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7/13/2008  1:34 AM
Walsh hasn't commented on anything so I'm not sure why you say he is confident.
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7/13/2008  1:44 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Walsh hasn't commented on anything so I'm not sure why you say he is confident.


If he walked away from the deal then he must be confident that the Clips aren't going anywhere. He is just checking to see if he can milk a pick out of them. I think Briggs said this earlier ask high and maybe take something on the low. Ask for Gordon if it happens it happens and if it doesn't maybe they walk out with Jordon or a future pick in return Zach. Still better than just walking out with cap space.
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7/13/2008  2:10 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by Vmart:

[quote]Posted by GKFv2:

Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.


You will be shocked when it happens.

It isnt happening --not even 1/10000000000 scintilla of a chance
--just think about this logic
--if the clippers were having thoughts of giving up pick 7 they wouldve never signed Gordon because they immmediately lost trade flexibility
--They tried to trade up for Gordon
--Dunleavy had VERY VERY high praises for Gordon calling him Mitch Richmond
--Eric Gordon is 19 and a huge future building block who also has the ability to impact now as a scorer

Offering a future second round pick is light years away from offering the lottery pick you are high on that you just signed and told all of your fans that he looks like Mitch Richmond.

Zach Randolph is a player they could fit for free for two years IF we take back mobley and Thomas[maybe we have a deal to release them so the Clippers can get them back in a month] and that probably fits well with a cheap owner. Now the Clippers are taking on that last year--that would be a HUGE HUGE asset for the Knicks--forget talent for talent trade--that goes a LONG way to securing a path to FA in 2010--can we possibly get a future restricted 1--I think its possible--I think thats something that can be negotiated out but Eric Gordon is a fantasy made up by ignorant sportswriters who have no clue.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-13-2008 12:27 AM]

Briggs you have no clue what is going on. You wanted to buyout Randolph in the first place thinking he had no value and now that you find out he has value you are trying to lower his worth. Gordon will be in the deal and it will happen. What you thought to have no value has a lot of value maybe not to Knicks fans but to NBA teams Zach is very much in demand. Zach demands a lottery pick and cap space in return thats how good Zach is.




The only thing I disagreed with was the people who wanted to give up pick 6 to get rid of Zach--it was absolutely insane-I had no idea what those people were thinking. I think we can trade Zach or get a substantial buyout as in 33/48--but of course follow the trade route if there is one. A lot of this is subterfuge--once the name Gordon came in a lot of this is BS.


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7/13/2008  3:19 AM
Posted by Vmart:


Thats why you guys aren't GMs, the clippers have a win now philosphy at this monement in time. That means something in the NBA. Zach as much as people on this board bash him is still a 20-10 player and those type of plyers yeild young talent high lottery picks and cap space. You don't just trade a 20-10 player for cap space especially when the Knicks are never concerned with cap space to begin with. 2010 is still ways away and another deal will come along for the Knicks. Its the Clippers that have to think hard about this not the Knicks. They still have Mobley at sg so they will give up Gordon in the end its not a steep price at all its fair price for a big man that will rebound and score and provide a much needed post presence.

Knicks fans tend to sell whatever they don't want short but there are teams out there that covet Zach.

Believe me, there are many more reasons why I would never be the GM, that's why I'm putting faith in Donnie.
I just believe we're going to wind up shooting ourselves in the foot if we take the Gordon or bust approach.

If Donnie could pull it off, I would be as happy as anyone, but the 7th pick in the draft is probably too much to ask for. I'm not saying you don't make an attempt to get Gordon, that's just dumb and is how you miss out on steals. But realistically I can't see it happening. It's like buying a car for $5,000, adding some miles along with a few scratches, and then try to sell it for $8,000. You may find some idiot to buy, but it's not too likely.

We have to be willing to meet LA half way on this without bending over for them. Jordan is a nice high risk/high reward prospect to tag along on the deal with the immediate cap space that we are looking for now. Not to mention the very attractive trade exception that would come our way.

[Edited by - matt4281 on 07-13-2008 03:33 AM]
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7/13/2008  3:47 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:

Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.

