Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BigSm00th:

haha briggs how does he not bring what hillary would bring or even close? all hillary "brought" to the table was her experience -- i'd rather have biden's 30 years in the senate and years heading the senate foreign relations committee and senate judiciary committee. hillary's credentials don't even come close, and try to reply to me without mentioning or implying her husband bill.

Its pretty simple bigsmooth--Hillary had more popular votes than Obama and was clearly on a huge momentum run as the thing ended. Her following is huge much greater than the next pick--remember Biden was in this thing to--how did he do vote wise compared to Hillary? Im not thrilled either way to be honest.

Your argument that Hillary was gaining momentum at the end is the worst of them all. That's like saying Frazier would have beaten Ali in ALi-Frazier II had the fight been scheduled for 20 rounds......Frazier was getting stringer in the end. Too late. Game over. So basically it was too much of an onslaught and ended up being too little too late. I'll take that stradegy against McCain all day. He's implementing the same stradegy as Hillary u say? I'll take it. If he were smart he'd take pages out of Obama's book. Why pattern yourself after the loser unless you want to suffer the same fate?

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by VDesai:

Biden= the man who said that you "can't walk into a Dunkin' Donuts or a 7-Eleven these days without a slight Indian accent," and the man who callled Obama the first "Clean-cut African American Candidate." Not particurlarly a fan of this guy.

I dunno V, Biden is pretty straight up. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13757367/

On a recent edition of the C-SPAN series "Road to the White House," the Delaware senator is shown shaking hands with a man and boasting about his support among Indian-Americans.

"I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking," Biden said.

"The point Senator Biden was making is that there has been a vibrant Indian-American community in Delaware for decades. It has primarily been made up of engineers, scientists and physicians, but more recently, middle-class families are moving into Delaware and purchasing family-run small businesses," said Margaret Aitken, a Biden spokeswoman.

"These families have greatly contributed to the vibrancy of the Indian-American community in Delaware and are making a significant contribution to the national economy as well," she said.

Posted by BRIGGS:

joe biden is not a horrible pick. He doesnt bring what Hillary would bring or even close but Obama couldve done worse. At the end of the day I wouldve taken Hillary--who cares--whatever it takes to become president.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by bitty41:

As for business owners. The majority of the business owners in the US are small business owners. The majority of them are not outsourcing their jobs and are providing the country(despite our recent problems) with the highest standard of living in the world. Business owners are not just the "evil corporate CEO's" that we hear about so often.

But how many of them are using undocumented workers while paying them near slave wages?

Again, another stereotype. Small business owners run all types of businesses from low tech to high tech. The majority of them are just working on their own to get away from the corporate world and run their own show. The overwhelming majority of them hire educated and trained american workers. As bad as unemployment is, it's only at about 5%. In general if you work hard and are educated you are not going to stay unemployed for long. I repeat, in general

[Edited by - bippity10 on 22-08-2008 6:19 PM]

I meant to clarify in Capitalist society you need checks and balances particularly with the business community. It's too easy for people to be lured into greedy tendencies. In reference in your above post yes in terms of the numbers right now in 2008 and we are not talking about a huge workforce. But more and more businesses are catching onto the fact that cheap labor can be had and the government is going to do very little to prevent them from seeking cheap labor; either through just shipping the jobs to countries with almost non-existent labor laws or through finding undocumented workers in this country who are willing to work incredibly long hours, with no health benefits, and low wages. So sure you personally maybe a upstanding business man who only hires college educated, trained workers, but there are more and more business owners (small and big) who don't share your Patriotic outlook when it comes to their work force.


Joe Biden I think is a solid pick. There is no one politician out there that I could say that I like everything he's said or done professionally. Out of the other choices floated around Evan Byah or Hillary both of whom I absolutely detest and find to be untrustworthy.
But I think Biden can serve a vital purpose which is the "attack dog".

[Edited by - bitty41 on 08-23-2008 5:12 PM]

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by Markji:

Some more comments by Biden. He has more foreign relations experience than anyone in the Bush administration. And speaks incredibly powerful on Iran, why we should sit down and talk with them, and the mistakes of the present administration. The Republicans will definitely have a hard time in any debate with Biden. He is an excellent VP choice and balances Obama lack of Foreign policy experience.

