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BRIGGS
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2/11/2009  1:29 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari does not look like a good fit for Antoni's system. He looks like a half court player on offense, that likes to spot up and wait for others to set him up. All this talk about him being a point forward with a great handle and passing ability to go along with his outside touch is nothing but fantasy. Maybe in a euroleague that isn't even as athletic as the NCAA game. On defense Gallinari is pretty much useless. I'd much rather have a high energy jumping bean like Anthony Randolph, who can run the floor and protect the basket.

The amazing thing is Randolph even has a much better handle than Gallinari. Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

-->Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

Right there.
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2/11/2009  1:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari does not look like a good fit for Antoni's system. He looks like a half court player on offense, that likes to spot up and wait for others to set him up. All this talk about him being a point forward with a great handle and passing ability to go along with his outside touch is nothing but fantasy. Maybe in a euroleague that isn't even as athletic as the NCAA game. On defense Gallinari is pretty much useless. I'd much rather have a high energy jumping bean like Anthony Randolph, who can run the floor and protect the basket.

The amazing thing is Randolph even has a much better handle than Gallinari. Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

-->Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

Right there.

Youtube clips and 10 minutes stints against Summer League competition don't count either.
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2/11/2009  8:12 AM
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2/11/2009  8:16 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari does not look like a good fit for Antoni's system. He looks like a half court player on offense, that likes to spot up and wait for others to set him up. All this talk about him being a point forward with a great handle and passing ability to go along with his outside touch is nothing but fantasy. Maybe in a euroleague that isn't even as athletic as the NCAA game. On defense Gallinari is pretty much useless. I'd much rather have a high energy jumping bean like Anthony Randolph, who can run the floor and protect the basket.

The amazing thing is Randolph even has a much better handle than Gallinari. Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

-->Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

Right there.

Youtube clips and 10 minutes stints against Summer League competition don't count either.

Do you guys actually think that Gallo has been given the right opportunities by his teammates? Right now, he is being asked to be safety valve but like a fullback in football, Gallo only receives the ball as the last resort. I don't remember point forward being bandied around by scouts about Gallo but more like projections by the media and the like. I see him as a wing player that has to be implemented into to attack. What did I see last night? He has a very good jump shot. He can drive to the basket when pressured by the opposing player. He makes the opposing player foul him when going to the basket. He has that Ginobli way of looking like he is getting killed when touched. He can make his free throws.

You argument about believing limited looks applies here as well. You need to see what Gallo can do when he is actually being included in the play before you make your judgement.
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2/11/2009  9:24 AM
At what point will MDA allow Gallinari to do more offensively than what he is now doing? At this time I don't know how Gallinari's game will translate into the NBA style- whether he is just a jump shooter or if he will be able get to the basket and create plays like he did in Europe, but it is obvious that he is playing under some major restrictions when he is out on the floor.

If the Knicks fade and have no hope of contending for a playoff spot, I hope that MDA gives him some more freedom on offense.
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2/11/2009  9:45 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari does not look like a good fit for Antoni's system. He looks like a half court player on offense, that likes to spot up and wait for others to set him up. All this talk about him being a point forward with a great handle and passing ability to go along with his outside touch is nothing but fantasy. Maybe in a euroleague that isn't even as athletic as the NCAA game. On defense Gallinari is pretty much useless. I'd much rather have a high energy jumping bean like Anthony Randolph, who can run the floor and protect the basket.

The amazing thing is Randolph even has a much better handle than Gallinari. Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

-->Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

Right there.

Youtube clips and 10 minutes stints against Summer League competition don't count either.

Do you guys actually think that Gallo has been given the right opportunities by his teammates? Right now, he is being asked to be safety valve but like a fullback in football, Gallo only receives the ball as the last resort. I don't remember point forward being bandied around by scouts about Gallo but more like projections by the media and the like. I see him as a wing player that has to be implemented into to attack. What did I see last night? He has a very good jump shot. He can drive to the basket when pressured by the opposing player. He makes the opposing player foul him when going to the basket. He has that Ginobli way of looking like he is getting killed when touched. He can make his free throws.

You argument about believing limited looks applies here as well. You need to see what Gallo can do when he is actually being included in the play before you make your judgement.

