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purple012870
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11/21/2008  4:54 PM
I think Mardy might have been the worst Knick G since Edmund Sherod !
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11/21/2008  4:55 PM
We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]
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11/21/2008  4:56 PM
Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

i think nate will be here and i wouldn't be surprised if they held onto Duhon as well.
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11/21/2008  4:56 PM
I may be in the minority here but I hoped we would get a young player or a pick out of a Zach Randolph trade. Yeah, we got all the expiring contracts we needed, but still, if this is rebuilding mode and we are clearly giving up the best players to teams that definitely want to win now, they at least should send a 2009 or 2010 pick.
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11/21/2008  4:57 PM
I'm just grateful someone would take Zach without demanding we give up a pick in return.
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11/21/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]

You can't expect a good draft pick back when you're dumping your big long term contracts on someone else. Walsh is having enough troubles with his own draft picks anyway. Gallinari has set the Knicks back already. Walsh can't afford another screwup.
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11/21/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I may be in the minority here but I hoped we would get a young player or a pick out of a Zach Randolph trade. Yeah, we got all the expiring contracts we needed, but still, if this is rebuilding mode and we are clearly giving up the best players to teams that definitely want to win now, they at least should send a 2009 or 2010 pick.

The Clips pick will be in the top 5. They'd be crazy to deal it. I'm happy with the trades. Last year nobody would have ever imagined these trades going through.
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11/21/2008  4:58 PM
One SG traded 10mil. One PF traded 17mil. 2010 cap space... Priceless!!!

Walsh is vindicated and all fans rejoice!!!
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11/21/2008  4:59 PM
how the hell do u guys think Mardy is a bad palyer... smh
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11/21/2008  5:00 PM
Posted by tkf:

while it may seems like mobley is no longer a player, that is far from the truth. Guy has always been tough as nails, and won't back down to physical play...

Agreed. He has always been a Knick killer. If I remember right, he actually plays D too.
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11/21/2008  5:01 PM
Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]

I believe that Curry will play at some point and will either succeed with D'Antoni in a way that makes any free agent wanna come to play with him (no, Im into no drugs, I know this is a highly unlikely supposition, thats why I add the second part) or get his value up in the next two seasons so we get something out of him. He could also just opt out, which would just free cap space but I don't think that helps now.

But I did wanted a pick in any of this deals and feel a little disappointed we didn't get one. But we are waiting on an official announcement on the Zach trade so Ill keep my little hopes alive.
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Posted by nixluva:

One SG traded 10mil. One PF traded 17mil. 2010 cap space... Priceless!!!

Walsh is vindicated and all fans rejoice!!!

Crawford had some value. He should have traded Zach months ago. He drafted a 19 yr old with a 49 yr old back.

Nobody is vindicated yet.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]

You can't expect a good draft pick back when you're dumping your big long term contracts on someone else. Walsh is having enough troubles with his own draft picks anyway. Gallinari has set the Knicks back already. Walsh can't afford another screwup.

So thats the reason not to get a pick? Please.
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11/21/2008  5:05 PM
Gallo didn't have a bad back when drafted. He got hurt. Happens. Let's hope he gets healthy, b/c a 6'10" dude with his skill set is pretty exciting.
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11/21/2008  5:05 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I may be in the minority here but I hoped we would get a young player or a pick out of a Zach Randolph trade. Yeah, we got all the expiring contracts we needed, but still, if this is rebuilding mode and we are clearly giving up the best players to teams that definitely want to win now, they at least should send a 2009 or 2010 pick.

The Clips pick will be in the top 5. They'd be crazy to deal it. I'm happy with the trades. Last year nobody would have ever imagined these trades going through.

It might not be top 5 now that they have Zach. He may not be a star or whatever, but he does know how to score and get rebounds and will balance their team that really really needed low post scoring. To guarantee their pick will be top 5 is crazy until Zach's impact on the team is seen.
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11/21/2008  5:07 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]

You can't expect a good draft pick back when you're dumping your big long term contracts on someone else. Walsh is having enough troubles with his own draft picks anyway. Gallinari has set the Knicks back already. Walsh can't afford another screwup.

