every loss is a good loss... we need every ping pong ball we can get.

no defense as we let NBDL sideshow mike taylor go for 35..LOL. oh lordie..

And Al harrington does in the knicks again with his rim hanging act... the guy is a JERK....

thank god this season is over soon....

Most of the team sucks on defense. Do you think Boston built a great defensive team because of Thibodeau or because of Garnett, Perkins, Rondo, Posey and others? Who do we have? Hughes? Jeffries? Name me a guy you have ever seenplay good defense in their entire career.

Posted by Paladin55:

I'm sure the staff talks to players about their defensive assignments all the time. Anyone here know for sure that there are no defensive discussions at Knicks practices?

This team has had games this year when they have played good D, and we have seen players being chewed out or pulled from a game because of poor D. This tells me that the players, whether it be due to a lack of effort or other limitations, are to blame.


Looking on the good side- we are only 2 games away from Toronto in the loss column in our fight to move up to the 8th slot in the draft.

So because they've played only a handful of games where they played good D and because the coaches yell at them every now and then, it means the coaching staff has done their job and it's all the players fault? That's some reach. The team plays defense the way they've done all year, which is to say they don't. A vast majority of the games they play horrible defense, making the same basic mistakes over and over and over again. Those are the earmarks of a badly coached team.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Paladin55:

I'm sure the staff talks to players about their defensive assignments all the time. Anyone here know for sure that there are no defensive discussions at Knicks practices?

This team has had games this year when they have played good D, and we have seen players being chewed out or pulled from a game because of poor D. This tells me that the players, whether it be due to a lack of effort or other limitations, are to blame.


Looking on the good side- we are only 2 games away from Toronto in the loss column in our fight to move up to the 8th slot in the draft.

So because they've played only a handful of games where they played good D and because the coaches yell at them every now and then, it means the coaching staff has done their job and it's all the players fault? That's some reach. The team plays defense the way they've done all year, which is to say they don't. A vast majority of the games they play horrible defense, making the same basic mistakes over and over and over again. Those are the earmarks of a badly coached team.

We have this kind of conversation in the teaching profession all of the time. You go crazy attempting to teach kids certain things- you seem to have done your job based on results attained during the time you taught the material- you go over the material again and again- yet come test time, they have seeminly forgotten everything.

Once again- you and I have no idea what kind of coaching, if any, is done by MDA & staff in regard to playing defense. If you have any info on this we would all appreciate seeing it. If I was to find out that our D strategy is just to "go out and find a guy to guard," I would have some problems with such a system, but I don't have info about this.

Many players on this team have never been known for their D, and as someone recently pointed out on another thread, we don't have a guy on the court who has the status to be considered a true leader- a guy who can get in a teammates face like KG has done in Boston, or a Jordan, Oakley, Ewing, James, Bryant etc., might do now, or have done in the past.

Look at this team- we have no interior D- when do we block a bloody shot- and our perimeter D is spotty. Our best perimeter D player- Hughes, is past his prime, and our best "big man," who is probably Jeffries, is seemingly despised by most posters on UK.

Do you think it is the fault of the coaching staff that our players can't block shots, or that our guards don't fight through screens, or D Lee is not a banger down low?

Let the Knicks get a Howard or some other stud for the C position- let the Knicks get some kind of enforcer down low- and then we can have a real conversation about whether or not the Knicks coaching staff has a problem "teaching" D to its players.

I just watched the T's again. The one in Staples on Youtube and the one from last night on the DVR.

Not even Stephen King could have come up with this.

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Posted by GKFv2:

Most of the team sucks on defense. Do you think Boston built a great defensive team because of Thibodeau or because of Garnett, Perkins, Rondo, Posey and others? Who do we have? Hughes? Jeffries? Name me a guy you have ever seenplay good defense in their entire career.

Last year the Charlotte Bobcats were 20th in the league in ppg. This year they're 7th. They've also improved from 22nd in Opp FG% to 12th this year. Mostly the same players and they've had a lot of players miss a bunch of games. Different coach though. Amazing how that works.

Oh, and the Knicks went from 22nd to 28th in Opp PPG and from 28th to 29th in Opp FG%.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-26-2009 03:13 AM]

I'm pretty sure they made a big trade early 2 defensive guys - Diaw and Bell. They were sucking early with J-Rich. Wallace and Okafor are already great defenders. Nice try though. You fail again.

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Posted by islesfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Most of the team sucks on defense. Do you think Boston built a great defensive team because of Thibodeau or because of Garnett, Perkins, Rondo, Posey and others? Who do we have? Hughes? Jeffries? Name me a guy you have ever seenplay good defense in their entire career.

