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Ricky Rubio is declaring - I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be the pick.
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4/10/2009  1:43 AM
really guys, we're in no position to be talking about taking Rubio cuz we ain't winning a top 3 pick in this draft.
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4/10/2009  2:44 AM
Some people here clearly never watched the Olympics. Rubio at 17 was schooling people left and right there. He's got natural talent and can only get better. He's the best PG in the draft if he declares and a top 2 pick without a doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is just hating on international basketball and the fact that our previous pick had an injury.
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4/10/2009  2:54 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Austin Johnson is their PG-- Willie Warren was their 6th man who played a combo guard and I would have my doubts that Rubio is a SUPERIOR basketball player to Warren. He didnt play well down the stretch but showed a great deal of offensive and defensive explosiveness.
Whats with this obscene Darko-like love for Ricky Rubio? I don't care if you work for the Knicks--you have no clue what Rubio will be in the nBA whether you believe it or not.
My comment was who excatly would Ricky Rubio start for in th NBA--answer no one. Could Ricky Rubio step in for Ty Lawson and have the same effect as Ty did--OK sure. Would he even start for a top 10 NCAA program a a freshmen--I don't know--maybe--maybe not. We wont know because he doesnt play in America.I would NEVEr draft someone from a foreign country who hasnt shown domination in their own league--way too much risk.

Warren was not their 6th man by the end of the year, and he had many opportunities to handle the ball in the tournament. He is another guy of dubious height who will be too small to be a top notch SG and does not have enough court awareness or a good enough handle to be a top notch PG. And I guess that Rubio would not have done a better job than Johnson, right??

I might take Lawson over Rubio if he was 6'3." He has a better shot, even though it is not great, can distribute the ball, is quick, and can play the passing lanes, but I will be stunned if he is above 6", and he is the kind of kid who looks like he is going to get banged up a lot because of his hustle.

Oh- I can tell you one team that Rubio could probably be the starting PG on next year- the Knicks. Duhon is a good backup, but he will never be a true floor leader because of the mental gaps he seems to have at times. I also think that Rubio could have played 20 MPG at PG on the Knicks this year, too.

I don't see why Rubio can't be a Jason Kidd type player in the NBA, and if he actually does develop a consistent enough shot, it will be unfair having to guard the guy.

I know that this is all speculation since the odds are against us even having a chance to pick Rubio, but what we are really talking about is what kind of player would be best for the Knicks to pick, and Rubio would be a great fit who could immediately make the guys around him better once they learn what he can do with a ball.
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4/10/2009  6:38 AM
Posted by TMS:

really guys, we're in no position to be talking about taking Rubio cuz we ain't winning a top 3 pick in this draft.
Yep, thats it. I never thought Ricky would be considered a top 3 pick at this point. Maybe he declares for the draft next year and we... er... do we have our own 1st round pick next year?

BTW, I also would take Griffin over Rubio if I had the 1st overall pick.
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4/10/2009  7:51 AM
Compare this kid to Sergio Rodriguez. Both are flashy passing, average outside shooting, average defensive PGs....

There was a time I was very high on Sergio. I thought he was being held back by Nate McMillan but I have since cooled on him as he failed to really step up and show anything substantial when Steve Blake was out for an extended period.
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4/10/2009  9:26 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

if we could be so lucky... A highly athletic 2 way PG who has played againt and wowed NBA players. He's big and long at 6'4 190 (6'5 220 in Briggs measurements).

He's so clearly the #2 pick I dont see how we have a shot. Our only change is MDA and DW convince him to not work out for anyone and threaten to sign in Europe if any team but NY picks him. It probably wont work but worth a shot

I wouldnt take him second.

And he is not highly athletic. He is a skinny boy who is averaging 3 points on his team. He's got skills but how his body and game translate to the NBA--Im not interested in finding out unless Im picking 20th. Would he average 20 points 5 rebounds 5 assists shooting 50% in college as a freshmen at a major university--short answer I doubt he would even start on a top 10 team
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So why in the heck are we so excited about a guy who average 3 points a game. I promise if the Knicks screw up this draft I will not watch a game next season. I'm sick and tired of getting heart burn. It ain't worth my high blood pressure.

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4/10/2009  9:26 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by PresIke:

i just can't believe folks don't think he would start for a top college team...that seems pretty off base, btw. i think without question he would.

kenny anderson was skinny too, and he went to the final four as a sophomore.

Who said Rubio wouldn't start for a top college team? I think Briggs' point was could Rubio beat out Lawson for the starting point right now at UNC.

