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6/13/2009  6:55 PM
If this were coming from Patty Mills instead of And1 baller Jennings, the uproar would be minimal.

Matter of fact, Mills stock on Knick internet boards would've jumper tenfold
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what is it w/u guys & ur baseless assumptions about how people would have reacted if the shoe were on someone else's foot? i'd have said the same sheit if Rubio made these comments, if Patty Mills made these comments, if Stephen Curry made these comments, if anyone in this draft class period made these comments... the point is the same.

& LOL! what "uproar" are u talking about? we're making a comment on what he said cuz someone posted a thread about it... beats the hell outta talking about Stephen Curry on the 12 million other threads that are posted about him every day.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 4:10 PM]
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6/13/2009  7:14 PM
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btw, i have no idea what kinda team guy Jennings or Rubio are... i'm only commenting on the choice of words here... there's a way to answer a question w/o being disrespectful to someone else, stop trying to reduce this to such simple basics... it's called TACT, something Jennings didn't show here.

Sorry, I don't see it like such. He was asked a question and gave an honest answer. No different than two co-workers indicating why they deserve the position over each other. Anybody that goes into an interview and gives the speech that Paladin suggested is a super nice guy but just admitted that he isn't the guy who is qualified for or deserves that promotion. There is a time for tact than there is a time to be assertive. Since I didn't hear about any death or illness in Rubio's family recently, I don't have a problem with it.

I wouldn't be surprise if Jennings didn't say something that many GMs and agents were already thinking about and I really could see how many GMs would be impressed with it. Hey at least he didn't call himself a winner as a reason to justify his actions.

dude, u realize there's a huge difference between giving an honest answer to GM's in a private interview & airing out your feelings this way during a press conference, don't u? the fact that he believes he's better than Rubio is not the problem here, it's the fact that he completely disregarded the fact that he was airing these comments out to the public & openly disrespecting Rubio's game that is the problem here... did u hear Johnny Flynn making those comments about Rubio? i'm sure he feels the same way that Jennings does... no, he was too busy cracking up because he couldn't believe Jennings was actually dissing Rubio like that to the press & probably agreed with him to boot, but he chose to focus all his comments on himself & on how he could help other teams, not on downgrading anyone else's game... if u saw the clip u see Jennings also giving a little friendly dig at Flynn getting outplayed by him also... seems like Jennings likes to talk a lotta smack... nothing really wrong w/that so much as it is choosing when & how u make ur comments sometimes... that rings true in any situation in life u come across, business or otherwise.

So you rather have him say no comment. I know you don't want him to lie. Ok, I disagree about the need but he could have used it. I do have a question for some. Remember when Bogut made his comments about Kobe leading up to the 05 draft. Man, I wish there really was a search engine on here because I recall a good deal of people on here giving him kudos for what he said. Like Mck1, I wonder if Jennings' imagine has more to do with it than what he actually said. To that point there isn't any uproar for Jennings dig on Flynn either.
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6/13/2009  7:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

what is it w/u guys & ur baseless assumptions about how people would have reacted if the shoe were on someone else's foot? i'd have said the same sheit if Rubio made these comments, if Patty Mills made these comments, if Stephen Curry made these comments, if anyone in this draft class period made these comments... the point is the same.

& LOL! what "uproar" are u talking about? we're making a comment on what he said cuz someone posted a thread about it... beats the hell outta talking about Stephen Curry on the 12 million other threads that are posted about him every day.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 4:10 PM]

True. On the plus side, Jennings thinks Curry is better than Rubio as well.
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6/13/2009  7:22 PM
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btw, i have no idea what kinda team guy Jennings or Rubio are... i'm only commenting on the choice of words here... there's a way to answer a question w/o being disrespectful to someone else, stop trying to reduce this to such simple basics... it's called TACT, something Jennings didn't show here.

Sorry, I don't see it like such. He was asked a question and gave an honest answer. No different than two co-workers indicating why they deserve the position over each other. Anybody that goes into an interview and gives the speech that Paladin suggested is a super nice guy but just admitted that he isn't the guy who is qualified for or deserves that promotion. There is a time for tact than there is a time to be assertive. Since I didn't hear about any death or illness in Rubio's family recently, I don't have a problem with it.

