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If Gallinari is so good and healthy why doesnt he start
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2/11/2009  10:33 AM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by djsunyc:

it looked like gallo's role on the offense was to go run to the corner and wait. so in essence, right now he is playing the role of 5th catch and shoot option. if the defense collapses it will get kicked out to the 3 remaining players not named lee or duhon. i think d'antoni likes to let his players make decisions on their own but if he wanted to get gallo more involved, i think he would stress it on his players.

That's it in a nutshell. We need to start seeing more from this kid. I'm starting to get frustrated myself. Outside of the stand-still spot-up shooting from deep, I just don't see the kid doing anything else out there to help us. He can't rebound, can't defend NBA players, can't create his own offense, doesn't take it hard to the basket... It's very frustrating to watch, almost embarrassing already. We're just not getting anything outta this kid right now. Nothing! And I don't get the sense that his teammates have any confidence in him either. If he's not 100% physically and that's the problem then he should sit until he's ready. But right now, I don't know what the hell to think.

I mean, what do you guys think? Is it that he's physically not ready, D'Antoni holding him back somehow or just a case of him being completely overmatched?? It's definitely a concern right now. I mean he's been back for a few games now and has done NOTHING to distinguish himself out there. I know it's still early and I guess we need to still remain patient, but Gallo, baby, you gotta start showing us something. Anything. I don't see anything like the player we saw in those highlight clips. I'm not even looking for stats per say -- he can go 0-10 out there, I don't care, just show me you want the ball, show me you want to remain on the court, show determination, heart, show me you belong buddy. I tend to agree with Briggs and others at this point - we're supposed to get an impact player at #6 in the draft. We desperately needed a good player/an impact guy with that pick at 6. Any impact player, even one operating at less than 100%, will still show his worth on the court one way or another. If a guy's supposed to be that good, you'll at least see a couple of signs here and there... I just don't see it outta this guy. He's a guy that just runs and hides in the corner and remains completely uninvolved 99% of the time. Come on Gallo - GET YOURSELF INVOLVED ALREADY!!! Time to call this kid out right now a little. I know it's still early, but he's been back long enough where we should be seeing a sign or two. Say a prayer we didn't grab the next Steve Novak here fellas 'cause right now that's exactly what it looks like...


[Edited by - finestrg on 02-11-2009 01:28 AM]

He looks lost out there. When he moves, he's always out of position or disrupting the flow. Missing the pre-season really hurt his development. Even though he won't admit it, he's not comfortable yet and as a starter, he looks scared ****less. I've been waiting for that breakout game, but he just doesn't have the confidence yet. Looks like MDA is just trying to get him in the flow. He helps spread the floor when you stick him in the corner because opposing teams have to respect his shooting ability....sorta like what MDA did with Robersuck at the beginning of the season.

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2/11/2009  10:50 AM
he looks scared ****less

this is just a completely empty comment.

breen even said it himself that one thing about him is that he is far from scared.

the patience level of too many knick fans leaves little wonder why we never rebuilt before.
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2/11/2009  10:53 AM
his confidence is more than fine when he has the ball, it's just that they aren't looking to get him the ball much, as i've observed.

the idea, from what i've read, is to get him gradually involved.

this stuff doesn't happen overnight, when you've never played in the nba, been hurt and not even able to practice in your rookie season.

"IN YOUR ROOKIE SEASON."

if in a year or two we can see he is not developing, then so be it, although there have always been late bloomers.

the panic is just too much. no wonder i feel like barely reading or post these days.

the team is just not that good, yet.

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-11-2009 10:54 AM]
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2/11/2009  10:56 AM
not that i encourage drug use, but some of us might benefit from some:

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2/11/2009  10:58 AM
Posted by PresIke:
he looks scared ****less

this is just a completely empty comment.

breen even said it himself that one thing about him is that he is far from scared.

the patience level of too many knick fans leaves little wonder why we never rebuilt before.

You've added nothing to this conversation. Do you want to quote breen or post your own observations. Since you are obviously an authority, i'd like to hear what you have to say based on what you've seen with your own two eyes.
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2/11/2009  10:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.


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Gallo is still only playing in his 14th game though, but if the guy can't involved in a 270point playground game I'm not to sure if this guy can get involved in any game. He ain't ready, not in the lease.