You will be shocked when it happens.

i will have 2 coronaries & a quadruple bypass if that goes down.
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7/13/2008  3:50 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Donnie has said that they were getting offers for Zach's services

i'm sorry, i'm not trying to be a smart ass here & i may have missed it, but where exactly did Donnie say he was getting offers for Zach's services from other teams? if you have a source on that i'd like to see it... i'm being serious.
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7/13/2008  6:53 AM
There will be change with the [Knick] roster, that much is certain," reports Alan Hahn.

"Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while," the Newsday story continues. "The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer."

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7/13/2008  7:01 AM
i was hoping to get something better than what a news story writer thinks that Walsh believes... if he heard it from the man himself why wasn't it a direct quote?
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7/13/2008  7:59 AM
Third, we got Zach last year for Steve f'n Francis and Channing Frye in a year which he did statistically better than he did this previous season.
That was an excellent trade for us! Even though Isiah was officially GM, I believe it was Glen Grunwald who put that together. Portland had just drafted Oden and wanted to get rid of Zach. It did cost us a lottery pick - Frye was drafted #8 in 2005 plus Steve Francis, who we wanted to dump.

So let the Clips give us Gordon and an expiring contract. Walsh should wait for the Clips to up their offer.

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7/13/2008  8:22 AM
Me and Joec32033 are fantasy maniacs. We start looking to trade players while the actual fantasy drafts are still going on! We also can spend weeks if not months going back and forth with the same trades until one of us caves in. Usually that happens when talks with other fantasy gm's become stagnant.

That's probably the situation here with the Clips and the Knicks.....I'm sure Donnie didn't completely shut the door on this deal....maybe Donnie has an offer from another team that he still wants to chop around with? Don't need a quote or a misleading article to know that's probably fact.

What if Clevland, or the Bulls, or sactown, etc are also in negociations with the Knicks? Donnie already said he's looking @ 2010. Maybe he's also trying to secure players that can help the Knicks in the compitition/winnning department? While still cutting cap in time for 2010?



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7/13/2008  8:31 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Me and Joec32033 are fantasy maniacs. We start looking to trade players while the actual fantasy drafts are still going on! We also can spend weeks if not months going back and forth with the same trades until one of us caves in. Usually that happens when talks with other fantasy gm's become stagnant.

That's probably the situation here with the Clips and the Knicks.....I'm sure Donnie didn't completely shut the door on this deal....maybe Donnie has an offer from another team that he still wants to chop around with? Don't need a quote or a misleading article to know that's probably fact.

What if Clevland, or the Bulls, or sactown, etc are also in negociations with the Knicks? Donnie already said he's looking @ 2010. Maybe he's also trying to secure players that can help the Knicks in the compitition/winnning department? While still cutting cap in time for 2010?



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7/13/2008  8:46 AM
Alan Hahn says....

There will be change with the roster, that much is certain. How much and how soon remains to be seen. Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while. The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer. Randolph, who has a hefty three years and $48 million left on his contract, is still a consistent double-double performer.

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You gotta be shyttin me. Why turn down a complete salary dump of one of the most retarded acquisitions in recent times?

Get more? Like what? That awesome Bucks trade that had us taking back longer term garbage like Gadzurich and Simmons? That kind of more?

Gimme a break. What's he expect to get? The #1 overall picks in 09, 10, 11, 12 AND immediate cap relief? Channing Frye back? Donnie, put down the whiskey, and make the damn trade.



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7/13/2008  8:51 AM
Alan Hahn says....

let's not overreact to anything until we hear it from Walsh's mouth or Dunleavy's.
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7/13/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

The Clippers never had any pressure to win now. They've made the playoffs 3 times in 22 years.