I wouldn't be surprise if Jennings didn't say something that many GMs and agents were already thinking about and I really could see how many GMs would be impressed with it. Hey at least he didn't call himself a winner as a reason to justify his actions.

dude, u realize there's a huge difference between giving an honest answer to GM's in a private interview & airing out your feelings this way during a press conference, don't u? the fact that he believes he's better than Rubio is not the problem here, it's the fact that he completely disregarded the fact that he was airing these comments out to the public & openly disrespecting Rubio's game that is the problem here... did u hear Johnny Flynn making those comments about Rubio? i'm sure he feels the same way that Jennings does... no, he was too busy cracking up because he couldn't believe Jennings was actually dissing Rubio like that to the press & probably agreed with him to boot, but he chose to focus all his comments on himself & on how he could help other teams, not on downgrading anyone else's game... if u saw the clip u see Jennings also giving a little friendly dig at Flynn getting outplayed by him also... seems like Jennings likes to talk a lotta smack... nothing really wrong w/that so much as it is choosing when & how u make ur comments sometimes... that rings true in any situation in life u come across, business or otherwise.

So you rather have him say no comment. I know you don't want him to lie. Ok, I disagree about the need but he could have used it. I do have a question for some. Remember when Bogut made his comments about Kobe leading up to the 05 draft. Man, I wish there really was a search engine on here because I recall a good deal of people on here giving him kudos for what he said. Like Mck1, I wonder if Jennings' imagine has more to do with it than what he actually said. To that point there isn't any uproar for Jennings dig on Flynn either.

yeah, let's make this an image issue w/Jennings... we are all too narrowminded to not let things like that cloud our judgement on these things... come on now... most of us don't even know enough about Jennings to have an opinion about his image, gimme a break.

there's no uproar over his digs at Flynn cuz the guy was sitting right there & it was obviously made in a lighthearted joking manner... like a friendly dig... the comments he made about Rubio weren't lighthearted, not friendly... they were meant to degrade the guy's talent & his ability... come on w/this already... watching that clip was like watching 2 fighters talk about each other before a boxing match or before a UFC fight to psyche each other out... last time i checked basketball isn't a fighting sport... in other sports i say let ur game do the talking on the field of play.
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6/13/2009  7:23 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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what is it w/u guys & ur baseless assumptions about how people would have reacted if the shoe were on someone else's foot? i'd have said the same sheit if Rubio made these comments, if Patty Mills made these comments, if Stephen Curry made these comments, if anyone in this draft class period made these comments... the point is the same.

& LOL! what "uproar" are u talking about? we're making a comment on what he said cuz someone posted a thread about it... beats the hell outta talking about Stephen Curry on the 12 million other threads that are posted about him every day.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 4:10 PM]

True. On the plus side, Jennings thinks Curry is better than Rubio as well.

& i'm sure Curry probably feels the same way... i don't hear Curry making those comments tho... & if he did, i'd have said the same things i'm saying about Jennings now.
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6/13/2009  7:29 PM
Curry is too busy whoring himself to NY to comment about anything else draft related.

If NY had the 2 though, there is no doubt in my mind Curry would've took a shot at Rubio.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2009 7:29 PM]
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6/13/2009  7:43 PM
from the 1:00-1:22 is what makes Jennings special. theres also some highlights of him and Love on their AAU team

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6/13/2009  7:44 PM
ain't gonna get no arguments from me about Jennings as a prospect... he's got skills from what i've seen of his play.
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Tms your saying ricky rubio has nothing to gain going against the best point guards in this years draft. Explain me this then why are other lottery point guards like steph curry, jrue holiday, johnny flynn, and jeff teague going against each other wouldn't they have every thing to lose too going against each other. So what is the difference about them and ricky rubio not going against the best point guards in this years draft.
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6/13/2009  7:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
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what is it w/u guys & ur baseless assumptions about how people would have reacted if the shoe were on someone else's foot? i'd have said the same sheit if Rubio made these comments, if Patty Mills made these comments, if Stephen Curry made these comments, if anyone in this draft class period made these comments... the point is the same.