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2/11/2009  11:08 AM
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he looks scared ****less

this is just a completely empty comment.

breen even said it himself that one thing about him is that he is far from scared.

the patience level of too many knick fans leaves little wonder why we never rebuilt before.

You've added nothing to this conversation. Do you want to quote breen or post your own observations. Since you are obviously an authority, i'd like to hear what you have to say based on what you've seen with your own two eyes.

so "nothing" is worthwhile to bring up unless i saw it with my own eyes?

no wonder gallo has gotten so much hate before he even stepped on the court.

from what i understand bringing up evidence to contrast a point of view does not qualify as nothing, even if i never saw gallo play.

of course, i have, and the idea was not to simply quote breen but to use it as a support for my own observations.

like when he hit a few shots in a row in a recent game (might have been the blazers) and was very intense, and looking nothing remotely close to afraid.

did you see that with your own eyes?

i'm not saying he is a finished product and i have seen him make mistakes, but let's not engage in selective memory, which is what you must be doing if you have seen those occasions when he has looked very confident, especially when he has the ball.

he struggles in man-to-man defense, and has for whatever reason not been highly involved in the offense, but that may be because he doesn't know it perfectly well yet. is that not even a possibility?
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2/11/2009  11:08 AM
I don't find it difficult to see why Gallo was not involved in this type of game. This game was all about the 1 on 1. Very little passing. Very little team ball. IMO Gallo is not that type of player. Most often he does not look to create for himself the first time he touches the ball. Al and Nate both seem to dominate the ball, and both had 20 shot attempts.
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2/11/2009  11:13 AM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by djsunyc:

playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.


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Gallo is still only playing in his 14th game though, but if the guy can't involved in a 270point playground game I'm not to sure if this guy can get involved in any game. He ain't ready, not it the lease.

i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise.

what's going on is new york city is not the "new yawk" it once was.

there have been MAJOR demographic changes in new york city over the past decade, that have increased even more in the past few years.

the knicks have sucked so it's been much easier for non-knick fans, including international nba fans visiting or living in nyc for short periods, to attend games.

that's why you see kobe getting big cheers. there are a lot of people in nyc, but they aren't necessarily loyal to the knicks. they just live here...usually not born and raised, which is more likely going to lead one to be a knick fan.

"international" fans could care less about "international" players. What they support are players from their own country.

International fans, i.e. not-U.S. don't just root for any non-American player.

Gallo is Italian, and I don't think the number Italians living in New York or more importantly as dedicated to basketball is the same as countries like Spain or Germany. I've yet to see in any game this year huge contingents of Italians coming out for Gallo. When Portland was in town there were spain flags everywhere. When Dallas was, there was a large German contingent.

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2/11/2009  11:19 AM
to re-emphasize...

Spain is VERY big on basketball, and has a number of very good players.

That's why there were Navarro chants, or huge calls for Portland players when I went earlier in the year.

Gallo is not going to get support from Spainish citizens.
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2/11/2009  11:23 AM
"i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise."

Why don't you just say that this is your opinion instead of trying to come off as some sort of expert. Do you really have to insult all of us because you have a different opinion? I highly doubt that there are any demographic records on ticket sales at the garden that you can produce....Oh, and please try not to fall off of your high horse...sheesh, what a ****ing jerk
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2/11/2009  11:25 AM
Posted by Rookie:

"i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise."

Why don't you just say that this is your opinion instead of trying to come off as some sort of expert. Do you really have to insult all of us because you have a different opinion? I highly doubt that there are any demographic records on ticket sales at the garden that you can produce....Oh, and please try not to fall off of your high horse...sheesh, what a ****ing jerk

Rookie, calm down. No need to go overboard here. thanks.
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2/11/2009  11:33 AM
Bottom line is that if we don't run a three point play for the kid, he probably isn't involved in the offense at all. I don't if that is who he is, but I really didn't think a player that limited should be picked at 6th.
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2/11/2009  11:35 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by djsunyc:

playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.


Powerful stuff.



Gallo is still only playing in his 14th game though, but if the guy can't involved in a 270point playground game I'm not to sure if this guy can get involved in any game. He ain't ready, not it the lease.

i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise.

what's going on is new york city is not the "new yawk" it once was.

there have been MAJOR demographic changes in new york city over the past decade, that have increased even more in the past few years.

the knicks have sucked so it's been much easier for non-knick fans, including international nba fans visiting or living in nyc for short periods, to attend games.

that's why you see kobe getting big cheers. there are a lot of people in nyc, but they aren't necessarily loyal to the knicks. they just live here...usually not born and raised, which is more likely going to lead one to be a knick fan.