Joe and Barack will send Jimmy Carter over to Iran and have him sign another one of those "deals."

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BigSm00th:

haha briggs how does he not bring what hillary would bring or even close? all hillary "brought" to the table was her experience -- i'd rather have biden's 30 years in the senate and years heading the senate foreign relations committee and senate judiciary committee. hillary's credentials don't even come close, and try to reply to me without mentioning or implying her husband bill.

Its pretty simple bigsmooth--Hillary had more popular votes than Obama and was clearly on a huge momentum run as the thing ended. Her following is huge much greater than the next pick--remember Biden was in this thing to--how did he do vote wise compared to Hillary? Im not thrilled either way to be honest.

Exactly! An Obama-Hillary ticket would have had a clean female sweep, a clean minority sweep, a strong base of younger voters (who voted for Obama) and a strong base of older voters (who voted for Hillary). The only person they would have had to convince was the white male voter and we already know a lot of them voted for one or the other.

Well, picking Biden helped the white male vote a little better, but also compromised the female and age group votes. Bad move.

4949,

You don't know women if you think Hillary would have been a clean female sweep. There are a ton of women that DETEST Hillary Clinton.

And by minority you mean who exactly? You would be way off base if you are assuming that most Latinos, Asians, and other ethnicities are going to automatically vote for Obama simply because he is half black. Predicting voting patterns is a little more complex then people just voting on someone being a minority or having the same genitalia as them.

Bitty, your comments have been very clear and thoughtful. I am glad to hear that all woman aren't automatically for Hillary. That they will think and make a decision based on more than race or gender.

4949 - Obama could have picked someone else, like Hillary, to gain a political/electoral advantage. Instead he made an executive decision and picked Biden who is the most qualified person to be VP and help govern the country. Obama is already showing his qualifications for being Chief Executive. The votes will come.



[Edited by - markji on 08-23-2008 4:42 PM]

Posted by Markji:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BigSm00th:

haha briggs how does he not bring what hillary would bring or even close? all hillary "brought" to the table was her experience -- i'd rather have biden's 30 years in the senate and years heading the senate foreign relations committee and senate judiciary committee. hillary's credentials don't even come close, and try to reply to me without mentioning or implying her husband bill.

Its pretty simple bigsmooth--Hillary had more popular votes than Obama and was clearly on a huge momentum run as the thing ended. Her following is huge much greater than the next pick--remember Biden was in this thing to--how did he do vote wise compared to Hillary? Im not thrilled either way to be honest.

Exactly! An Obama-Hillary ticket would have had a clean female sweep, a clean minority sweep, a strong base of younger voters (who voted for Obama) and a strong base of older voters (who voted for Hillary). The only person they would have had to convince was the white male voter and we already know a lot of them voted for one or the other.

Well, picking Biden helped the white male vote a little better, but also compromised the female and age group votes. Bad move.

4949,

You don't know women if you think Hillary would have been a clean female sweep. There are a ton of women that DETEST Hillary Clinton.

And by minority you mean who exactly? You would be way off base if you are assuming that most Latinos, Asians, and other ethnicities are going to automatically vote for Obama simply because he is half black. Predicting voting patterns is a little more complex then people just voting on someone being a minority or having the same genitalia as them.

Bitty, your comments have been very clear and thoughtful. I am glad to hear that all woman aren't automatically for Hillary. That they will think and make a decision based on more than race or gender.

4949 - Obama could have picked someone else, like Hillary, to gain a political/electoral advantage. Instead he made an executive decision and picked Biden who is the most qualified person to be VP and help govern the country. Obama is already showing his qualifications for being Chief Executive. The votes will come.



[Edited by - markji on 08-23-2008 4:42 PM]

Hey, like I said, you don't have' to believe anything I say, okay? This board acts like it's the do all of who makes it into the white house. I'm simply pointing out some facts that I think hurt us. And obviously bitty is one of the one's who finds Hillary disgusting. For what? Who knows?!