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11/22/2008  10:14 PM
Again, I say, who cares about Marbury? Why do we care about Walsh D'Antoni are handling it. He's refusing to be bought out for less, so who cares how the situation is handled at this point? He's not part of the team, and we all know he sure as in hell hurt the team more than W'altoni hurt him.

We're 7-6 and that's all that should matter, and now we got players who know how to actually play basketball, coming here.
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Stephon Marbury Stephon Marbury told The Post today that Mike D'Antoni's portrayal that he refused to play in Friday's game in Milwaukee is inaccurate.

Marbury said his initial conversation with D'Antoni didn't last long enough for him to refuse to play.

According to Marbury, D'Antoni told him in the mid-afternoon he had 20-to-25 minutes for him in the wake of the Jamal Crawford Jamal Crawford trade. The conversation took place before the second trade left the team with just seven able bodies.

"He said, 'I have 20, 25 minutes for you if you want to play,'" Marbury said Saturday morning. "I said, 'You've told me you're going in another direction and I'm not in the plans.'"

At that point, D'Antoni didn't bother to press the issue, according to Marbury. "He had a smile on and just said, 'I totally understand it, I get you,'" Marbury said.

Marbury said he didn't think D'Antoni was upset and was shocked to read D'Antoni's rough comments in the newspaper today.

Later Friday, D'Antoni called Marbury in his hotel room in Milwaukee to tell him he had to dress because they were making another trade, sending Mardy Collins Mardy Collins and Zach Randolph to the Clippers. The trades left them with just seven players and league rules mandate eight players dress. According to Marbury, at no point did D'Antoni then ask him if he wanted him to play because of their manpower shortage.

"I just said, 'OK coach, I'll dress,'" Marbury said.

Marbury said he taped his ankles in anticipation of having to be called upon, especially if players were in foul trouble.

"Refusing to play is when the coach tries to put you in the game and you say you're not going in," Marbury said. "If he asked me to go into the game, I was going into the game. That's why I taped my ankles." For Saturday night's game vs. Washington, Jerome James Jerome James rejoined the team and the club had eight able bodies. Marbury was inactive again and D'Antoni said he didn't ask Marbury if he wanted to play in that game.

When asked if Marbury had committed insubordination or had violated his contract, team president Donnie Walsh said, "I'm not completely clear with what happened. I don't know the situation. He did dress up so we can have eight players. That helped us for that trade. I'm not lauding that because we're paying the player."

Saturday night, Marbury told a large group of reporters surrounding his locker he had "no comment" on why he didn't play Friday night.

Marbury admitted he wasn't enthused about playing because he hadn't scrimmaged in two-and-half weeks before Thursday after being ostracized by D'Antoni since the season opener. Marbury hasn't played yet this season and thought a 25-minute stint might be too much too soon.

D'Antoni bristled when Marbury's name was brought up. "It's done, it's over," D'Antoni said. "I think we made it clear [Friday] and what I said was the truth. That's what happened and we're not looking back."

Walsh's chances of trading Marbury are virtually nonexistent, with the Knicks New York Knicks president saying he's most likely still not willing to take a long-term deal. Walsh is expected to resume talks with Players' Association attorney Hal Biagas about a buyout proposal this week.

After the 104-87 Milwaukee slaughter during which the Knicks wore down physically, D'Antoni was even more agitated and called Marbury "a distraction."

"This is it, it's the last time I'm answering this question," D'Antoni said angrily. "I sat him down and said. 'One of the principles are gone, Jamal Crawford Jamal Crawford , there's 30-35 minutes out there that's yours if you want them.' He said the team's gone in a different direction and he wasn't comfortable and didn't want to play. We're going forward."

D'Antoni wanted Marbury released before training camp began and was overruled by Knicks brass. Marbury believes D'Antoni made a big issue over their conversation to force Walsh's hand.

As The Post first reported, Marbury stated in a meeting with Walsh 10 days ago he is willing to take less from the Knicks as long as he clears his full wage $21.9 million. Marbury is expected to sign for the veteran's minimum of $1.2 million with another club

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11/22/2008  10:19 PM
Hmmmm^^^ Marbury got dressed and prepared to play...Goddamn that punk bastard!

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11/22/2008  10:20 PM

Why confuse this issue with facts...

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11/22/2008  10:28 PM
Ewing Jr. said to keep #6 for him for when he returns. If its so unlikely to trade Marbury, and I know it is, the best way to look at this is to waive him and get Jr. back. Lets do that already and move on.