Who looked like a lottery pick last night--Randolph or Gallinari? Gallinari has physical limitations that all the patience in the world cant change. He's got very body slow movements for the NBA --that is why his dribble doesnt look anything like the Euro tapes. He's a very good shooter--I see his upside as a very good niche player. But that is not a high lottery pick/
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2/11/2009  9:54 AM
Papabear Says

This is about the worse defensive team that I ever saw the knicks have. They suck.
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2/11/2009  9:55 AM
Give the kid five minutes before we start killing him. Damn.

You know what would cover up a lot of his defensive problems... if we had a real center instead of playing a kid there who was once our small forward of the future.
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2/11/2009  10:00 AM
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

This is about the worse defensive team that I ever saw the knicks have. They suck.

when you basically play all offense, you better have great offensive players to win - like great offensive players. if you play all defense, you can get by without that type of talent level.
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2/11/2009  10:12 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

Gallinari does not look like a good fit for Antoni's system. He looks like a half court player on offense, that likes to spot up and wait for others to set him up. All this talk about him being a point forward with a great handle and passing ability to go along with his outside touch is nothing but fantasy. Maybe in a euroleague that isn't even as athletic as the NCAA game. On defense Gallinari is pretty much useless. I'd much rather have a high energy jumping bean like Anthony Randolph, who can run the floor and protect the basket.

The amazing thing is Randolph even has a much better handle than Gallinari. Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

-->Just goes to show that you should never believe scouting reports on Euro players until you see them play against real competition.

Right there.

Youtube clips and 10 minutes stints against Summer League competition don't count either.

Do you guys actually think that Gallo has been given the right opportunities by his teammates? Right now, he is being asked to be safety valve but like a fullback in football, Gallo only receives the ball as the last resort. I don't remember point forward being bandied around by scouts about Gallo but more like projections by the media and the like. I see him as a wing player that has to be implemented into to attack. What did I see last night? He has a very good jump shot. He can drive to the basket when pressured by the opposing player. He makes the opposing player foul him when going to the basket. He has that Ginobli way of looking like he is getting killed when touched. He can make his free throws.

You argument about believing limited looks applies here as well. You need to see what Gallo can do when he is actually being included in the play before you make your judgement.

Who looked like a lottery pick last night--Randolph or Gallinari? Gallinari has physical limitations that all the patience in the world cant change. He's got very body slow movements for the NBA --that is why his dribble doesnt look anything like the Euro tapes. He's a very good shooter--I see his upside as a very good niche player. But that is not a high lottery pick/

Again. You are looking at a small sample. How about when Randolph was having his difficulties last month and was acting like a big baby? Did he look like a high lottery pick then? I have to admit that he has a lot of potential to be a Camby like player, but you have to judge everyone the same.
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2/11/2009  10:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

you can count on a losing streak for the trolls to come out. yaaaawn

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2/11/2009  11:17 AM
The kid ain't ready to play, he is SashaPelovRadmanovic. I big Euro that can shoot threes.
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2/11/2009  12:58 PM
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Posted by BRIGGS:

You see how hard it is to think of one person for that 6th spot. I still think the ultimate move wouldve been getting a second 1 and taking a Mcgee and Randolph for this system if they didnt want Lopez. It's stinks when so many good players were there and we didnt end up with the one that complements the team the most--so many scenarios--Gallinari is NO bust but he was picked 10-15 spots to high and that is my problem The number 1 thing is why the F was Gallinari 6th --her's just another version of Channing Frye--honestly who looks more NBA ready Gallinari or Randolph and who would be better for the Knicks?

But what about the special potential to be like Bird and Dirk. Ok, I am going to stop before Nixluva goes nuts.
Many more years left. This is what I am talking about though with Blue, the kid gloves on Gallo. Why wasn't he on the court to start the second half because he was getting dunked on? That's part of the learning process. Stop sheltering the kid. I can only assume that he wasn't in during garbage time because of the back to back but Lee is going to be depleted by the end of the 1st quarter later tonight.

Phar, I didn't see the game. (Went and saw The Wrestler. I don't do well with such realistic gore, but the movie was sad, charming and moving. Always like Mickey Rourke and Marissa Tome.)

