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12/5/2008  10:33 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh's grade: incomplete
knicks fans' grade: D minus

D minus is still passing though right?
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12/5/2008  10:54 AM
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Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.
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12/5/2008  10:59 AM
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Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.
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12/5/2008  11:27 AM
Posted by Erniecat:

This is one of the most ridiculous "serious" posts I've seen on this forum. (I'm assuming this was not meant as a joke.)

The bottom line is, Walsh has given the Knicks an actual future, and he did it pretty quickly. We now have a chance to sign perhaps two superstars in 2010, thanks to Walsh.

A couple of months ago, Randolph was considered untradable. (Remember how Isiah was blasted for taking on Zach's contract.) So we pump up his value and dump him without taking back any deals that go after next season. Yeah, sounds like he deserves a D for that move.

Yes, he should have released Marbury in training camp, we all know that. But overall, I love what Walsh is doing -- which is basically the opposite of what Zeke did.

I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at where we are today and questioning how we got here. My criticism stems from watching us play short handed for too many games in a row. Our schedule is brutal. The guys are beat down, banged up and we still have a bunch of road games against good teams and two more back to backs. We'll see if everyone is still thinking happy thoughts if a couple more of our starters go down with injuries. How would you like to lose Duhon for a month because of the moves management have made?

"The bottom line is, Walsh has given the Knicks an actual future, and he did it pretty quickly. We now have a chance to sign perhaps two superstars in 2010, thanks to Walsh."

Woop de doo. If you want to wait two years to watch two superstars play good for you. The headlines will be full of what could be scenarios with guarantees on championship titles to dream about. I would like to see our team become more competitive now. To me, that means building a balanced team that can be fun to watch and will win some games. Sneaking into the playoffs would be a great start even if we don't get past the first round. Don't think we'll get there if we keep losing games that we could have won like the Portland game. We lost that game because we were short handed. The thought of our coach having to ask Marbury to play because we needed another guard makes me sick. Everything has been down hill from there. If you want to think that everything is going according to plan then great, I don't.

"A couple of months ago, Randolph was considered untradable. (Remember how Isiah was blasted for taking on Zach's contract.) So we pump up his value and dump him without taking back any deals that go after next season. Yeah, sounds like he deserves a D for that move."

Considered untradeable by who? By you? The experts like Berman? The Knicks faithful? Obviously you were all wrong about that. There are teams that aren't going to sleepwalk until 2010 who can use a 20/10 guy like Randolf. We traded him early in the season for nothing in return. The guy was putting up allstar type numbers and hasn't been a problem or a distraction since he's been here. again, if you're satisfied with Tim Thomas for Randolf good for you, I'm not. I think we could have done better if we had waited. In fact, if we had waited we wouldn't be playing shorthanded right now.

"Yes, he should have released Marbury in training camp, we all know that. But overall, I love what Walsh is doing -- which is basically the opposite of what Zeke did."

If you like reading about controversy in the papers everyday or can turn a blind eye to it, then you should be happy. I for one would like to see the controversies surrounding this team go away. If this was their plan and you like it then you should be very happy. I would like to move forward and never read another Marbury quote. Having him gone before camp would have been a good move in my opinion.

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12/5/2008  1:13 PM
Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:

Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.

The amount of playing time isn't the point. The fact that any playing time was given to a rookie that hadn't played in any exhibition games and barely practiced with the team contradicts your argument that Curry wasn't given playing time because he wasn't fit or prepared to play.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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12/5/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:

Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.

The amount of playing time isn't the point. The fact that any playing time was given to a rookie that hadn't played in any exhibition games and barely practiced with the team contradicts your argument that Curry wasn't given playing time because he wasn't fit or prepared to play.

no it doesn't. it doesn't show that Gallo was not in shape nor didn't know how to fit into MDA's offense.
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12/5/2008  1:28 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.

The amount of playing time isn't the point. The fact that any playing time was given to a rookie that hadn't played in any exhibition games and barely practiced with the team contradicts your argument that Curry wasn't given playing time because he wasn't fit or prepared to play.

no it doesn't. it doesn't show that Gallo was not in shape nor didn't know how to fit into MDA's offense.

The fact that immediately after those first 2 games, the Knicks decided to sit Gallinari indefinitely, shows that he wasn't physically ready to play in those games.

