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A DNP For Marbury Means That He Takes A Very Brief Shower
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misterearl
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10/30/2008  6:25 PM
"...yeah, we don't have an H20, Spree, LJ or Camby, but it's worthwhile to me to let guys like Wilson Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Zach & Jamal get the majority of touches in this offense..."

TMS - exactly

David Lee (to the writers gathered around Marbury's locker after the game): "hey, we won the game"

With regard to the so-called juice card (?) holfresh, the fans don't have a say in the roster, or who gets minutes (evidently) Walsh does. Marbury is not owed anything but a uniform and a hotel room key for road games.

New Yorkers do not care about stars being on the court. If that were the case, the entire cast of The Sopranos would be the starting five.

New York loves a winner.

To that end, D'Antoni is 1 and 0. I'm cool with that.
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10/30/2008  6:32 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"...yeah, we don't have an H20, Spree, LJ or Camby, but it's worthwhile to me to let guys like Wilson Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Zach & Jamal get the majority of touches in this offense..."

TMS - exactly

David Lee (to the writers gathered around Marbury's locker after the game): "hey, we won the game"

With regard to the so-called juice card (?) holfresh, the fans don't have a say in the roster, or who gets minutes (evidently) Walsh does. Marbury is not owed anything but a uniform and a hotel room key for road games.

New Yorkers do not care about stars being on the court. If that were the case, the entire cast of The Sopranos would be the starting five.

New York loves a winner.

To that end, D'Antoni is 1 and 0. I'm cool with that.

I hope you are right Earl...I really do hope we turn the page from the soap opera we witnessed the last 3 years...I just don't think this was the way to start things...And you really don't think Dolan reacts to the Garden fans, boos or empty seats???...

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10/30/2008  6:38 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

Well, Im on the minority here who thinks it was stupid to do this thing this way. Though I cant nor wont forget nor forgive what he has done in the past years, you can not do this just because "he is not the future", especially when there has been no complains nor soap-operas about him this summer. It is just unnecesary. You either release him in August to not make him a distraction or you play him because, as much as you dont like me saying this, it is a joke that Duhon, Nate or whoever PG we have, plays ahead him. But jokes only happen at MSG lately. We have won more games with Marbury than without him, its just a fact, as much as we all like to say he is a cancer, etc. We ARE better with Marbury, and to make this look even worse to me, Duhon is NOT the future of a good Knicks team. He is just an overpaid PG signed to play a couple of years (and he will be 29 by the end of his contract). So we did fine, we send a message that Marbury is still useful in preseason and that he even can accept playing as a backup PG, then we release him, and in the end he will score a bunch of points on us playing for other team, while we play the mighty Duhon, Collins and Nate (among the best PG's in the league the 3 of them) because we are building a "glorious" future. Meh, I dont buy that, Im sorry.

Despite my words make you think Im angry, Im not. Its not a big deal, just a stupid move IMO, just as the Ewing's one. I understand we celebrate Marbury no longer playing for us, but this way is just.... damn only Isiah could have done worse than this I have to say.

were both in the minority cause that was ridiculous. The entire B-ball nation knows marbury is our most talented player...Had we loss these haters would still be cheering. Im no big fan of his neither, but having a 21 million dollar man sitting on the bench is spiteful. That wasn't a message, that was a order from someone

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10/30/2008  6:45 PM
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holfresh - here's an alternate take. Dolan received the clear message from David Stern to get the Knicks house in order and hire a proven commodity at GM - and stand back. In the process of listening to the commissioner, Dolan may have also ceded more trust to Walsh out of sheer exhaustion with the past drama.

As it stands, D'Antoni receives the juicy dividends the power shift.

If last night's style of play was any indication, the seats will have enthused fans in them, for no other reason than the accelerated pace (led by Duhon), the elevated skill set (Chandler) and the shiny new face of Gallinari.

Don't sleep the solid and consistent play of Nate.

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10/30/2008  6:51 PM
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knicks1248 - read my lips. it's not about individual talent anymore. The championship Knicks were not the most talented but they performed like a single cell organism.

Besides, the Knicks most talented (and versatile) player is Wilson Chandler. He gets extra credit for intelligence

Give me the guy with the selfless personality any day of the week
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10/30/2008  6:53 PM
Can never sleep on Nate. If he doesn't get his money from the Knicks. I'm sure others will give it to him.

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10/30/2008  7:01 PM
LOL, I wonder if Marbury was on bench thinking like, " YEAH YA"LL PASSED ME IN MINUTES, PASS ME IN LIFE!!!!!!!!!"




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10/30/2008  7:24 PM
33, 23, 33, 23. That's our record over the past 4 years. People have to stop thinking we need Steph to win. We need Steph to leave.
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10/30/2008  8:55 PM
We have been losing more than 4 years..
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10/30/2008  9:04 PM
I don't see how this doesn't improve the Knicks. I read some argument, but most know this is a good thing and the attitude he's finally displaying is the attitude he should displayed all along. Every team Marbury left *improved* after he left, in a way, that's what's happening now. I also think his me-first attitude and the luxuries he's afforded but hasn't earned negatively affect his teammates, as you're only as good as your best plyaer, not your best talent. So let's enjoy history repeating itself.