I don't want to shelter the kid either, I just think given his back and lack of US experience it's natural to bring him along at a reasonable pace. I don't think he's 100% healed, and even if he were, it's not uncommon for a gangly Euro to get marginal minutes 17 games into his career, just like you don't teach a baby to crawl on gravel. Let the kid get his legs under himself first, then give him increasing minutes. If you get him up to 25 MPG by the ned of the season that's plenty for his first year. Some kids are ready for major roles at age 20, but most aren't. How many of the Euros are?
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2/11/2009  1:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

This is about the worse defensive team that I ever saw the knicks have. They suck.

when you basically play all offense, you better have great offensive players to win - like great offensive players. if you play all defense, you can get by without that type of talent level.

Our defense sucks. Our offense sucks. Our roster sucks.

The question is, do people think this roster would win more games if we had, say, JVG or Fratello as coach? I don't. There's only so far you can take a team of bench players.
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2/11/2009  2:06 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Give the kid five minutes before we start killing him. Damn.

You know what would cover up a lot of his defensive problems... if we had a real center instead of playing a kid there who was once our small forward of the future.

The Knicks of the 90s would NEVER take Gallinari over Randolph--just look at what randolph represented last night--intensity defense athletic ability speed versatility shot blocking ability tenacity. I think when you watch a team made up of very very tough players who are semi flawed like Uconn and then watch the Knicks ytou geta better understanding of why we sck. We don't play 5 as 1. We draft soft players. The two toughest players on this team are Lee and Nate--the only two guys worth keeping and this new age of knick fans want to trade them for fools;' gold. This is a pssy organization and we made a mistake with Dantoni it was a DISGRACE an UTTEr DISGRACE to give up 144 F points to the GS Warriors--we need tough people running the organization who will not tolerate that kind of nonsense. This is gimmick basketball--there is no substance to it we dont even have the right type of players to run it and it will take YEARS upon years to acquire them. What a F mistake taking Gallinari dumb MF mistake by a bunch of F people who dont understand team building or toughness


This organization hasnt made a good move except David Lee at 30 since they acquire Sprewell and Camby 10 years ago

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-11-2009 2:10 PM]
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2/11/2009  2:08 PM
Where did the giddyness go? What changed in 2 weeks?
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2/11/2009  2:10 PM
This team needs a lot of help. We need perimeter and inside guys that can guard. We say we have no shot blocker we dont have one guard that can keep a guy in front of him. We need a defensive player to play 20 minutes a game in MDA system he want have a big man clogging the middle. I dont think Wilson Chandler is more than a bench player in the league and he doenst have a feel for the game. As long as MDA is there defense wont be the focal point. We need a starting 2,3,and 5 for this team to get better and have NAte as the sixth man.
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2/11/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Where did the giddyness go? What changed in 2 weeks?

Andrew honestly you always want to believe in the smallest sliver of hope as a fan. You want to believe and you end up grasping at straws here.
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2/11/2009  2:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Give the kid five minutes before we start killing him. Damn.

You know what would cover up a lot of his defensive problems... if we had a real center instead of playing a kid there who was once our small forward of the future.

The Knicks of the 90s would NEVER take Gallinari over Randolph--just look at what randolph represented last night--intensity defense athletic ability speed versatility shot blocking ability tenacity. I think when you watch a team made up of very very tough players who are semi flawed like Uconn and then watch the Knicks ytou geta better understanding of why we sck. We don't play 5 as 1. We draft soft players. The two toughest players on this team are Lee and Nate--the only two guys worth keeping and this new age of knick fans want to trade them for fools;' gold. This is a pssy organization and we made a mistake with Dantoni it was a DISGRACE an UTTEr DISGRACE to give up 144 F points to the GS Warriors--we need tough people running the organization who will not tolerate that kind of nonsense. This is gimmick basketball--there is no substance to it we dont even have the right type of players to run it and it will take YEARS upon years to acquire them. What a F mistake taking Gallinari dumb MF mistake by a bunch of F people who dont understand team building or toughness


This organization hasnt made a good move except David Lee at 30 since they acquire Sprewell and Camby 10 years ago

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-11-2009 2:10 PM]

You kidding me right? You ever heard of Hubert Davis? That 90's team was about team. You become a teammate then you are accepted. Now if you are saying mold wise, I see Brook Lopez as the only player drafted after Gallo that can be considered a 90's Knickerbocker.
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I think you purge the roster and pay Lee and Duhon, and Gallinari and draft and pray you get a max player in 2010, and one in 2011.
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