Posted by TheGame:

To chime in, I think the difference between Curry and an Eddie House or a Reddick, is that Curry has shown he can play pg. This dude has been playing pg all season and has decent assists numbers, while still being the primary option on offense. This dude can flat out score and he has an NBA pedigree that suggests to me that he is not going to pull a disappearing act like Reddick or Trajon Langdon, when he gets into the pros. I don't want anymore potential picks. Go get someone who actually knows how to play BB and has an advanced skill. Curry IS the best shooter in college basketball and may be the best shooter to come out of college in the past 10 years. The only reason I would not take is if Walsh determines that he does not have the lateral quickness to guard opposing PGs. We don't need another defensive liability. But everything I have heard and seen suggests that he will at least be a solid, if not above-average, defender.

I agree entirely. 100%. I am moving toward the opinion that even if he turned into a Hubert Davis, I would rather have that than a superstar or bust player. I think Curry's upside is higher than Hubert Davis' and I think Curry has room to grow, but it isn't a bad pick.

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Ira...

Magic was huge - that's why I would rather take Evans than Curry
Jax was a physical nyc PG - that's why I'd rather take Holiday
Nash was a pure PG with great handle - that's why I'd rather take Jennings
Price had a big heart and basketball IQ - that's why I'd rather have Flynn

Also, we're just begging to get beat on defense with Curry with an already challenged team. Evans and Holiday would have a size advantage, Jennings would have a quickness advantage. Curry's going to get beat. How can that be a question?

You know, if any of Magic, Nash, Jax or Price or any other great PG were available in this draft, I might actually draft them. Unfortunately, we have to select from a limited pool of players and we only have the 8th pick. That said, what has Jennings shown in his time overseas? Not very much. Alothough, his personality and character traits have not been positive. I like Tyreke Evans because you can't teach size-- I wouldn't be unhappy with him, but he is a project not contributor right now. Flynn is way too undersized... you can't say you like Evans for his size and then act like Flynn's size isn't an issue. As for basketball IQ, of all the things Curry brings to the table, that seems to be his best asset. Secondary to that is his tremendous shooting ability.

You appear to be tainted by thoughts of Marbury. Having a PG that can shoot is not the same has having a shoot-first PG. This system was made for smart players that can pass and shoot. It is intended to have those types of players at every position.

Curry isn't a bunt. He's a single or a double. Not a certain HR... but some of the guys you are naming are nothing more than big swings for the fences. There is no certainty they will connect. Gallo was a big swing also... I don't like taking too many big swings... there is a greater liklihood of striking out.

Can't talk about trading down to get Curry until after the lotter and the combine.

Isn't it time to swing for the fences? Curry over Evans/Jennings/Mullens/Holiday/Derozan to me is like taking Frye, Sweetney... John Wallace is another example...

We need more Ariza draft picks right now

I wouldn't be upset if we took Derozan, though I think he needs to work on his shot to fit in. I think he has the biggest upside, but I don't really want the risk. He could easily be a Gerald Green (still undetermined if he pans out). I don't think Jennings has the mental makeup to really succeed (I think he is flash). I like Tyreke Evans and could see him become an Iguodala type player. I need to see more of Evans before I would make any decision. But I think this team needs a shooter and Curry is the best there is in this draft. He is automatic. Even forgetting 2010, Curry and Gallo on the perimeter would spread the floor wide open and make life that much easier for any player that can drive to the hoop. Those two would need to develop strength and defensive abilities, I think they can both be very good players.

Come on guys David Stern will fix the lottery so we will get one of three top picks and we will get Rubio.....whoops I forgot to take my meds today.

We are probably due a top 3 pick this yr anyway.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Are we comparing Ben Gordon to Curry? I have real questions about this guy's quickness.

On a team that already has issues as far as lacking a guard who can break down the defense (nate doesn't count and he's leaving) and perimeter defense... why would we draft a guard who you know is going to have trouble defending NBA guards and driving the basketball?

It just doesn't add up to me.

Tierney was talking about this on SNY last night. He said that if he had the 28th pick he'd be happy to take him, but not with the 8th and he's exactly right.

I didn't know that we knew Curry was going to have trouble driving the basketball in the NBA.

I think theres a great misconception out there that just because Curry is such a lights-out shooter than he can't drive the ball. I've seen him take the ball to the hoop plenty of times and he had no issues getting there. He's not Monta Ellis quick, but come on, give the kid his proper due.

Bro, I've seen him take it to the hoop over Sister Mary of the Blind too.

Do we want a feel good player or someone who actually has a chance at stardom?

With all of the dropouts from this draft Evans looks better and better. So does Derozan. So does Holiday.

Bob Knight thinks he's got amazing anticipation because he ran a basketball play. Wow. Congrats.

God bless the kid. He's made the most of his god given physical makeup.

There are limits to what he can do. The NBA is going to chew this little dude up.

You want to tell me you don't like Jennings or Evans or Derozan, fine I'll buy that Walsh. So trade down and get the Curry and Mullens or Curry and Holiday.

