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Pharzeone
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2/4/2009  2:03 PM
Hey dj, do Raptor fans have the same issue with Brandon Roy or Aldridge over Bragnani?
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2/4/2009  2:16 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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sorry but Pac10 big man have a long and storied history of being weak NBA players.

Lopez shot 47% in college. A 'dominating' 7 footer shooting 47% in the Pac 10. Sorry but that stinks.

Lopez had a great game against Francisco Elson.

Lopez is so physical and Duncan like he gets to the line 2 times a game.

Lopez's ceiling is probably a lot lower than Camby's. He's got no IQ on offence. He's tall and chucks a lot of balls at the basket and some fall in. He's a good help defender using his length well and he is a very average rebounder for his size.

Galinari was picked because of his ceiling. Athletic guys that are 7 feet and can put the ball on the floor and shoot from anywhere are impact high ceiling players. He's also not soft. He's very aggressive on defense and clearly has an NBA skill set to be a bigtime player. My only concern at this point would be his health.

Lopez isnt bad. He plays on a team with no bigmen at all. Nazr Mohammed at games where he scored 20 and grabbed 20 rebounds. Duncan? Seriously... meds

When did Gallinari morph into 7 feet?
Right now with his minutes he is averaging 6 points, 2 rebounds, .8 stls, .8 assists and .30 blocks with 13 minutes. What stat jumps off the board at you right now to make this a no brainer over Lopez. Get healthy? Will this be the mantra for his career? Well you know if he was healthy all those years he would be in Kobe's class? Meds indeed.
Gallinari was 6'10 when he was drafted at 19. Surely he has grown at least one more inch and will probably grow another 2 or so and end up at 7'1 (ish) by the time he is 22. If there is any confusion about the growth of NBA prospect see some of Brigg's "we must draft Andrew Bynum" threads.

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LOL.
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2/4/2009  2:23 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hey dj, do Raptor fans have the same issue with Brandon Roy or Aldridge over Bragnani?

raps fans right now are going nuts and sh tting over everybody. including trading bosh and firing colangelo views. with that said, it's always been roy or gay over bargs. aldridge not so much b/c they know he and bosh wouldn't have worked well together. i would say it's about 30% pro bargs, 70% trade bargs.
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2/4/2009  2:27 PM
Briggs your top guy was Anthony Randolph. You should be sticking to that pick through thick and thin.

If you were making the Knicks pick at the draft you would have picked Randolph over Lopez.

I wanted OJ Mayo personally, I think we should have done whatever it took to get OJ Mayo. I thought he had superstar potential and was obtainable. You don't see me whining every few days on how we didn't trade for Mayo. You also don't see my trying to put Gallo down in order to promote Mayo.

Gallo has great potential as a scorer and intangible guy. He will be a nice compliment to any star player.

I remeber when you were so big on Chris Kaman when he came out. He seemed to have fizzled out, as has Andrew Bogut which you were also so high on. So has Eddie Curry.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

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How can you be a Knick fan and want Gallinari to be a bust? This was not is not a Gallinari scks thread. I would NOT have taken him at 6 or even 13 but that doesnt mean he wont be a good NBA player. The fact is at 6 it is EXTREMELY risky taking a player who did not compete playing USA basketball versus a Lopez for example and the risk to me is to high. It's not like we drafted a 7-3 C--we drafted a gangly SF who lacks NBA athletic ability for his position. I cant believe the guys making the decisions for the Knicks passed on Lopez when Curry was coming off knee surgey. This was a GREAT GREAT chance to get a post player and we passed. Walsh did not make this pick---he Ok'd it[although that is his ultimate responsibility] who are the guys who came to Walsh and said this has to be our guy--is it the same clogs who took Frye?

In terms of the Gallinari as bust issue... it Just something I sense at times with people on this site- people really like to be proven correct with their player evaluations and predictions. Seeing Gallinari fail actually validates the opinions certain folks had/have of him. I understand that I could be wrong, but it is a feeling I have from reading posts.

He was a very well scouted player in Europe- he was not a Fredrick Weiss in an Armani uniform, and as I said, his skill set fits in well with MDA's system of BB.

Time will tell all, and there is really nothing to do at this point.

I think you can make a case that Miami and Minny should have taken Lopez over Beasley and Love, by the way, based on what we have seen so far, but it is simply too early to reach the kinds of conclusions on players that people routinely reach on UK.


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2/4/2009  3:13 PM
Stick by your guns and stop shifting thoughts, players and opinions every week and acting like you were on top of things from the start..