BRIGGS:
I don't know--nor does anyone here if this kid would start at a top 10 college--forget about the NBA right now.

in a later post...
Would he even start for a top 10 NCAA program a a freshmen--I don't know--maybe--maybe not.


[Edited by - PresIke on 04-10-2009 09:26 AM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-10-2009 09:30 AM]
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4/10/2009  9:28 AM
Posted by lumbardar:

This a bad move for example say we had the number 1 draft pick last year and drafted gallanari over rose and beasely it would be crazy and stupid. As much as i don't like gallanari it would be million times worst to select rubio over griffin. Ricky rubio would have lot more presure then gallanari if we do this stupid move.

and what you apparently don't seem to realize is that rubio has a reputation as having a very good mature personality. he's not some little kid.

if anything i think he seems to have the kind of personality to succeed in new york.
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4/10/2009  9:31 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Some people here clearly never watched the Olympics. Rubio at 17 was schooling people left and right there. He's got natural talent and can only get better. He's the best PG in the draft if he declares and a top 2 pick without a doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is just hating on international basketball and the fact that our previous pick had an injury.

thank you. i asked BRIGGS specifically if he did and he still has no answer, even though he tried to call me on how many times or how many full games i have watched of him.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-10-2009 09:31 AM]
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4/10/2009  9:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Euro League stats Ricky Rubio

5 games played

13.5 minutes per game

avg 2.4 points 2.4 rebounds 2.8 assits steals 1.8 FG% 30% from 2 point range 29% overall

Euro League stats Branden jennings 16 games

19.6 minutes

7.6 1.8 1.6 steals 2.3 2 point range 46% overall 39%

I think this is a far-fetched fantasy this player will be starting NBA basketball any time soon.
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I don't want him point blank. Those stats suck and if we screw up this draft I would want D'Antonio gone from New York and bring in someone like Pactrik Ewing.

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4/10/2009  9:34 AM
and before anyone starts acting like i take rubio #1, i still draft griffen #1, rubio #2.
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4/10/2009  9:36 AM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Euro League stats Ricky Rubio

5 games played

13.5 minutes per game

avg 2.4 points 2.4 rebounds 2.8 assits steals 1.8 FG% 30% from 2 point range 29% overall

Euro League stats Branden jennings 16 games

19.6 minutes

7.6 1.8 1.6 steals 2.3 2 point range 46% overall 39%

I think this is a far-fetched fantasy this player will be starting NBA basketball any time soon.
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I don't want him point blank. Those stats suck and if we screw up this draft I would want D'Antonio gone from New York and bring in someone like Pactrik Ewing.

papabear, these stats are so ridiculously flawed as a way of showing how good he is this entire thread is turning into one big joke.

he is a starr caliber player. go back and read the posts about the stats, watch some actual games he played in before making such silly assessments.

this isn't even about the knicks anymore, it's about how silly some of us have become about international players, and are getting exposed constantly in this thread.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-10-2009 09:37 AM]
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4/10/2009  9:45 AM
Posted by dodger78:

Briggs no way you can project his play in college ball! This kid (at 19 years) has already some years of experience playing ball on a high level (Spanish ball is quiet good!) against adult competition.
If you would have watched him play for Spain at the Olympics you would have seen what is so special about this kid! He is a game changer from the PG position like a CP3 or Nash. He takes over games with his passing and court view plus he is a good defender!
His shooting is something he has to work on (at his age nothing special) but he shows that he can hit big shots already and more importantly set his teammates up for EASY layups!
I would chose him to run the Knicks ANY day!!!
Like Fish suggested at least watch some vids before you bash the kid. No offense intended, but your comment just sounded like you simply read his stats.
As a last note, I dont think we will be in position to get him, cause NO doubt hell be selected Nr.2!
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To be a good point guard in the NBA you not only have to be a good passer you must be a shooting threat. The man can't shoot. We get caught up in a frenzy about guys we don't know anything about. We need to pick the best man on the board on draft night no matter what is his position because we need to replace every position. In the run a gun system everyone must be able to knok down shots at a high level in order for it to work.