So thats the reason not to get a pick? Please.

Well yeah. Dumping a notorious malcontent with a ridiculously large contract that prevents you from having any hope for getting under the cap in 2010. I'd say that's enough. Don't be greedy. Just say thank you to the Clippers and run away laughing.
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11/21/2008  5:08 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Gallo didn't have a bad back when drafted. He got hurt. Happens. Let's hope he gets healthy, b/c a 6'10" dude with his skill set is pretty exciting.

I hope the back issue can be solved with rest and he can come back at some point this season. That said, I've read that in cases similar to his the recommendation is surgery. I hope rest takes care of it because he is a huge part of this team's future.
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11/21/2008  5:10 PM
Clippers get Zach Randolph from Knicks for Mobley, Thomas
The forward is averaging 20.5 points and 12.5 rebounds for New York. Mardy Collis is also part of the deal.
By Lisa Dillman

1:50 PM PST, November 21, 2008

Reporting from Philadelphia -- The reshaping of the Clippers continued with the acquisition of forward Zach Randolph and guard Mardy Collins from the New York Knicks for shooting guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Tim Thomas.

Randolph is averaging 20.5 points and 12.5 rebounds, leading the Knicks in both categories. Collins has appeared in nine games, averaging 2.2 points. The teams were scheduled to go over the details of the deal and the respective contracts with the league in a conference call this afternoon.

The move gives the Clippers someone with the ability to play in the low post, and makes them younger. Randolph is 27; Mobley and Thomas are 33 and 31, respectively. Mobley had been averaging 13.7 points and the oft-injured Thomas 9.5.

"I'm a little upset," said Mobley, in a voice barely above a whisper. "It was a surprise. I mean, I liked our team. I didn't give up on our team. I don't know what the owner was thinking, and don't know what anyone was thinking.

"I thought we were going to come around. It's hard. It's hard because I like all the guys a lot. It's tough."

Talks with various moving parts have been going on between the teams the last two weeks, and the Clippers made their last offer this afternoon. Earlier in the week, talks stalled when the Knicks wanted Marcus Camby in the deal.

The Knicks, who are intent on clearing cap space for 2010, picked up forward Al Harrington from the Warriors in exchange for guard Jamal Crawford, in a separate deal.

This just in from the LA Times, about 20 mins ago.
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11/21/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

One SG traded 10mil. One PF traded 17mil. 2010 cap space... Priceless!!!

Walsh is vindicated and all fans rejoice!!!

Crawford had some value. He should have traded Zach months ago. He drafted a 19 yr old with a 49 yr old back.

Nobody is vindicated yet.
thats a big mistake no doubt.

Walsh has always been good about sticking to his plan. The Pacers was a good example, and not all of it worked out. Dale Davis for Oneil = brilliant. Rose for Artest/Miller = brilliant. Antonio Davis for Bender = total backfire. But all trades were part of the same plan. He sticks to his vision. I can appreciate that.

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Posted by TheGame:

We did not get one draft pick. Exactly why would James come here if we have no players. Right now DG and Chandler look like the only prospects that will be here in 2 years. Unless we are going to sign James and Bosh (which is a BIG if), this team is still going to be light on players.

I guess you have to start somewhere but man we could not even squeeze out a 2nd round pick.

[Edited by - thegame on 21-11-2008 16:56]

You can't expect a good draft pick back when you're dumping your big long term contracts on someone else. Walsh is having enough troubles with his own draft picks anyway. Gallinari has set the Knicks back already. Walsh can't afford another screwup.

So thats the reason not to get a pick? Please.

Well yeah. Dumping a notorious malcontent with a ridiculously large contract that prevents you from having any hope for getting under the cap in 2010. I'd say that's enough. Don't be greedy. Just say thank you to the Clippers and run away laughing.

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