As quickly as we cleared cap for 2010, lets clear this mess for our sanity.
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11/22/2008  10:30 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Why confuse this issue with facts...


And lets stop caring. The important thing is we got 3 new Knicks. Not how Marbury is being treated. He treated the team like sheeot in the past too, in case you don't remember. What goes around comes around.
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11/22/2008  10:31 PM
We will never know the real truth, I tend to believe Steph because DT has been going out of his way to make him look bad and doing so in a cruel and unprofessional manner.
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11/22/2008  10:32 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:


And lets stop caring. The important thing is we got 3 new Knicks. Not how Marbury is being treated. He treated the team like sheeot in the past too, in case you don't remember. What goes around comes around.

That is an honest and sensible opinion that I can respect!

What is your feeling on the unnecessary soap opera?

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[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 10:33 PM]
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11/22/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Why confuse this issue with facts...


So where is the part where Marbury was told that night that he still was not in the plans? Sounds to me like Marbury was the one who said it. Marb is a piece of work. When D'antoni said theres a certain amount of minutes tonight, why respond with "I thought I wasn't in the plans?" Thats junior HS nonsense. Its pretty obvious it was an extreme circumstance and he was needed by his teammates. Seriously, just tell him to stay home.
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11/22/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by Uptown:

So where is the part where Marbury was told that night that he still was not in the plans? Sounds to me like Marbury was the one who said it. Marb is a piece of work. When D'antoni said theres a certain amount of minutes tonight, why respond with "I thought I wasn't in the plans?" Thats junior HS nonsense. Its pretty obvious it was an extreme circumstance and he was needed by his teammates. Seriously, just tell him to stay home.

Marbury said he taped his ankles in anticipation of having to be called upon, especially if players were in foul trouble.

"Refusing to play is when the coach tries to put you in the game and you say you're not going in," Marbury said. "If he asked me to go into the game, I was going into the game. That's why I taped my ankles."


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11/22/2008  10:44 PM
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11/22/2008  10:47 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:


Why confuse this issue with facts...


And lets stop caring. The important thing is we got 3 new Knicks. Not how Marbury is being treated. He treated the team like sheeot in the past too, in case you don't remember. What goes around comes around.

The whole idea was to move on from all the turmoil of the past years...Our present Coach and GM don't seem adept at that...MDA jumped at the chance to throw Marbs under the bus...Had he said nothing, it would have been a non-issue...Marbs is a boob and everyone knows that...

I just puzzle at the coach and his actions...

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11/22/2008  10:49 PM
It's a psychological thing. When the coach takes a stand against Marbury, a guy who basically had free reign to do whatever he wanted here, at the detriment of the team, it gets everyone else respecting him and understanding that no one player is above the squad. Its part of the reason why the team is so much more cohesive this year.
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11/22/2008  10:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:


The whole idea was to move on from all the turmoil of the past years...Our present Coach and GM don't seem adept at that...MDA jumped at the chance to throw Marbs under the bus...Had he said nothing, it would have been a non-issue...Marbs is a boob and everyone knows that...

I just puzzle at the coach and his actions...


I think Walsh and D'A stumbled out of the blocks when they didn't just banish Marb from the team when they figured he wasn;t in the plans. It doesn't make much since for him to sit on the bench in street clothes, visible to all and available to the press to make comments.

With that said, I just think D'A is a straight shooter. I dont think he will side-step any questions and will give you an honets assessment, for the most part. I wouldn;t say he jumped at a chance to throw Marb under the bus.

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11/22/2008  10:51 PM
My feeling is that Marbury should be bought out, but if the Knicks refuse to do it for the full contract, then I can understand. I don't know what is going behind the scenes. Maybe D'Antoni is acting like a douchebag to Marbury and I definitely don't support that but like I said, what goes around, comes around. Marbury was involved in so much crap with the Knicks. He should have had a good disciplinary action taken against him when he was giving Lenny Wilkins crap, and he didn't. There's no way he should have been on the team when Larry Brown was fired, b/c he was just as much a guilty party for that season, but he was still given the keys to lead the franchise. He should have been disciplined for HARD for coming in out of shape during the two Isiah coached seasons, (B/c of his Starbury promotion) and he wasn't. His contract should have been freaking voided after looking bad in court (Get in the truck), embarrassing himself and the team with the way he acted after that (With those pictures and all) AND the team being proven guilty. It sure wasn't. He should have been suspended for that Phoenix incident (Including the part where he threatened Isiah to air his dirty laundry) and he sure wasn't. Then you don't even know what to think when he went against the teams wishes to get surgery right away, but I'll give him that benefit because you don't know how bad his injury was.

