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djsunyc
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7/29/2008  9:28 AM
knicks sold low on balkman...
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7/29/2008  9:34 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks sold low on balkman...

His value may not have been its peak, but I have a feeling that management felt that he was not going to fit with the plan and thus not get any minutes...causing his value to drop even furthur.

What does everyone think his value is? A #20 pick?
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7/29/2008  9:39 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks sold low on balkman...

His value may not have been its peak, but I have a feeling that management felt that he was not going to fit with the plan and thus not get any minutes...causing his value to drop even furthur.

What does everyone think his value is? A #20 pick?
#20 pick? Isiah thought so and he was paid millions of $/year for his expertise.

But no I don't think that. But he could have been packaged with Zach or Curry, or someone else to add an extra piece some incentive in a trade. Saving his salary (less than $2million) is marginal and a poor excuse for making this trade. If it is part of a bigger upcoming trade, fine. I'll wait and see. Still giving Walsh the benefit of the doubt....but I do have doubts.


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7/29/2008  9:40 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks sold low on balkman...

His value may not have been its peak, but I have a feeling that management felt that he was not going to fit with the plan and thus not get any minutes...causing his value to drop even furthur.

What does everyone think his value is? A #20 pick?

i agree, they already made up their minds that he was not going to get any shot this year. looks like balkman is unprofessional...
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7/29/2008  9:48 AM
I think what pisses everyone off is the pic was not traded or the two pics were not packaged to move up and we passed on three very good players for the bench or potential starters in Farmer, Lowry, and Rondo. I still believe Marcus Williams will be a good player as well.

But giving him away for a second rounder or not taking a euro to stash away for a few years, it's only wasted asset, like collins, channing frye was etc.

I think Nate needs to be moved as well professionalism goes along way in this league
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7/29/2008  9:55 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks sold low on balkman...

His value may not have been its peak, but I have a feeling that management felt that he was not going to fit with the plan and thus not get any minutes...causing his value to drop even furthur.

What does everyone think his value is? A #20 pick?

i agree, they already made up their minds that he was not going to get any shot this year. looks like balkman is unprofessional...

regardless what he was, he's worth more than a 2nd round pick in my eyes... u can hide him on the bench & play him in spurts & he'd still have more value... people buy 2nd rounders all the time for the amount of money Markji pointed out in his previous post... what the hell was the point in trading Balk in this manner? so we could get our hands on Bobby Jones? come on... i'm gonna wait & see but really, what's there to wait & see on when u really think about it? we coulda just as easily used Balk as a filler piece if we needed to in another trade that Walsh has lined up (if he indeed has one)... i don't really get the point of this one, & this is along w/the Roberson signing have left me scratching my head as to what's really up Walsh's sleeves at this point... a package of Nate & Balk coulda gotten back some pretty decent value IMHO if this is the path he wants to go in.
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7/29/2008  9:55 AM
Another thing about the Balkman. The Knicks would have had to make a decision by Oct. 31 whether to pick up his $2 million option for 2009-10. Not picking it up would have dropped his value even more. Picking it up just to preserve his trade value could very well backfire if no one wants him.
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7/29/2008  10:01 AM
Good business for the Knicks a guy they couldn't have used cost them 4.6 million over his two years and they could have sold the pick for 3 million to a team like the blazers or the celtics who took the suns pick for rondo not to mention mardy has cost them close to 3.5 million two guys they didn't need or use.

When you can just piss 10 million away for no reason and not loss any money thats a big reason why our fat owner ****ed off for as long as he did.
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7/29/2008  10:03 AM
an extra $2 mil on the books next season doesn't mean much to anyone other than Dolan, does it? cap wise it has no bearing on what the team can do next season... it actually helps in that respect because we'd have a low priced player to use in a trade that people have actually seen & who at least has a known face who has shown some good flashes of play in spurts, rather than some no-name journeyman throw-in on a deal that will never likely see the light of day in a Knicks' uniform... the guy played on 6 different teams already in only 2 seasons in the NBA... come on guys, do u seriously think this guy's any better than Balk?
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7/29/2008  11:27 AM
who would trade a first for Balkman when you can get a comparable talent in the 2nd of any years draft?

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7/29/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Another thing about the Balkman. The Knicks would have had to make a decision by Oct. 31 whether to pick up his $2 million option for 2009-10. Not picking it up would have dropped his value even more. Picking it up just to preserve his trade value could very well backfire if no one wants him.
Oct 31 is a long way off. They could have held him longer and waited for a better deal.

And $2 million is nothing. Any decent player we pick up will cost that - we have to fill a 15 man roster....unless we pick up a few more Robersons at $700,000 to $1mil.

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7/29/2008  12:30 PM
Perhaps the Knicks have taken a more conservative strategy money wise. Actually 13 is the minimum for rosters....15 the max.
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7/29/2008  12:36 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Perhaps the Knicks have taken a more conservative strategy money wise. Actually 13 is the minimum for rosters....15 the max.
Perhaps? maybe Penny wise - pound foolish.
I'm still waiting and not casting final judgement. I think Walsh and D'A are a great step upwards for the Knicks.

It may be that they want to get rid of virtually every player on the Knicks and start afresh. Get rid of the losing mentality and the remnants of all of the Knick/MSG uproar. That's OK....just get back something fair in return.

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7/29/2008  12:37 PM
What do you think would be fair value for Balk?
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7/29/2008  12:41 PM
No one seems to want to raise the possibility that like Marbs, the rest of the team thought he was a disruption.
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7/29/2008  12:41 PM
What do you think would be fair value for Balk?
A low second round pick (#2 to 6) without having to pay the $1/2 million we paid.

But better to include him in a deal with another player to make it sweeter. Like including Balk in a deal with Zach or Curry.

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7/29/2008  12:44 PM
If there is another trade and Bobby Jones and Taurean Green are retained........then the Knicks got back fair value for balkman.

I'm still waiting for that bust it baby move......
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7/29/2008  12:46 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

No one seems to want to raise the possibility that like Marbs, the rest of the team thought he was a disruption.
I think this may be valid and a major reason for moving him. I have no problem with trading him. And I dont think most people would object to trading him. It is what we got in return.

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7/29/2008  12:47 PM
A low second may very well be what we end up getting back. Any trade for a pick is going to be difficult to guarentee a specific number.
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7/29/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Andrew:

A low second may very well be what we end up getting back. Any trade for a pick is going to be difficult to guarentee a specific number.
True....but not guaranteed a low pick. And 2 full seasons away in 2010. I like that they spent $1/2 mil to get the 2nd round pick. I wish they would have spent the $3mil and got the 27th pick this year. The 2nd round pick is the better of 2 teams pick, so even better. But they could "possibly" have bought a second round pick for that amount without giving up Balk.

I still like the package idea better because it may have made trading Zach or Curry easier.




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