Posted by KnicksSince88:

Nate played better last night, in his first start at PG of the season, than Chris Duhon has ever played at any level at any point in his life. And Nates not even a PG. Duhon never had a night like that in the NBA, he never had a night like that at Duke. He might have had a game like that in high school. Maybe. I stress maybe. D'Antoni can sure get a lot out of that position, if we even had an average PG he would put up big numbers here. Instead we have a below average scrub in Duhon who's numbers get elevated to merely "respectable". D'Antoni is like steroids for PGs

Posted by martin:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Nate played better last night, in his first start at PG of the season, than Chris Duhon has ever played at any level at any point in his life. And Nates not even a PG. Duhon never had a night like that in the NBA, he never had a night like that at Duke. He might have had a game like that in high school. Maybe. I stress maybe. D'Antoni can sure get a lot out of that position, if we even had an average PG he would put up big numbers here. Instead we have a below average scrub in Duhon who's numbers get elevated to merely "respectable". D'Antoni is like steroids for PGs

Next to DLee, I think most would agree that this "below average scrub" is the team MVP.

I would agree that Nate had better stats than Duhon and probably could do it over and over, but I am not sure if he is the better PG right now.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know how the Knicks couldnt let Nate go again at starting PG. He was an NBA first team all star level player last night. The only thing that stopped him from more outrageous numbers was obvious fatigue. At the minimum --after that performance IF the Knicks are smart--and since they are kind of out of it---experiment for the next 3 games with Nate as the starting PG. We blew that game again. Not because of Nate--Nate was the conduit that put us up for the most part. Nate's talent level is off the charts. Think some posters here merely want to waive him or accept a second round pick in 2018. If Dantoni and the Knicks are smart--they will give Nate a prolonged look. How could they not. I think you would have to go back to Michael Ray to find something remotely similar

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know how the Knicks couldnt let Nate go again at starting PG. He was an NBA first team all star level player last night. The only thing that stopped him from more outrageous numbers was obvious fatigue. At the minimum --after that performance IF the Knicks are smart--and since they are kind of out of it---experiment for the next 3 games with Nate as the starting PG. We blew that game again. Not because of Nate--Nate was the conduit that put us up for the most part. Nate's talent level is off the charts. Think some posters here merely want to waive him or accept a second round pick in 2018. If Dantoni and the Knicks are smart--they will give Nate a prolonged look. How could they not. I think you would have to go back to Michael Ray to find something remotely similar

I agree. I have never really viewed Nate as a PG, more of a combo guard, but i have zero doubt in my mind if the guy played the position 35-40 minutes a night for 82 games he would give us far superior play than the guy playing there now is giving us. 15 assists and 1 turnover, i don't care if it was against the clippers or the St Johns redstorm. The performance is certainly worthy of a longer look. And hes certainly a better basketball player than the guy putting up a 13 efficiency rating for us right now. In his first start of the season at PG, he played better than Duhon has ever played, or is capable of playing, in his life

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Martin, if his first game was an anomaly (and to some degree it was, he wont average 33, 15, 9 and 5), its interesting that that anomaly, in his first crack at it this year in a starting role, was better than Duhon has ever displayed the ability to play at any level, even Duke. What are the odds of that?

Posted by martin:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Martin, if his first game was an anomaly (and to some degree it was, he wont average 33, 15, 9 and 5), its interesting that that anomaly, in his first crack at it this year in a starting role, was better than Duhon has ever displayed the ability to play at any level, even Duke. What are the odds of that?

i was just thinking about what both Duhon and Nate accomplished in college and remembered one of the players won a national championship as a starting PG and one didn't, but you keep bringing up an empty stat line against a 13-40 team in a game that was a loss, cause that brings the heat in a debate.

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Put it this way, if we took salaries and contract status completely out of the equation, and the entire Knick team was made available in an expansion draft to the other 29 NBA teams. Where do you think Duhon would be drafted? He might not even go in the top 5. They would take Lee over him, they would take Nate over him, they would take Chandler and his upside over him. Possibly even take Gallo and his upside over him. Some teams would even take ball hog Harrington

Just this past offseason after 300 games in the NBA and 4 years at Duke, more than enough time to evaluate someones worth as a basketball player, Duhon hit FA and had the leagues GMs completely uninterested in adding him in any real capacity. The Knicks were the only team to offer him a starting role, only going 2 years. The Magic were the only other offer he had (to back up Nelson). He's just not that good. Plenty of guys can do what hes doing here. The GMs in the league saw that this offseason, thats why no one would touch him to be their starter

Hes making very little money and is signed past this year. In theory if he was any good he would be a nice guy to trade, but he would likely net us very little because most teams in the league have someone better at the position than duhon

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 02-12-2009 2:52 PM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Put it this way, if we took salaries and contract status completely out of the equation, and the entire Knick team was made available in an expansion draft to the other 29 NBA teams. Where do you think Duhon would be drafted? He might not even go in the top 5. They would take Lee over him, they would take Nate over him, they would take Chandler and his upside over him. Possibly even take Gallo and his upside over him. Some teams would even take ball hog Harrington

Just this past offseason after 300 games in the NBA and 4 years at Duke, more than enough time to evaluate someones worth as a basketball player, Duhon hit FA and had the leagues GMs completely uninterested in adding him in any real capacity. The Knicks were the only team to offer him a starting role, only going 2 years. The Magic were the only other offer he had (to back up Nelson). He's just not that good. Plenty of guys can do what hes doing here. The GMs in the league saw that this offseason, thats why no one would touch him to be their starter

Hes making very little money and is signed past this year. In theory if he was any good he would be a nice guy to trade, but he would likely net us very little because most teams in the league have someone better at the position than duhon

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 02-12-2009 2:52 PM]

you have just switched the main thrust of your opinion a few posts back from "Nate is a better PG than Duhon" to "Duhon is caca".

I don't argue that Duhon was a second line PG who didn't have a ton of options in free agency. He wanted to start on a team and that fact did limit his options; and he wanted to start to show teams that he was not a career backup.

These are the players that Duhon has had the pleasure of trying to assist: Jefferies, Q, Crawford, Zbo, Harrington, collins (those are the chuckers/bricklayers list); Lee, Chandler, TT, nate.

I think he has done pretty well all things considered.