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Forget Lebron, If Walsh Can Cop An Upgrade at Skill Forward Just Add Boiling Water And Stir
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11/18/2008  12:44 PM
EnySpree - great call. Like his assists (4.3) and shooting percentage (.517).

But Miller gotta lose the flip hairdo.

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11/18/2008  12:45 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Say What?

Anji - with all due respect, as you describe trading Eddy Curry and Jeffries as "simple", do you really think Walsh been beating back offers for two guys who haven't seen a single minute of floor time this season?

Lee is the most valuable trade asset (performance value to salary ratio) who can bring the best level of talent in return.

Hope he enjoys playing in Alameda County

Trade Lee and JJ2 for a Pick. Does have to be top 10, but decent.

Trade Curry for expirings.......... if Kwame Brown can keep getting contracts, there is one team that would take a chnace on Curry. Centers are always in demand.
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11/18/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by misterearl:

EnySpree - great call. Like his assists (4.3) and shooting percentage (.517).

But Miller gotta lose the flip hairdo.

Malik for Mike Miler works.....why wouldn't it work for both teams?
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11/18/2008  12:51 PM
Anji - you gotta take back salary in return dude. Read my lips - nobody is giving away "decent" (first round?) picks for nothing. Are you really suggesting that any NBA franchise would give up a first round selection, straight up for Lee and Jeffries, without holding the Knicks to take back equivalent salary?

What universe does that deal happen in?

c'mon

Ambulatory centers are in demand. Curry is not in that category.
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11/18/2008  12:53 PM
EnySpree - you think Minnesota has a death wish?

You know I love you like a red-headed step cousin but - Why would they do that deal?

The question is, what the Wolves would want for Miller?
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11/18/2008  12:57 PM
Posted by misterearl:

EnySpree - you think Minnesota has a death wish?

You know I love you like a red-headed step cousin but - Why would they do that deal?

The question is, what the Wolves would want for Miller?

Probably OJ Mayo
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11/18/2008  1:09 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Anji - you gotta take back salary in return dude. Read my lips - nobody is giving away "decent" (first round?) picks for nothing. Are you really suggesting that any NBA franchise would give up a first round selection, straight up for Lee and Jeffries, without holding the Knicks to take back equivalent salary?

What universe does that deal happen in?

c'mon

Ambulatory centers are in demand. Curry is not in that category.

Curry is hurt and not a fit for the knicks. Every team in the league isn't running and a center like Curry for nothing but expirings is a gamble worth taking.

And the knicks can take back salary for Lee/JJ2, it just has to end in by 2010. I don't see the problem. Some team with looking like they will have the 18 pick wouldn't trade a two deal and that pick for Lee and JJ2. Of course they would.
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11/18/2008  1:21 PM
Posted by misterearl:

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Knicksfan - the (cough) "non-star" player that bippity refers to is a misnomer. There was never a suggestion that upgrading the three spot was the route to an immediate title. You upgrade the three spot to maintain incremental progress by developing depth at a position where the Knicks are paper thin.

Without a doubt, the photoshopped images of a young Wise in orange and blue can make a blind New York hoops fan salivate. I would love Lebron on orange and blue. Jersey sales would break all existing records set by Michael Jordan in the last decade. His signing would be bigger than A-Rod, Johan Santana and Donald Trump combined. President Barack Obama would switch allegiance from the Bulls and become a courtside regular at The Garden. The heavens would open and there would be peace and prosperity for all mankind.

But hold up, "does Lebron love NY?"

Where in Bip's post does it say that someone is suggested that upgrading the three spot has anything to do with leading to an immediate title. I actually think it's a good thing. As long as you don't go past that 2010 threshold with a high salary for someone that is just a role player, why not try to upgrade the spot.
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11/18/2008  1:23 PM
I think the fixation on Lebron is false. 2010 should be about shedding contracts and setting ourselves up for the future. If by doing this you put yourself in position to obtain a true star why wouldn't you try? I don't get how after 7 years of crap that the shedding of any contracts would bother anyone. Have we forgotten where we came from?
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11/18/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

EnySpree - you think Minnesota has a death wish?

You know I love you like a red-headed step cousin but - Why would they do that deal?

The question is, what the Wolves would want for Miller?

You know what? I really do love my red headed step cousin too?!?!

I would think they would want the cap relief. They are currently over loaded with rookie contracts. They could decide to trade some for vets but if they don't, why not take Malik for Miller now? And stop benching McCants.
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11/18/2008  3:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Anji - you gotta take back salary in return dude. Read my lips - nobody is giving away "decent" (first round?) picks for nothing. Are you really suggesting that any NBA franchise would give up a first round selection, straight up for Lee and Jeffries, without holding the Knicks to take back equivalent salary?

What universe does that deal happen in?

c'mon

Ambulatory centers are in demand. Curry is not in that category.

Then why didnt we take Javalee Mcgee?
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11/18/2008  4:17 PM
Wouldn't boiling water scald the players? Sounds counter-productive.
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11/18/2008  4:43 PM
BasketballJones - work with the metaphor son. Don't fight it.

