Hill is a late bloomer and didn't get an early start on playing organized bball. He's made a lot of strides over the past couple years and if he develops his upper body a bit more physically (adding 5-10 pounds of muscle) he could be a force down low. I think its just a good value pick in the Knicks. I think a lot of the earlier teams needed guards (not all of them) and that allowed him to slip to us. The only thing I don't like about this is that Marc Berman gets to say he was right for once....

Posted by nixluva:

Just looking at Hill's talents you see a guy that has a good level of skill and physical talent. He just needs to hit the weight room and learn better defensive awareness. He's made steady progress and there's no reason to think that won't continue.

there is if he wasn't the guy you wanted us to pick at #8 apparently.

if MDA can transform "clueless" Amare into an elite bigman in the NBA, i think he can do some positive work w/Jordan Hill w/o question... Hill is gonna keep getting better & guys are gonna keep harping on why we didn't draft guys like Branden Jennings & Ty Lawson... it's just the way things go i guess.

Posted by TMS:

if MDA can transform "clueless" Amare into an elite bigman in the NBA, i think he can do some positive work w/Jordan Hill w/o question... Hill is gonna keep getting better & guys are gonna keep harping on why we didn't draft guys like Branden Jennings & Ty Lawson... it's just the way things go i guess.

Yeah it was all God's offense. Just ignore Frank Johnson's work with Amare as a rookie.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by TMS:

if MDA can transform "clueless" Amare into an elite bigman in the NBA, i think he can do some positive work w/Jordan Hill w/o question... Hill is gonna keep getting better & guys are gonna keep harping on why we didn't draft guys like Branden Jennings & Ty Lawson... it's just the way things go i guess.

Yeah it was all God's offense. Just ignore Frank Johnson's work with Amare as a rookie.

see this is why it's so hard to have a conversation w/u sometimes... i just got done saying Amare worked his tail off to improve his game & based on the reports i've read on Jordan Hill, his interviews & the way he improved on his play from his freshman year, i think w/work & conditioning Jordan Hill can achieve positive results as well playing in MDA's system... is that the same as me saying it was the system that was solely responsible for Amare's success? come on already.

when you write MDA transformed a "clueless" Amare into a NBA big man it sure sounds like you're saying he was solely responsible.

we went thru this in another thread awhile back. MDA has not developed one NBA player.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 8:32 PM]

I agree with TMS that this should be about Jordan Hill. However, there are not many winning coaches in the NBA who are interested in developing young players. Most would rather play a grizzled veteran who works hard in practice but has no upside over the rookie/second year player with potential. MDA's teams were competing for a title in Phoenix and that was his objective.

Hill = another nice accessory on a car with no engine or driver. The closest thing we have to a driver is Nate and he may end up being a casualty of the 2010 plan.

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by McK1:



we went thru this in another thread awhile back. MDA has not developed one NBA player.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 8:32 PM]

i guess diaw, & barbosa don't count either.

this sounds like a whole lot of speculation and pretty obvious bias against the guy, to me.

how do you define "develop?"

what about chandler?

d'antoni's strengths based approach actually fits models which are widely known to be highly effective in developing people to reach the most of their potential, in general.

did nash not benefit at all from d'antoni either?

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-28-2009 9:34 PM]

did he develop Diaw? Diaw was a versatile player when he was drafted. he got an opportunity in his contract year with a better team and players and had a career year. he got his contract, got fat and became un-dynamic once more til the trade to Charlotte.

Barbosa? He was suppose to be Nash's back-up. Phoenix is still looking for Nash's back-up. Leandrho didn't learn how to score from Mike D'Antoni. He was drafted for his scoring touch.

Don Nelson developed Nash into first a starting NBA pg ,then a multiple all-star pg, then a (3rd team) all NBA pg.

Chandler showed he could score when Isiah gave him minutes at the end of the season.

He got more opportunity to score under MDA...Overall I think its a waste of Chandlers ability having him shoot a lot of long jumpshots, but thats the offense. And now they wanna make him a 2guard? Me, if I was coaching Chandler most of his shots would come from the high post in. He has a strong upper body long arms good vertical and he can finish with contact. Top it off he is a very good free throw shooter yet he averages more 3 pt attempts than free throw attempts. Again a function of the offense. Yr 1 that was reversed


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 10:34 PM]

Posted by VDesai:

Steve Nash increased his career best assist total by 30.5% by playing under D'Antoni and earned 2 league MVPs. He also shot 50% from the field for the first time. He did this without markedly increasing his minutes.

To say D'Antoni had no impact on his game is in blunt but accurate terms, idiotic. He went from a very good player to a truly great player.

true.

he had the ball in his hands 30.5% more as well





[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 11:13 PM]