And, true, many players will be tired now as many of the guards have yet to get serious burn. New players are also getting heavy PT for the time, and they'll be tired too. The funny thing about that is they're young. They'll develop endurance. They'll get some time to rest come the All Star break because, well, the Knicks aren't likely to send anyone to the game.
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10/30/2008  10:20 PM
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SupremeCommander - don't be surprised if Nate makes the All Star Game fo' real.

Less noisily and steadily, the young man has become a consistent performer. Once Gallinari finds his voice the Knicks second unit of Chandler, Jeffries, Danilo G, Collins and Mister Dynamite (Nate) could pose some significant matchup problems.

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10/30/2008  10:33 PM
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People are missing the solid guard play from Crawford (29 pts/4 reb/4 asst 4 turnovers) , Nate (13 pts/3 reb/7 asst 0 turnovers) and Duhon (9 pts/3 reb/ 3 asst 2 turnovers) - who complimented one other while getting acquainted with the various shiftlines that D'Antoni ran.

14 assists against 7 turnovers (which ain't bad) can be improved upon
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10/31/2008  12:28 AM
Posted by misterearl:

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People are missing the solid guard play from Crawford (29 pts/4 reb/4 asst 4 turnovers) , Nate (13 pts/3 reb/7 asst 0 turnovers) and Duhon (9 pts/3 reb/ 3 asst 2 turnovers) - who complimented one other while getting acquainted with the various shiftlines that D'Antoni ran.

14 assists against 7 turnovers (which ain't bad) can be improved upon

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10/31/2008  3:09 AM
Holfresh, when Mike D' said don't go for pump fakes, he meant don't jump in the air to block the shot as so many people do. It leads to either a foul, or a breakdown of the defense. It's called fundamental defense. Attack the shooter aggresively but don't try to block the shot.

Holfresh, in case you didn't see the game, the Knicks played very well, without Marbury, except the last few minutes, when we needed a defensive oriented guard, like Collins. Mike D' doesn't need Marbury, so why should he play him? Marbury is just another face that is eventually gonna leave, in Mike D's vision, so what's the point in messing with the rest of his circle, just to make him and the media and certain Marbury lovers happy? There is no point. The team is above Marbury, for once, and so is D'Antoni, and he certainly does have a juice card.
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10/31/2008  11:54 AM
Holfresh, in case you didn't see the game, the Knicks played very well, without Marbury, except the last few minutes, when we needed a defensive oriented guard, like Collins.

That is very true if by the last few minutes you mean the entire fourth quarter.

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10/31/2008  12:24 PM
I ask again. When in Marbs' history has he settled the team down when we weren't playing well and led us to wins???? Why would we want him in down the stretch over anyone?? They all stink down the stretch.
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10/31/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by oohah:
Holfresh, in case you didn't see the game, the Knicks played very well, without Marbury, except the last few minutes, when we needed a defensive oriented guard, like Collins.

That is very true if by the last few minutes you mean the entire fourth quarter.

oohah

OK My bad. We needed a defensive presence like Collins for the entire fourth quarter, and not Stephon Marbury, b/c Cook and Chalmers were lighting our guards up. A shotblocker would have helped too.
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10/31/2008  2:43 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:


OK My bad. We needed a defensive presence like Collins for the entire fourth quarter, and not Stephon Marbury, b/c Cook and Chalmers were lighting our guards up. A shotblocker would have helped too.

Okay I forgive you ,

I think we needed a player like Marbury who could penetrate to the basket, draw fouls ,and put pressure on their defense, and player like Collins to stop Cook or whoever from doing whatever they wanted to.

Our guards jacking up contested 3s and playing the usual horrendous D was not a good combo in my opinion. I think Duhon make s nice backup, but I'd rather Robinson start than he.

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10/31/2008  3:07 PM
I agree, but it shouldn't have gotton to the point where we needed to take easy shots. We needed to keep putting pressure on their shooters, and had they not been hitting those mid range and those 3s, we'd be saying "Put up more 3s to blow it open more and let the defense take care of the rest."

BTW, I'm not saying it should have been all Collins. Our entire defense was bad in the 4th, but it would have helped tremendously if we had someone pressuring the hot hands. Someone with long arms who's tall, like Collins.

Regardless, Marbury is not in the rotation. Might as well make the circle guys learn to put the game away, because these are the guys D'Antoni is going to go to war with. Not Marbury. No use in making him a specialty player. Marbury is just going to have to suck it up.
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10/31/2008  4:42 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

were both in the minority cause that was ridiculous. The entire B-ball nation knows marbury is our most talented player...Had we loss these haters would still be cheering. Im no big fan of his neither, but having a 21 million dollar man sitting on the bench is spiteful. That wasn't a message, that was a order from someone

i woulda been happy if we won or lost, & i'm not a hater... it's about building an identity for the future... IMO Marbs has no place in that future vision therefore there's no point in having him play... & i don't buy for a second that was an order from someone to have Marbury get a DNP... that was Mike D'Antoni's decision plain & simple... he doesn't see Marbs in the Knicks' future plans at the G position... he's going w/the guys he feels fit into his future plans at the G position... this is really pretty simple, not sure why everyone's trying to take apart & analyze Mike D's motives behind this one as if there was some kinda sinister plot to ruin Marbury's reputation & career at work here.
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A DNP For Marbury Means That He Takes A Very Brief Shower

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