The boiling water is a 6'11 flexible flyer backup center in the mold of Marcus Camby.

If unique is what you seek, the boiling water could also be drafted in the first round. I'm feeling 6'9 skill forward, and Wake Forest Freshman, Al-Farouq Aminu
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11/18/2008  5:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think the fixation on Lebron is false. 2010 should be about shedding contracts and setting ourselves up for the future. If by doing this you put yourself in position to obtain a true star why wouldn't you try? I don't get how after 7 years of crap that the shedding of any contracts would bother anyone. Have we forgotten where we came from?

if nothing else the Knicks are the model of how to build championship teams based on their past history of success... why would u wanna mess with a winning formula?
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11/18/2008  6:33 PM
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Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

If I'm gonna take an undersized shooter/scorer as a guard (listed at 6'3" but might be more like 6'1") that really doesn't have the good PG skills to run a club he better at least be a complete offensive player. This kid's a terrific little jumpshooter but in terms of being that complete scoring guard, I'm not sure he can really take his guy off the dribble consistently. What really seperates this kid from similar players right now? Does he have the height like his father did? Does he have the overall strength like an Eric Gordon has? Tell you what, he's probably not as good or as complete a player as Jerryd Bayless for example - I think Bayless has a much better NBA future IMHO. This kid's good and he & his team had a nice run in the Tourney, but I'm not so sure he'll ever be more than just a good complementary piece in the NBA at best. Have to take a closer look at this kid's overall game this season to see if he's made any progress toward becoming a more complete player. Tell you what though, how I see it - if we wind up in the lower part of the lottery he'd have to be an option for us if he's still there. But to be honest if we really rattle off some wins and wind up outside the lottery, somewhere in the middle of the 1st round, unlike Thabeet and some of the other primo talent, he wouldn't be a guy I'd try and trade up to get as of right now...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 10:35 PM]

This guy can play PG.

To me Stephen Curry's more of a run-the-floor scorer/spot up shooter that plays off the ball. He's small for a two and not known for his strength, ballhandling or PG skills. That's just fact. Shooting skills are certainly legit but there's just not enough to this kid to justify taking him with our pick next summer as of right now. Remember the criticisms a lot of people had with Eric Gordon & Jerryd Bayless? Expect the same if not more next summer come draft time with this kid. We need more than a complimentary piece out of this draft next summer (esp. considering Utah gets our pick in 2010), whether we stand pat with the pick or hopefully wind up trading up to get what we need - I'd be looking for a little more than what this kid has to offer. Speaking of Bayless, he's much more of a complete package than this kid by comparision when comparing two undersized scoring 2-guards that will be expected to also play some point in the NBA. Like I said last summer, Bayless IMO, has a chance to be another Tony Parker. I don't see that type of future for this kid. I hope I'm wrong...


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 11:28 PM]
This guy is the second coming of Steve Nash but a better rebounder and defender. Why wouldnt we want that? Didnt Nash win 2 MVP's?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 11-18-2008 12:36 PM]

Wow. Stephen Curry's a better Steve Nash? Did I read that right? Man, that's extremely high praise for a guy who hasn't done nothing yet. I'm not ready to crown him king of the land just yet. That's not to say I don't think he's good. On the contrary, from what I saw of him in the NCAA tournament, he's very talented offensively and I could possibly be interested in him for the Knicks depending on where we pick and what options we have to do with the pick). He's proved that he's got well above average shooting skills as an off-the-ball spot up shooter in the touney last year (where I remember him playing off some kid Richards who was the primary ballhandler for Davidson) but it's also apparent that he's got a lot of question marks that come into play when thinking about how he translates to the next level - he's smallish, not particularly strong, not known as a great slasher, and is not known as a floor general type & for his passing abilities. Can he develop into the player you're talking about here? Absolutely. But I don't think he's there yet. A lot more might be expected from him this year after showing a lot last year (he'll probably be asked to handle the ball more. I could see that. Plus I think Richards may have graduated). Off to a good start though with an impressive game against James Madison - 33 pts., 9 assts. I'm gonna need to see more of that before I put him on the same tier with a Steve Nash though, I can tell you that.



[Edited by - finestrg on 11-18-2008 6:39 PM]
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11/18/2008  10:55 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"you ain't got it like I got it"

4949 - all I know is that any "talk" of bringing Lebron to New York is completely fabricated by the New York media. The fans latch on to a random rumor like leeches and so it goes. Someone sees Lebron with a Yankee hat and they go nuts. Big deal.

Donnie Walsh knows how impossible it would be to sign him, and Lebron has no compelling reason to uproot himself from his home state. The expected money would be insane (during a recession no less) and the pressure to deleiver a championship ring in year ONE would be ten times what A-Rod faces on a daily basis.

Just because 'Bron wears a Yankee baseball hat, as half of the civilized world does, is insignificant...

... and 2010 is a long way off

Why do people keep bringing up the Yankee cap incident? Who the F cares?!

That's not why I think it's possible.

Why do you think it's so impossible. Explain in detail to us will you please mistereal? This needs to be debated and I really wonder just how much of certain people are really Knick fans.