Last year the Charlotte Bobcats were 20th in the league in ppg. This year they're 7th. They've also improved from 22nd in Opp FG% to 12th this year. Mostly the same players and they've had a lot of players miss a bunch of games. Different coach though. Amazing how that works.

Oh, and the Knicks went from 22nd to 28th in Opp PPG and from 28th to 29th in Opp FG%.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-26-2009 03:13 AM]

I'm pretty sure they made a big trade early 2 defensive guys - Diaw and Bell. They were sucking early with J-Rich. Wallace and Okafor are already great defenders. Nice try though. You fail again.

You forgot the new head coach. Or do you not believe that he had anything to do with their getting better defensively?

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Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Most of the team sucks on defense. Do you think Boston built a great defensive team because of Thibodeau or because of Garnett, Perkins, Rondo, Posey and others? Who do we have? Hughes? Jeffries? Name me a guy you have ever seenplay good defense in their entire career.

Last year the Charlotte Bobcats were 20th in the league in ppg. This year they're 7th. They've also improved from 22nd in Opp FG% to 12th this year. Mostly the same players and they've had a lot of players miss a bunch of games. Different coach though. Amazing how that works.

Oh, and the Knicks went from 22nd to 28th in Opp PPG and from 28th to 29th in Opp FG%.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-26-2009 03:13 AM]

they have 2 new starters. Diaw, Bell.

And they were weren't with the team for a good part of the season. Certainly not long enough to be the reason for their defensive turnaround.

you mean that 50 of the 70 games isn't enough?

Do you even think before you post? LOL.

Blah blah blah, Charlotte is mostly the same team. I hope my **** sticks!

Diaw has played 48 out of 71 games and Bell 40 out of 71. That means that Diaw hasn't played in nearly 1/3 of their games and Bell has played in less than 3/5 of their games. I'm not sure what you mean by "enough" but I said they weren't with the team for "a good part of the season" and that's exactly what the numbers show. I know that's a lot more than Il Bustino has played but that can't be the biggest reason why the Bobcats have significantly improved their defense this season.

LOL, so they gave us a Tech for one of our players hanging on the rim during crunch time? That's a clear example of the ref deciding wins and losses. Typical, anti-Knicks garbage. Oh well, it helps us at this point for our draft position, but a call like that, at that time, is laughable. Dont let feelings about Harrington cloud you.

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Posted by islesfan:

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Posted by islesfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Most of the team sucks on defense. Do you think Boston built a great defensive team because of Thibodeau or because of Garnett, Perkins, Rondo, Posey and others? Who do we have? Hughes? Jeffries? Name me a guy you have ever seenplay good defense in their entire career.

Last year the Charlotte Bobcats were 20th in the league in ppg. This year they're 7th. They've also improved from 22nd in Opp FG% to 12th this year. Mostly the same players and they've had a lot of players miss a bunch of games. Different coach though. Amazing how that works.

Oh, and the Knicks went from 22nd to 28th in Opp PPG and from 28th to 29th in Opp FG%.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-26-2009 03:13 AM]

they have 2 new starters. Diaw, Bell.

And they were weren't with the team for a good part of the season. Certainly not long enough to be the reason for their defensive turnaround.

you mean that 50 of the 70 games isn't enough?

Do you even think before you post? LOL.

Blah blah blah, Charlotte is mostly the same team. I hope my **** sticks!

Diaw has played 48 out of 71 games and Bell 40 out of 71. That means that Diaw hasn't played in nearly 1/3 of their games and Bell has played in less than 3/5 of their games. I'm not sure what you mean by "enough" but I said they weren't with the team for "a good part of the season" and that's exactly what the numbers show. I know that's a lot more than Il Bustino has played but that can't be the biggest reason why the Bobcats have significantly improved their defense this season.

But for any injury through the rest of the year, Diaw/Bell are gonna be with the Bobcats for 60 game out of 82 games and both of whom consist of 2 starting positions on the court. Compared to last year, you consider that to be equivalent to the same team?

2 starting positions for 3/4 of the year? Not to mention adding Diop.

Keep twisting it, you almost got a point if you close your eyes enough.

Why are you adding games to skew the numbers? Right now after 71 games, and even before that, the Bobcats had shown significant improvement defensively. Adding games to their total to change their percentage of games played, won't affect their defense from what it is now, the improvement has already been made. Yeah, and I'm the one twisting things.

What is your point exactly, do you begrudge any impact that their head coach has had on their defense? I'm sure that adding those players helped to a degree. The same way adding Duhon and making Chandler a starter should have helped the Knicks. That's 2 new starters too, right? They also traded away 2 of their worst defenders in Zach and Crawford early in the season. The Knicks haven't gotten better, they actually gotten worse. And it's not like there were peaks and valleys that you can explain with roster turnover, they've been bad all year.

Maybe you should open your eyes a little more and stop being blinded by your dislike for me.