all rookies, by the way Daye will face some of the same problems in his defensive matchups. It's not just Hill it's all rookies) he will bulk up and be able to guard bigger guys. I don't think the plan is to ever have him guard the Daye's and the Gallo type players. It's not his role.

So when Shaq and Big Z are on the court at the same time for the Cavs, is Hill guarding Shaq in the post or Z out on the 3 point line? McK1 wants to know.

Or Lebron?
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7/17/2009  4:45 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

Did you listen to what I said???? I will try again. The reason D'Antoni and Walsh are talking about versatility is so that there won't be mismatches. Hill will not be guarding someone who plays 22 feet from the basket. Gallo, Wilson and Al will. He will not be guarding behemoths in the paint. Eddie Curry and Darko will. He will be a second teamer guarding other teams second team PF's and centers. Guys that will look pretty much just like him. The hope is that OVER TIME(time we give all rookies, by the way Daye will face some of the same problems in his defensive matchups. It's not just Hill it's all rookies) he will bulk up and be able to guard bigger guys. I don't think the plan is to ever have him guard the Daye's and the Gallo type players. It's not his role.

So when Shaq and Big Z are on the court at the same time for the Cavs, is Hill guarding Shaq in the post or Z out on the 3 point line? McK1 wants to know.

Or Lebron?

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7/17/2009  4:45 PM
Daye reminds me of Sean Elliot.
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7/17/2009  4:53 PM
Don't worry about athletic 4's with range. Herb is in charge of the defense this year.
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Posted by CrushAlot:

Don't worry about athletic 4's with range. Herb is in charge of the defense this year.

thats a huge upgrade over noone being in charge of it.
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7/17/2009  5:00 PM
It will be interesting to see if he speaks during in game time outs to players that are going back onto the floor.
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7/17/2009  5:13 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

Did you listen to what I said???? I will try again. The reason D'Antoni and Walsh are talking about versatility is so that there won't be mismatches. Hill will not be guarding someone who plays 22 feet from the basket. Gallo, Wilson and Al will. He will not be guarding behemoths in the paint. Eddie Curry and Darko will. He will be a second teamer guarding other teams second team PF's and centers. Guys that will look pretty much just like him. The hope is that OVER TIME(time we give all rookies, by the way Daye will face some of the same problems in his defensive matchups. It's not just Hill it's all rookies) he will bulk up and be able to guard bigger guys. I don't think the plan is to ever have him guard the Daye's and the Gallo type players. It's not his role.

So when Shaq and Big Z are on the court at the same time for the Cavs, is Hill guarding Shaq in the post or Z out on the 3 point line? McK1 wants to know.

Or Lebron?

Lebron

he guards noone. he stands at half court in the hopes thats enough of a headstart to beat Z back down to the other end.
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7/17/2009  5:15 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

so if Hill isn't guarding the 4 he will be guarding the 5 where he is givin up 25-30lbs defensively (look how well that worked out last season with Lee)

Did you listen to what I said???? I will try again. The reason D'Antoni and Walsh are talking about versatility is so that there won't be mismatches. Hill will not be guarding someone who plays 22 feet from the basket. Gallo, Wilson and Al will. He will not be guarding behemoths in the paint. Eddie Curry and Darko will. He will be a second teamer guarding other teams second team PF's and centers. Guys that will look pretty much just like him. The hope is that OVER TIME(time we give all rookies, by the way Daye will face some of the same problems in his defensive matchups. It's not just Hill it's all rookies) he will bulk up and be able to guard bigger guys. I don't think the plan is to ever have him guard the Daye's and the Gallo type players. It's not his role.

So when Shaq and Big Z are on the court at the same time for the Cavs, is Hill guarding Shaq in the post or Z out on the 3 point line? McK1 wants to know.

Or Lebron?

Lebron

he guards noone. he stands at half court in the hopes thats enough of a headstart to beat Z back down to the other end.

I'm willing to bet that against us the mismatch created by having Shaq and Z on the floor together would actually work out in our favor.
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7/17/2009  5:20 PM
I'm willing to bet the Shaq Z together line-up will be reserved exclusively for Orlando LA and Boston. If not Mike Brown will be back editing vids for Pop by mid-season
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