Jesus Christ. If people would fight for the rights of Lebron 'LIKE THEY FIGHT FOR (of all things) THAT GOOFY BITCH ARIZA' then it would make total sense. But to cry over Ariza and not even give a thought to Lebron just baffles me to no end.
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11/18/2008  10:57 PM
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Posted by misterearl:

"you ain't got it like I got it"

4949 - all I know is that any "talk" of bringing Lebron to New York is completely fabricated by the New York media. The fans latch on to a random rumor like leeches and so it goes. Someone sees Lebron with a Yankee hat and they go nuts. Big deal.

Donnie Walsh knows how impossible it would be to sign him, and Lebron has no compelling reason to uproot himself from his home state. The expected money would be insane (during a recession no less) and the pressure to deleiver a championship ring in year ONE would be ten times what A-Rod faces on a daily basis.

Just because 'Bron wears a Yankee baseball hat, as half of the civilized world does, is insignificant...

... and 2010 is a long way off

Why do people keep bringing up the Yankee cap incident? Who the F cares?!

That's not why I think it's possible.

Why do you think it's so impossible. Explain in detail to us will you please mistereal? This needs to be debated and I really wonder just how much of certain people are really Knick fans.

Jesus Christ. If people would fight for the rights of Lebron 'LIKE THEY FIGHT FOR (of all things) THAT GOOFY BITCH ARIZA' then it would make total sense. But to cry over Ariza and not even give a thought to Lebron just baffles me to no end.

The guy is blind. It has been mentioned at least 15 times in this topic that 2010 is not only about LeBron and he completely ignores it.
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11/18/2008  10:58 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Yeah so "Forget Lebron, If Walsh can cop an upgrade at skill forward just add boiling water and stir"

Knicks need reinforcements now since the Knicks are trying to win as much as they can.

Seriously.....wtf is Minnesota doing with Mike Miller really? That team is not trying to win anything now....Mike Miller in Q-rich Spot would be awesome.

Dude man' you are doing a 'win now' scenario. We are total losers under that kind of mentality. We gotta a two year plan, let's stick to it. Period.
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11/18/2008  11:00 PM
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Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

If I'm gonna take an undersized shooter/scorer as a guard (listed at 6'3" but might be more like 6'1") that really doesn't have the good PG skills to run a club he better at least be a complete offensive player. This kid's a terrific little jumpshooter but in terms of being that complete scoring guard, I'm not sure he can really take his guy off the dribble consistently. What really seperates this kid from similar players right now? Does he have the height like his father did? Does he have the overall strength like an Eric Gordon has? Tell you what, he's probably not as good or as complete a player as Jerryd Bayless for example - I think Bayless has a much better NBA future IMHO. This kid's good and he & his team had a nice run in the Tourney, but I'm not so sure he'll ever be more than just a good complementary piece in the NBA at best. Have to take a closer look at this kid's overall game this season to see if he's made any progress toward becoming a more complete player. Tell you what though, how I see it - if we wind up in the lower part of the lottery he'd have to be an option for us if he's still there. But to be honest if we really rattle off some wins and wind up outside the lottery, somewhere in the middle of the 1st round, unlike Thabeet and some of the other primo talent, he wouldn't be a guy I'd try and trade up to get as of right now...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 10:35 PM]

This guy can play PG.

To me Stephen Curry's more of a run-the-floor scorer/spot up shooter that plays off the ball. He's small for a two and not known for his strength, ballhandling or PG skills. That's just fact. Shooting skills are certainly legit but there's just not enough to this kid to justify taking him with our pick next summer as of right now. Remember the criticisms a lot of people had with Eric Gordon & Jerryd Bayless? Expect the same if not more next summer come draft time with this kid. We need more than a complimentary piece out of this draft next summer (esp. considering Utah gets our pick in 2010), whether we stand pat with the pick or hopefully wind up trading up to get what we need - I'd be looking for a little more than what this kid has to offer. Speaking of Bayless, he's much more of a complete package than this kid by comparision when comparing two undersized scoring 2-guards that will be expected to also play some point in the NBA. Like I said last summer, Bayless IMO, has a chance to be another Tony Parker. I don't see that type of future for this kid. I hope I'm wrong...


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 11:28 PM]
This guy is the second coming of Steve Nash but a better rebounder and defender. Why wouldnt we want that? Didnt Nash win 2 MVP's?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 11-18-2008 12:36 PM]

Wow. Stephen Curry's a better Steve Nash? Did I read that right? Man, that's extremely high praise for a guy who hasn't done nothing yet.
[Edited by - finestrg on 11-18-2008 6:39 PM]

BINGO!
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11/18/2008  11:00 PM
ROFL... seriously, it boggles the mind... because Lebron signing in NY doesn't look likely to some of these guys means we shouldn't even be thinking about it or trying to get this team into a position where we can sign him... i don't see what we have to lose by positioning ourselves to be in that market in 2 years whether we get Lebron or not... it's not like Zach & Jamal are gonna take this team to a championship... we need a legitimate star.
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