"international" fans could care less about "international" players. What they support are players from their own country.

International fans, i.e. not-U.S. don't just root for any non-American player.

Gallo is Italian, and I don't think the number Italians living in New York or more importantly as dedicated to basketball is the same as countries like Spain or Germany. I've yet to see in any game this year huge contingents of Italians coming out for Gallo. When Portland was in town there were spain flags everywhere. When Dallas was, there was a large German contingent.

the knicks were slated to go to europe this summer as part of the "nba in europe" thing they've been doing the past few years...but it may be cut b/c of the US economy.

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2/11/2009  11:55 AM
Posted by Rookie:

"i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise."

Why don't you just say that this is your opinion instead of trying to come off as some sort of expert. Do you really have to insult all of us because you have a different opinion? I highly doubt that there are any demographic records on ticket sales at the garden that you can produce....Oh, and please try not to fall off of your high horse...sheesh, what a ****ing jerk

actually, i do have access to some info, and you don't know if am an expert or not.

i spend a great deal of time looking at urban trends and research.

in fact there was just a study done about changing demographics in new york city about the middle class, and the recent census showed huge changes in neighborhoods as well. here is a recent post by Richard Florida about some of the underlying issues, which i am alluding to:

http://www.creativeclass.com/creative_class/2009/02/09/the-city-is-spiky/

also, where did i "insult everyone" either?

i was referring to the specific comments made by a few posters, not the entire forum.

as for insults...

it's at least as, or more, insulting to someone who we are labeling "international" to assume they will just root for any international player.

i could also take it as an insult for you telling me i am not an expert when perhaps i may be. just to let you know, i don't go shooting my mouth off as an expert on things i am not an expert on, or make one observation and then take a huge leap in assumptions as a result.

this is pretty much how some of the worst stereotypes about all kinds of things get created and reinforced.

i'm sorry if that bothers you as know-it-all-sounding. i'm just speaking from where i come from.

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-11-2009 11:55 AM]
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2/11/2009  11:56 AM
I turned against the internationals when I saw "The Wave" being done at MSG.

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2/11/2009  11:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by djsunyc:

playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.


Powerful stuff.



Gallo is still only playing in his 14th game though, but if the guy can't involved in a 270point playground game I'm not to sure if this guy can get involved in any game. He ain't ready, not it the lease.

i strongly disagree, and think this is going WAYYYY too far without examining trends in nyc or what's behind player support (internationally) more closely, or with much expertise.

what's going on is new york city is not the "new yawk" it once was.

there have been MAJOR demographic changes in new york city over the past decade, that have increased even more in the past few years.

the knicks have sucked so it's been much easier for non-knick fans, including international nba fans visiting or living in nyc for short periods, to attend games.

that's why you see kobe getting big cheers. there are a lot of people in nyc, but they aren't necessarily loyal to the knicks. they just live here...usually not born and raised, which is more likely going to lead one to be a knick fan.

"international" fans could care less about "international" players. What they support are players from their own country.

International fans, i.e. not-U.S. don't just root for any non-American player.

Gallo is Italian, and I don't think the number Italians living in New York or more importantly as dedicated to basketball is the same as countries like Spain or Germany. I've yet to see in any game this year huge contingents of Italians coming out for Gallo. When Portland was in town there were spain flags everywhere. When Dallas was, there was a large German contingent.

the knicks were slated to go to europe this summer as part of the "nba in europe" thing they've been doing the past few years...but it may be cut b/c of the US economy.

interesting. i didn't know that.

btw, you should know i didn't mean to insult you, b.

to actually support your point, if the knicks could ever get good again, with such a large number of european and other international born individuals living in new york city, the could reap the benefits with a much bigger following than just nyc folks. maybe that is part of their thinking.

that's how it worked for jordan, and why i can see how they would LOVE to have lebron on the team even more than perhaps anyone else, even if they never win a title.
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2/11/2009  12:00 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I turned against the internationals when I saw "The Wave" being done at MSG.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-11-2009 11:57]

haha....i hate the wave too...i don't know if that's international fans as much as others who are just not there for the game as much as the "experience" of being at a game.
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2/11/2009  12:05 PM
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If Gallinari is so good and healthy why doesnt he start

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