Taking Curry #8 is equal to the Raiders making Heyward Bey the top WR picked in this year's draft. Fine, you're sold on the guy. That doesn't mean that it is correct in any way to take them in that slot.

Find a way to extract the most value possible from that pick.

my point exactly... i personally love Derozan, but if Donnie doesn't think he's the goods, then fine... trade down & take Curry & maximize the value out of the pick... taking him at #8 is not maximizing value out of the pick.

Posted by PresIke:

he didn't play great, but you can see the potential.

here's what i just wrote elsewhere about jennings:

now, if jennings is there [at 8], that will make me do a lot of pondering.

interesting watching some videos of him during two games this year for lottomatica roma:





firstly, you can see his excellent court vision and ability to be accurate with passes. after rubio he's easily the next best passer, and i can see both players averaging 8+ assists in the league. you can also see he how could excel on a d'antoni team.

he does well with the pick and roll, and seems very comfortable with blazing speed in the open floor. he also seems very good at getting steals and running the break, which is quite ideal for us. however, the form on his jumper is a bit odd (although somewhat proper) and his shot has a high arc to it. he also made some sloppy errors (the second video shows more of, although one this video shows is clearly a weakly made pass by the other player to him...not his fault) and needs to get stronger physically and in other areas of defense (i noticed one play where he went under a screen). he was also missing a lot of layups and short shots, but they were highly contested, and also seems he got killed but no call on a few plays. that being said, the dude is what 19 years old?

if jennings is there i probably take him. if not, curry it is, even though i was interested in maynor for quite some time (i think 8 might be a bit high).

nate is then VERY expendable, btw....and all the more reason i might like that idea of some kind of nate for camby deal (if we draft a jennings/curry).

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-12-2009 11:18 AM]

just after a quick glance of those clips i'm not quite as high on Jennings as i was before... seems like he's not all that great a finisher at the rim & missed a lot of easy layups or got his shot blocked on most of his drives into the lane... kid is very quick & is a good passer off the dribble, but not too sure about his overall court vision & ability to orchestrate an offense... seems like he'll go away from the offense & go 1 on 1 too many times, settling for fadeaways from the perimeter instead of trying to run a play or at least set up a pick so he can drive to the hole... i wouldn't be upset if we took Curry over Jennings to be honest... but i would be upset if Derozan were on the board & Walsh took Curry over him... IMO that would be a mistake, i don't care how much of a safe pick Curry is... there's just no denying the upside on Derozan.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

So defenses were tailored to stop Curry, but McAlarney wasn't really a concern? He got shots off in much the same manor as Curry. He'd have to come off two, three screens to hit a fall away shot.

I'll never buy this guy as the right pick for us.

Even if its some kind of conditional underhanded deal with LeBron.

If Walsh, the scouting staff & particularly D'Antoni choose the guy to run the point in this system they'd have to have some merit in selecting him.

I mean -- they will both be under MAJOR fire if the pick is a dud and they know the pick is VERY important.

So if they pick Curry -- I don't think it will be because his Mom is cute or his daddy had a nice stroke -- it will be because they like him over everyone else left on the board.

Myself -- I'll trust the current Knick staff over the rest of us particularly considering they've looked at the draft eligible players much more than each of us and they know what they want for this particular team.

I just don't understand what the up-roar will be if these HIGHLY RESPECTED, VETERAN NBA EXECUTIVES select Steph Curry.

Will it be the right pick -- hell if I know.

But I'm not going to say --- they are wrong.

I'll be ok with Evans, Derozan, Jennings, Curry, Flynn or Holiday because if the Knicks staff picks him -- I'm going to trust that this group knows what they are looking for and I'm going to assume the decision will factor more than just pure physical attributes.

I had my reservations about the Gallo pick (I wanted Gordon once Westbrook and Mayo were gone) and I still don't know how I feel about Gallo but I don't KNOW for SURE that the GALLO pick was bad.

That said -- I will be pissed if we take Hill from AZ. That's the #1 pick I DON'T want -- big guy, with knee history that doesn't make his team better (no thanks on Hill).

...That there is an awful, awful record of draft mismanagement...

Good point. Who could forget the 18th pick of the '96 draft?

Damn, those videos of Jennings, thats just horrible, makes me throw up a bit in my mouth actually. And those are "highlight" clips? He can't hit anything near the basket, it looks pathetic. Gets the ball stolen in a "highlight" video? WTF , is this for real? Yeah, he can pass the ball, i guess thats the only thing i can give him credit for based on those vids. And not because he is a special passer, rather thats the only thing he can do, if anything. So no to him, not sure about the others, but i'd take Curry over this failboat any day of the week.

basically, if i posted pure "highlights" he might be be a perfect pick.

i think worrying about his finishing there is a bit overrated. i know tms stated this too, but he is a boy playing amongst men, not college players.

did you not notice how physical the game is? he was getting banged on nearly every play.

finishing is also not always as important as drawing a foul, of which jennings did constantly in those two videos. in ncaa hoops the defenders do just not play like that.

my suggestion...

for those who want some more insight, do a little more research before making sweeping generalizations. clearly, jennings is considered a top prospect for a reason.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-13-2009 1:36 PM]