& LOL! what "uproar" are u talking about? we're making a comment on what he said cuz someone posted a thread about it... beats the hell outta talking about Stephen Curry on the 12 million other threads that are posted about him every day.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 4:10 PM]

True. On the plus side, Jennings thinks Curry is better than Rubio as well.

& i'm sure Curry probably feels the same way... i don't hear Curry making those comments tho... & if he did, i'd have said the same things i'm saying about Jennings now.

Hey it happens sometimes. Ariza and Lebron are both dismissive of each other which goes back to HS. To this day, Jordan still take serious shots at Starks. Dismissing him all together at Ewing's retirement ceremony. Now talk about lack of tact. Maybe Rubio is Jennings' Starks.
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6/13/2009  7:53 PM
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Tms your saying ricky rubio has nothing to gain going against the best point guards in this years draft. Explain me this then why are other lottery point guards like steph curry, jrue holiday, johnny flynn, and jeff teague going against each other wouldn't they have every thing to lose too going against each other. So what is the difference about them and ricky rubio not going against the best point guards in this years draft.

because they're all trying to improve their draft positioning, something Rubio won't be able to do by working out... he stands to gain nothing & risks losing a lot if he worked out... why would he do it? i wouldn't & neither would any of the rest of these guys most likely if they were assured of going in the top 3 already.

gimme a break, Rubio's been playing against grown men for years already i don't think a workout against guys his age is gonna scare him at this point... this is a business decision, nothing more nothing less... for anyone to even insinuate that the guy's scared to play w/these guys is a little ridiculous if u ask me... they'll have plenty of chances to play in the NBA soon enough... if Rubio was afraid to be exposed in the NBA he wouldn't be opting out of his contract to come play here.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 5:00 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:
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what is it w/u guys & ur baseless assumptions about how people would have reacted if the shoe were on someone else's foot? i'd have said the same sheit if Rubio made these comments, if Patty Mills made these comments, if Stephen Curry made these comments, if anyone in this draft class period made these comments... the point is the same.

& LOL! what "uproar" are u talking about? we're making a comment on what he said cuz someone posted a thread about it... beats the hell outta talking about Stephen Curry on the 12 million other threads that are posted about him every day.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 4:10 PM]

True. On the plus side, Jennings thinks Curry is better than Rubio as well.

& i'm sure Curry probably feels the same way... i don't hear Curry making those comments tho... & if he did, i'd have said the same things i'm saying about Jennings now.

Hey it happens sometimes. Ariza and Lebron are both dismissive of each other which goes back to HS. To this day, Jordan still take serious shots at Starks. Dismissing him all together at Ewing's retirement ceremony. Now talk about lack of tact. Maybe Rubio is Jennings' Starks.

i agree. it's obvious Jennings has something personal against Rubio... it didn't take too much needling from the reporters to get him to air out his true feelings on the guy... seems like he's wanted to say that for a while now... i think rivalries are cool sometimes, but before either of them show anything on an NBA court for 1 of them to start spouting off about the other rings of immaturity, jealousy & insecurity to me, not rivalry.
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6/13/2009  8:10 PM
how many of these "grown men" he has been playing against would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft?

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how many of these "grown men" he has been playing against would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft?

so you're saying Jennings, Flynn & Holiday would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft? i dunno about that. not very familiar w/the Euro Leagues & who Rubio's had to play against... feel free to enlighten me & let me know if there's been any great players he's had to go up against over his career if you do... i do know he's played against some of the top players in the world in the Olympics & got some pretty high praise from some big names... i'll take their word for it over yours, no offense.

& dude, ur telling me u would have worked out if you were in Rubio's position when u had nothing to gain by doing it & a ton to lose? i highly doubt that.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2009 5:21 PM]
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how many of these "grown men" he has been playing against would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft?

so you're saying Jennings, Flynn & Holiday would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft? i dunno about that. not very familiar w/the Euro Leagues & who Rubio's had to play against... feel free to enlighten me & let me know if there's been any great players he's had to go up against over his career if you do.