So a 19 year old rookie is going to come from the Euroleague and understand D'Antoni's system without practicing or playing in any games??? Umm ok.
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12/5/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.

The amount of playing time isn't the point. The fact that any playing time was given to a rookie that hadn't played in any exhibition games and barely practiced with the team contradicts your argument that Curry wasn't given playing time because he wasn't fit or prepared to play.

no it doesn't. it doesn't show that Gallo was not in shape nor didn't know how to fit into MDA's offense.

The fact that immediately after those first 2 games, the Knicks decided to sit Gallinari indefinitely, shows that he wasn't physically ready to play in those games.

So a 19 year old rookie is going to come from the Euroleague and understand D'Antoni's system without practicing or playing in any games??? Umm ok.

Tell me exactly what you know about how much Galla has or has not picked up regarding MDA's system. Because I am thinking it's NADA.

Same with your knowledge on Curry.

And your insight into how the Knicks are handling Mobely.

And how much MDA is practicing and/or stressing defense in practice.

Nada.
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12/5/2008  1:43 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:

Curry came "in shape" into training camp and then abruptly sat out for that entire training camp bedridden and recovering from a bacterial infection. He was so bedridden and sick he had to get IVs administered by doctors back at the hotel. He played 3 short preseason games and looked lost. After 2 games he came up lame because of a bone bruise and a month later is still out and not getting a lick better because of something that happened a month prior.

I think Walsh and MDA orchestrated the whole bacterial infection thing and missing out on learning a new system during training camp thing so that they could purposely de-value their center.

That was the plan.

Isles, you have never been able to get past what is right in front of you to make a sensible argument.

You're right, my bad. I forgot about the infection. But Curry was back playing by the end of training camp and well enough to play in those exhibition games. Then he was DNP-CDed in the first 2 games, while a rookie who sat out all of training camp and the exhibition games with a bad back, that still hasn't healed, was given minutes in both of those games. Kind of odd, don't you think?

You're right, I've never been able to see what is right in front of me, like those of you who were fooled by Isiah for years.

Gallo has nothing to do with Curry.

My guess was that Curry was still in very bad game shape at the beginning of the season and didn't understand one iota of MDA's offense. To me that would be good enough reason not to play him.

How is that considered the GM devaluing a player?

You said that Curry getting DNP-CDed was because he wasn't fit to play and not because D'Antoni just decided not to play him. If that's the case then why was Gallinari given minutes in the first 2 games after sitting out training camp and preseason? Did Gallinari become familiar with D'Antoni's system through osmosis? Be consistent with your reasoning.

If a GM allows his head coach to DNP a veteran, not once but twice, that devalues the player.

dude, we are talking 4 and 8 minutes. That's garbage time for Gallo; that's not significant.

The amount of playing time isn't the point. The fact that any playing time was given to a rookie that hadn't played in any exhibition games and barely practiced with the team contradicts your argument that Curry wasn't given playing time because he wasn't fit or prepared to play.

no it doesn't. it doesn't show that Gallo was not in shape nor didn't know how to fit into MDA's offense.

The fact that immediately after those first 2 games, the Knicks decided to sit Gallinari indefinitely, shows that he wasn't physically ready to play in those games.

So a 19 year old rookie is going to come from the Euroleague and understand D'Antoni's system without practicing or playing in any games??? Umm ok.

Tell me exactly what you know about how much Galla has or has not picked up regarding MDA's system. Because I am thinking it's NADA.

Same with your knowledge on Curry.

And your insight into how the Knicks are handling Mobely.

And how much MDA is practicing and/or stressing defense in practice.

Nada.

You're right. I guess it's time to shutdown the board because none of us have any knowledge or insight into what is going on with the Knicks.

Nada.
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12/5/2008  2:53 PM
I give Walsh a "B".

With guys like Randolph, Curry, Marbury - you're never gonna look could no matter how you handle them. I don't think it's as easy as some on the board think to bump the value of guys that have disappointed multiple teams for multiple years. People around the league know what's going on with these guys.

Shedding or shortening some of the bad contracts was good work.

The draft in you want to grade it at this minute is a failure but I think that's premature.

I like the coach. I like that most of the headcases are off the team. I like that we have a lot of young guys playing a lot. I like that the team is more entertaining this year.

I didn't expect miracles. I felt the team was in a hole buried under bad contracts and bad attitudes. We're still digging our way out but going in the right direction.
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