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4/10/2009  9:51 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:



Best video on youtube about him.
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It ain't gonna work in the NBA

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4/10/2009  10:09 AM
Posted by Papabear:

[quote]Posted by dodger78:

Briggs no way you can project his play in college ball! This kid (at 19 years) has already some years of experience playing ball on a high level (Spanish ball is quiet good!) against adult competition.
If you would have watched him play for Spain at the Olympics you would have seen what is so special about this kid! He is a game changer from the PG position like a CP3 or Nash. He takes over games with his passing and court view plus he is a good defender!
His shooting is something he has to work on (at his age nothing special) but he shows that he can hit big shots already and more importantly set his teammates up for EASY layups!
I would chose him to run the Knicks ANY day!!!
Like Fish suggested at least watch some vids before you bash the kid. No offense intended, but your comment just sounded like you simply read his stats.
As a last note, I dont think we will be in position to get him, cause NO doubt hell be selected Nr.2!
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To be a good point guard in the NBA you not only have to be a good passer you must be a shooting threat.

Not true--Jason Kidd etc.. That being said the idea of anointing what looks like a 170 pound 19 YO kid a starting NBA PG who has not dominated any other league is absurd. He wont physically over match most solid guards like a Jason Kidd could at the same age and without that jumper and what appears to be somewhat of a slim frame--you are talking major development time on this kid. He is much more likely to be starting for a D league team than an NBA team at this point from what I can only observe from clips. Someone mentioned Willie Warren--boy I would like to see some 1-1 action in private sessions between those two. Willie Warren is a physical athlete with elite type NBA athletic ability. I think that Mr Rubio and those who are calling him the next basketball Jesus might be shell shocked how fast strong and athletic NBA guards are. I think MR Rubio might look like number 23 in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a_wW6Zf0Qk

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 10:12 AM]
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4/10/2009  10:18 AM
All I see from that highlight package is that he needs more elevation on his jumper.

You won't see highlights of Maynor, or Lawson shooting treys like that... because they can't.

I'm a big Maynor fan, but he's got some serious work to do on his shot.

Flynn had an outside shot as a freshman, not last year when he was HM All American.

Rubio is being touted as the clear cut #2 pick as far as the NBA GM's are concerned. Who are we to argue? If we get the #2 pick, we should take him. Bottom line.

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4/10/2009  10:19 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

All I see from that highlight package is that he needs more elevation on his jumper.

You won't see highlights of Maynor, or Lawson shooting treys like that... because they can't.

I'm a big Maynor fan, but he's got some serious work to do on his shot.

Flynn had an outside shot as a freshman, not last year when he was HM All American.

Rubio is being touted as the clear cut #2 pick as far as the NBA GM's are concerned. Who are we to argue? If we get the #2 pick, we should take him. Bottom line.

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4/10/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by PresIke:

and before anyone starts acting like i take rubio #1, i still draft griffen #1, rubio #2.

all right. everyone got it? presike officially says rubio at #1. let's hold him to it.
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4/10/2009  10:25 AM
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4/10/2009  10:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Papabear:

[quote]Posted by dodger78:

Briggs no way you can project his play in college ball! This kid (at 19 years) has already some years of experience playing ball on a high level (Spanish ball is quiet good!) against adult competition.
If you would have watched him play for Spain at the Olympics you would have seen what is so special about this kid! He is a game changer from the PG position like a CP3 or Nash. He takes over games with his passing and court view plus he is a good defender!
His shooting is something he has to work on (at his age nothing special) but he shows that he can hit big shots already and more importantly set his teammates up for EASY layups!
I would chose him to run the Knicks ANY day!!!
Like Fish suggested at least watch some vids before you bash the kid. No offense intended, but your comment just sounded like you simply read his stats.
As a last note, I dont think we will be in position to get him, cause NO doubt hell be selected Nr.2!
Papabear Says
To be a good point guard in the NBA you not only have to be a good passer you must be a shooting threat.

Not true--Jason Kidd etc.. That being said the idea of anointing what looks like a 170 pound 19 YO kid a starting NBA PG who has not dominated any other league is absurd. He wont physically over match most solid guards like a Jason Kidd could at the same age and without that jumper and what appears to be somewhat of a slim frame--you are talking major development time on this kid. He is much more likely to be starting for a D league team than an NBA team at this point from what I can only observe from clips. Someone mentioned Willie Warren--boy I would like to see some 1-1 action in private sessions between those two. Willie Warren is a physical athlete with elite type NBA athletic ability. I think that Mr Rubio and those who are calling him the next basketball Jesus might be shell shocked how fast strong and athletic NBA guards are. I think MR Rubio might look like number 23 in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a_wW6Zf0Qk

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 10:12 AM]



wow.

briggy, highlight those youtube addresses then press the "YouTube" button above.
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