That's why I just don't care how Marbury gets treated, Oohah. I respect that you really don't appreciate how he's dealing with Marbury, but it's my view. Stephon got away with soooo much crap during his tenure here, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling that he still has so many supporters. It's mind boggling that he's on the team. I guess we can thank Isiah for that. That's why, however, I said "Whatever goes around, comes around." Maybe Marbury deserves to be treated like sheeot for not, or maybe he doesn't. Maybe D'Antoni has been unprofessional with him and maybe he hasn't, but with the rest of the team, I think he's been great, considering what's been handed to him. That's all I care about now. I just want to be proud of the players (And I am for once) and I'm even proud of how D'Antoni has coached this team, and no, I'm not a lover of him. I have my fair share of critiques, believe me.

That's why I just wish Marbury can just go. Therefore Berman will go and therefore EVERYONE can just focus on one thing and one thing only. Basketball.
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11/22/2008  10:52 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:


Why confuse this issue with facts...


So where is the part where Marbury was told that night that he still was not in the plans? Sounds to me like Marbury was the one who said it. Marb is a piece of work. When D'antoni said theres a certain amount of minutes tonight, why respond with "I thought I wasn't in the plans?" Thats junior HS nonsense. Its pretty obvious it was an extreme circumstance and he was needed by his teammates. Seriously, just tell him to stay home.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3719230

With two moves, the New York Knicks created salary space for a premier free agent down the line and playing time for Stephon Marbury.

Except that Marbury declined.

After the Knicks traded Jamal Crawford to Golden State for Al Harrington, and sent Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins to the Los Angeles Clippers for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas, the bench was depleted. Needing the league-minimum eight active players to avoid a forfeit, coach Mike D'Antoni asked Marbury to dress.

D'Antoni said he told Marbury there would be 30 to 35 minutes of playing time available Friday against the Milwaukee Bucks.

However, the point guard again took his now-customary spot on the bench, where he has spent every minute this season, leaving the Knicks with only seven players in the opener of games on back-to-back nights.

The Knicks lost to the Bucks, 104-87.

"When the trades went down this afternoon, I said, 'Look Steph, one of the principals are gone, Jamal Crawford. There's 30 to 35 minutes out there, and they're yours if you want them. Are you ready to go?' " D'Antoni said.

According to D'Antoni, Marbury replied that he "wasn't comfortable with the situation, and he did not want to play. So at that point, I go, 'O.K., that's your decision, and that's fine.' That's it."

Marbury had a different view of the events.

"The only thing I'm at liberty to say is that I was told that they were moving forward, and I'm not the person who chooses who plays or doesn't," Marbury said.

But wasn't that at the beginning of the season?

"I was told that today, too," Marbury said.


Marbury refused to answer additional questions.

"I thought it was an opportunity for him to play, and I was kind of hoping," D'Antoni said. "But at the same time, there's consideration of a lot of guys in that locker room that are giving their hearts out. And those are the guys that I'm going to go on with, and those are the guys that I'm going to love, and those are the guys that are going to compete every night."

New York's new additions might not be available to play until Tuesday's game against Cleveland, leaving it considerably short-handed for the time being. The Knicks also play Saturday at home against Washington.

"Steph's a grown man," Knicks guard Chris Duhon said. "If he doesn't want to play, he doesn't want to play. It doesn't bother me at all. I was satisfied going to war with the seven guys we had."

D'Antoni said he did not consider Marbury's refusal to play an act of insubordination.

"He was in a tough situation," D'Antoni said. "I'm not mad at Steph. But that's enough of the talk because it is a distraction and we need to go forward and we have a new team coming in and we're going to get this done."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[Edited by - holfresh on 11-22-2008 10:53 PM]
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11/22/2008  10:53 PM
Posted by VDesai:

It's a psychological thing. When the coach takes a stand against Marbury, a guy who basically had free reign to do whatever he wanted here, at the detriment of the team, it gets everyone else respecting him and understanding that no one player is above the squad. Its part of the reason why the team is so much more cohesive this year.

I don't think it is all that psychodrama stuff. I think D'Antoni implemented a style that works for the players and has stuck to it.