I only asked because its brought up that he has been playing against grown men since he was 16. Thats fine and all but are these grown men really that good.

Jennings did his senior year at Oak Hill. They play one of the toughest HS schedules in the country. He broke their single game scoring record which is jaw dropping considering some of their alums. I wonder how his team would far in Ricky's league and vice versa.

I would really like to see those Euro guys have to deal with a Jennings, D Rose on the HS level with the coach's blessing to dominate the ball and do what they do...

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6/13/2009  8:28 PM
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how many of these "grown men" he has been playing against would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft?

so you're saying Jennings, Flynn & Holiday would be top 10 picks in any NBA draft? i dunno about that. not very familiar w/the Euro Leagues & who Rubio's had to play against... feel free to enlighten me & let me know if there's been any great players he's had to go up against over his career if you do.

I only asked because its brought up that he has been playing against grown men since he was 16. Thats fine and all but are these grown men really that good.

Jennings did his senior year at Oak Hill. They play one of the toughest HS schedules in the country. He broke their single game scoring record which is jaw dropping considering some of their alums. I wonder how his team would far in Ricky's league and vice versa.

I would really like to see those Euro guys have to deal with a Jennings, D Rose on the HS level with the coach's blessing to dominate the ball and do what they do...

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2009 8:25 PM]

i wouldn't be surprised to see Jennings school Rubio on the court or vice versa cuz i really don't know all that much about either to formulate an educated guess on who's better... i'm not even comparing these 2 as players, i don't think we need to take this discussion there... this is just about Jennings comments & why i think he should've probably used more tact in how he talked about Rubio's game... whatever, he obviously threw down a gauntlet here & knew what he was doing when he said it... it will be interesting to see how Rubio responds... or if he does at all.
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6/13/2009  9:10 PM
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Curry is too busy whoring himself to NY to comment about anything else draft related.

If NY had the 2 though, there is no doubt in my mind Curry would've took a shot at Rubio.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2009 7:29 PM]

No way in the world that he takes a shot at him, even if Rubio were to make a comment about Curry first (which he would not do).

Maybe Jennings lives in some kind of "You Got Served" 1/1 macho BB universe- but guys like Rubio or Curry will take the high road and make their statements on the court playing with their team.
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http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olym/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4004/gamename/12/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/6450/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html. The first game ricky rubio played team usa he scored 8 points 1out4 from feild 3 assist. Chris paulhe scored 14 points 3out 5 from the field 8 for 8 from line and also had 8 assists. Deron willams scored 11 points and had 3 assist and he was 5 out of 10. Both deron willanms and chris paul played combine 43 minutes.http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olym/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4004/gamename/A/groupname/38/langlc/en/roundid/6454/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html Ricky rubio second game against team usa he played 29 minutes had 6 points 6 rebounds and 3 assist he made 1out3 feild goals. Chris paul played 24 minutes and had 13 points and also had 5 assist 3 rebounds he made 2 out 5 from the field but he was 9 out of 10 from the line. Deron willams played 16 minutes had 7 points and 1 assist he was 2out5 from field. Ricky rubio number for both games weren't really impressive.
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[quote]Posted by lumbardar:

Tms your saying ricky rubio has nothing to gain going against the best point guards in this years draft. Explain me this then why are other lottery point guards like steph curry, jrue holiday, johnny flynn, and jeff teague going against each other wouldn't they have every thing to lose too going against each other. So what is the difference about them and ricky rubio not going against the best point guards in this years draft.

Rubio was always the top PG, and has been so in almost every mock draft and GM survey, I think. The others have moved up as we approach the draft and bettered themselves because they have been working out and competing- usually in 3/3 competition, I think.

The agents determine how their clients will work out.

Griffin (for obvious reasons), Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio, Hill, and I think DeRozan (who should not be in this group) are all doing individual, drill oriented workouts for teams. Hell, Thabeet would not even do the athletic drills at the combine!

Agents seem to make all the decisions for their players, and that is how it works today.



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 06-13-2009 9:42 PM]
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