I did when we had the picks. I picked Amare Stoudemire when we had 7 and Andrew Bynum when we had 9 and look I wanted Bosh Wade or Kaman and settled on Sweetney in 2003. That draft was very top heavy. This year there really were a multitude of players anyone couldve picked from. There was no real one guy that stood that far from another one and if you really paid attention to it you really couldve put 10-12 names in there--impossible to stick with 1. I didnt think Lopez would drop and then after we hired Dantoni I dint think there was a chance that wed take him--so I shifted over to faster more athletic guys that I thought would fit with mcgee and Randolph--doesnt mean I think they are better prospects than Lopez.

A flip flopper would not post 500 times why we should take Bynum. A flip flopper would nopt post 300 times why we should take Amare Stoudemire. When you hire a coach right in the process and you have so much talent in the pool--a lot of names will come out. You don't follow college basketball--how can you even give an opinion--by using draft sites?
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2/4/2009  3:17 PM
Hey Briggs, stop with your "I'm better than you attitude" on this website because nobody here respects that anymore. Stop thinking you know more than anyone else because you "watch more basketball". You're basically saying you're smarter than everyone else in this forum and that everyone should listen to you. Your opinion is not gold. It is what it is - an opinion. If you can't accept the fact that not many people agree with you then I don't know what to say. If they don't agree, they don't agree. But stop shoving your opinion down our throats 365 days a year. We have gotten the point more than enough on many of your key issues.
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2/4/2009  3:27 PM
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Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?
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2/4/2009  3:50 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Hey Briggs, stop with your "I'm better than you attitude" on this website because nobody here respects that anymore. Stop thinking you know more than anyone else because you "watch more basketball". You're basically saying you're smarter than everyone else in this forum and that everyone should listen to you. Your opinion is not gold. It is what it is - an opinion. If you can't accept the fact that not many people agree with you then I don't know what to say. If they don't agree, they don't agree. But stop shoving your opinion down our throats 365 days a year. We have gotten the point more than enough on many of your key issues.

I could care less if he thinks he is better than everyone. Maybe he is. Maybe he is one of the most amazing basketball minds in the history of the world. Even though he changes his mood more than he will care to admit I have no problem with his predictions and analysis. My only problem with Briggs is that he doesn't really have an endgame. What is the point of stating the same thing over and over again. Does he want us to applaud him, apologize to him, what? Why say the same thing over and over again? I guess I don't get the point. Is there nothing else to talk about?
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2/4/2009  3:56 PM
Never mind, I just figured it out. Briggs thinks this board is riddled with Knick employees, so he is yelling at them. I got it. I'm right on this one.
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2/4/2009  3:57 PM
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.

having Roberson and Rose on the floor is like going 4 on 5, so it's not really any help.
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Never mind, I just figured it out. Briggs thinks this board is riddled with Knick employees, so he is yelling at them. I got it. I'm right on this one.

Wasn't there a point where many posters on here were convinced that Isiah had spies posting here. Hell, king should just come out and say I get 10% of Lee's contract.
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Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.

having Roberson and Rose on the floor is like going 4 on 5, so it's not really any help.

Not to start a Groundhog topic but why did we sign Roberson again?
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2/4/2009  4:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.

technically, wouldn't that help every *other* player's +/- and not necessarily mean that bench player would be measuring up pretty well in that category (if you put stock in those stats)?

[Edited by - Masterplan on 02-04-2009 4:07 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.

having Roberson and Rose on the floor is like going 4 on 5, so it's not really any help.

Not to start a Groundhog topic but why did we sign Roberson again?

I can name at least 13 summer league free-agents that I would have taken over Roberson
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2/4/2009  4:14 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

Not to diminish Gallinari's role but isn't it more about another fresh body on the court. I mean it was insane when the coach was talking about fatigue not being a problem with a 7 man rotation. For whatever reason, the coach refuses to play Roberson and Rose. Getting a couple minutes to catch your breath can't be a bad thing.

having Roberson and Rose on the floor is like going 4 on 5, so it's not really any help.

Not to start a Groundhog topic but why did we sign Roberson again?

I can name at least 13 summer league free-agents that I would have taken over Roberson

Van Wafer is one, Roberson's backup during SL.
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2/4/2009  4:15 PM
knicks should've signed action jackson over roberson...and action weighs close to 250.
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2/4/2009  4:16 PM
I want to find the mother f'er that signed Roberson and do to him whatever it is we are going to do to the guy that drafted Galinari when we find out who that is.......Don't worry Briggs we'll find out who it is on this board that is responsible, and we will bring them to justice. I have my ways of finding out information. Secret ways.

Pharzeone: Are you the guy that signed Roberson?



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