Thomas or Brown could have "taken a stand" against Marbury and it would not have made a difference because their coaching was all over the place.

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11/22/2008  10:53 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:

So where is the part where Marbury was told that night that he still was not in the plans? Sounds to me like Marbury was the one who said it. Marb is a piece of work. When D'antoni said theres a certain amount of minutes tonight, why respond with "I thought I wasn't in the plans?" Thats junior HS nonsense. Its pretty obvious it was an extreme circumstance and he was needed by his teammates. Seriously, just tell him to stay home.

Marbury said he taped his ankles in anticipation of having to be called upon, especially if players were in foul trouble.

"Refusing to play is when the coach tries to put you in the game and you say you're not going in," Marbury said. "If he asked me to go into the game, I was going into the game. That's why I taped my ankles."


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I agree with Uptown on the part about Marbury saying "I thought I wasn't part of the plans" That was really childish. Unless it was a tongue in cheek type of thing which I doubt.

But if him strapping up is correct and D'Antoni decided not to play him because of those comments. I wouldn't count it as refusal to play.

D'Antoni offerd him mins, Marbury declined. Send Marbury home until they can agree on a buyout and move on.
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11/22/2008  10:57 PM
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My feeling is that Marbury should be bought out, but if the Knicks refuse to do it for the full contract, then I can understand. I don't know what is going behind the scenes. Maybe D'Antoni is acting like a douchebag to Marbury and I definitely don't support that but like I said, what goes around, comes around. Marbury was involved in so much crap with the Knicks. He should have had a good disciplinary action taken against him when he was giving Lenny Wilkins crap, and he didn't. There's no way he should have been on the team when Larry Brown was fired, b/c he was just as much a guilty party for that season, but he was still given the keys to lead the franchise. He should have been disciplined for HARD for coming in out of shape during the two Isiah coached seasons, (B/c of his Starbury promotion) and he wasn't. His contract should have been freaking voided after looking bad in court (Get in the truck), embarrassing himself and the team with the way he acted after that (With those pictures and all) AND the team being proven guilty. It sure wasn't. He should have been suspended for that Phoenix incident (Including the part where he threatened Isiah to air his dirty laundry) and he sure wasn't. Then you don't even know what to think when he went against the teams wishes to get surgery right away, but I'll give him that benefit because you don't know how bad his injury was.

That's why I just don't care how Marbury gets treated, Oohah. I respect that you really don't appreciate how he's dealing with Marbury, but it's my view. Stephon got away with soooo much crap during his tenure here, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling that he still has so many supporters. It's mind boggling that he's on the team. I guess we can thank Isiah for that. That's why, however, I said "Whatever goes around, comes around." Maybe Marbury deserves to be treated like sheeot for not, or maybe he doesn't. Maybe D'Antoni has been unprofessional with him and maybe he hasn't, but with the rest of the team, I think he's been great, considering what's been handed to him. That's all I care about now. I just want to be proud of the players (And I am for once) and I'm even proud of how D'Antoni has coached this team, and no, I'm not a lover of him. I have my fair share of critiques, believe me.

That's why I just wish Marbury can just go. Therefore Berman will go and therefore EVERYONE can just focus on one thing and one thing only. Basketball.

Like I said I totally respect your position, and it makes sense. By the way, I am no supporter of Marbury, I am a supporter of no soap operas. This is D'Antoni and Walsh's soap opera. D'Antoni doesn't get it, and Walsh is pretending not to know about it.

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11/22/2008  10:57 PM
And one more thing Oohah, I said this to holfresh a week or 2 ago. I DO wish Marbury would be bought out today. And I do wish it's done in a professional matter. However, if Walsh wants to hold his stance that he's not going to buyout the full contract so he can go to a team like Miami, then I support that. Let Marbury's skills rot on the bench, b/c that's Marbury's own fault for not letting go of a few extra million, which he can make up for in his next contract along with his Starburys.

The only way it hurts us is because we don't get a chance to sign Patrick Ewing Jr, which we can always grab him during the Summer, after a year in which he hopefully practiced hard on his shooting. I mean, yeah, he's a very talented player (Marbury) but the other guys can pick it up and I have faith that they will.

There's nothing much else I have to say. It's a redundant subject to me and it's boring for me to talk about because I'm sick of Marbury (And no, I don't hate him. I think he has a lot of good in him too.).
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