As for Zach Randolph, I can tell you that if a team offered to take on that gargantuan contract for nothing I would give it to them and let them deal with the problem. Zach Randolph is the only guy hindering our 2010 free agency plan. To get rid of his deal for nothing would be a steal.
Agreed. You can get rid of Zach and actually keep Lee (giving him a front-loaded contract).
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7/13/2008  10:25 AM
Randolph can get you more than a 2nd round pick. The Knicks ran all of 2 plays last year and Randolph still averaged 17 and 10. He's got more value than a salary dump for a second rounder. Hasty decisions from the GM based on media pressure and the desire to be viewed as an instant savior are what got the Knicks in the situation they're in.
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7/13/2008  10:30 AM
You guys must be drunk of the spiked Koolaid. You would accept a second rounder for Zach Randolph. Are you kidding me? I don't think any GM would do that deal. Zach is a talented young player that needs guidance. Playing for Zeke's crazy ass did not help. Our team last year was unruly. I wouldn't trade Curry for a secound rounder and Zach is ten times better than him. Why do you guys hate Randolph so much? Did he eat your cheetos?
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7/13/2008  10:37 AM
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Randolph can get you more than a 2nd round pick. The Knicks ran all of 2 plays last year and Randolph still averaged 17 and 10. He's got more value than a salary dump for a second rounder. Hasty decisions from the GM based on media pressure and the desire to be viewed as an instant savior are what got the Knicks in the situation they're in.


What did Charlotte get for Baron Davis? I think we can do a tad better than a second. i thought a restriced #1 in 2010 and a 2009 2nd ounder is a fair deal. The Clippers own an extra pick in 2010 from Minny I believe and they got a true extra #1 pick in Deandre Jordan this year. But I dont see Zach's value ANY higher than that. There are other options out there--at the end of the day we need Zach gone IF they want Gallinari and Lee to play 4.
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Posted by Cookdcokehop:

You guys must be drunk of the spiked Koolaid. You would accept a second rounder for Zach Randolph. Are you kidding me? I don't think any GM would do that deal. Zach is a talented young player that needs guidance. Playing for Zeke's crazy ass did not help. Our team last year was unruly. I wouldn't trade Curry for a secound rounder and Zach is ten times better than him. Why do you guys hate Randolph so much? Did he eat your cheetos?

How much did Portland get from us? Lets not go crazy here---they received Steve Francis and a player who was not worthy of being picked so high--they never used him in a role other than back up. So they traded Zach randolph for cap sapce Steve Francis[who they bought out] and a back up 4. If there was a better deal[and this was on draft night after Zach went 23-9 that year---of course needs can change but lets be real
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7/13/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Randolph can get you more than a 2nd round pick. The Knicks ran all of 2 plays last year and Randolph still averaged 17 and 10. He's got more value than a salary dump for a second rounder. Hasty decisions from the GM based on media pressure and the desire to be viewed as an instant savior are what got the Knicks in the situation they're in.


What did Charlotte get for Baron Davis? I think we can do a tad better than a second. i thought a restriced #1 in 2010 and a 2009 2nd ounder is a fair deal. The Clippers own an extra pick in 2010 from Minny I believe and they got a true extra #1 pick in Deandre Jordan this year. But I dont see Zach's value ANY higher than that. There are other options out there--at the end of the day we need Zach gone IF they want Gallinari and Lee to play 4.

I'd settle for a conditional first rounder where if Zach doesn't bring certain numbers and the clips don't win a certain number of games, it turns into 2 second round picks.

We're lucky that Brand's opted out and moved on- I don't see a similar scenario next year that can give us this kind of opportunity to unload Zach.

Moving him is addition by subtraction - frees up the lane for Curry & gives Lee major minutes. And you've got to believe they'll want to play Chandler & Gallo big minutes up front as well.
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7/13/2008  11:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Alan Hahn says....

let's not overreact to anything until we hear it from Walsh's mouth or Dunleavy's.

Yeah I suppose....still it'd be a shame if the Clippers went elsewhere and we lost our only real chance to dump Zach for immediate relief.
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I'm told that the Clippers did indeed inquire with the Knicks about power forward Zach Randolph, but it was more of a fact-finding mission and didn't seem to go anywhere. At least for the time being. Apparently, this happened a few days ago. The plan, right now, is to take a few days and assess the situation, then decide on Plan A, B and C

Hey, I understand maybe wanting Eric Gordon for Zach....or a future 1st rounder instead of a second rounder....but the Clipps are offering to absorb his salary 100% - giving us a gigantic trade exception in the process - meaning we can drop Marbury and not worry about whether or not we need his salary for a potential blockbuster trade.

So, well, yeah...the rumored clipps offer is awesome IMO.
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