Posted by crzymdups:

haven't we learned by now that summer league is meaningless beyong belief? the knicks have looked like world beaters in summer league. lampe was summer league mvp. sweetney was scoring 20ppg there.

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Posted by Pharzeone:

You guys lost me when I see the Human Highlight getting MVP honors in 96. Wasn't he on like on one bad leg. Also, to take the point further, if you did well in the NCAA putting up great numbers you should do well in the Euro League based on the Langdon argument following that logic. So a guy like Anthony Randolph who put up pretty good numbers in the rugged SEC, should be great over there.

I think the point here is that the euroleague is better than the NCAA, we all know it is not the NBA level of play, but why trash gallinari for doing well in the euro league and then jock sniff these college kids who play in the NCAA which in the opinion of many is under euroleague ball.....

He'll be 20 years old next week and he's much more experienced than most NCCA seniors and has the benefitof being in a professional environment. So I do not view him as a project in terms of 3-4 years but I think he should be giving very tangible results by year 2 and a contributor in year 1. It took bynum 2 years for tangible results and at the age of 20 he was becoming a top 10 NBA player before he was hurt. I expect him to really dominate SL--I mean Lampe did and he has advanced training compared to anyone who will be there. Those are the signs Im looking for--dominate performance in SL--productive role player in year 1 and tangible results by year 2. If hes giving you 9 points and 4 rebounds in year 2 43% then you should worry.

top 10? Laughable.

I'd bet a LOT of money that right before Bynum was hurt the Lakers wouldve rejected almost any 1-1 trade other than maybe Lebron James--he's more skilled than Dwight Howard. If anyone really watched Bynum before he got hurt he was developing into a monster that the NBA has not seen in many years--he was shooting in th 70%+ range with huge rebounding shot blocking and scoring numbers. Laughable is right--I know that Im right--no one can name 10 names in the NBA that th Lakers wouldve swpped 1-1 for.


Here are his stats for his last 14 games that he played atleast 28 minutes

Points 18.1 Rebounds 11.8 rebounds 3 blocks 2.5 assits 70% FG

20 years old 7-1 285 pounds
and the last game he was hurt in he was on his way to a 20-20 game
No one in the nBA would trade that not one team maybe for Lebron but no one else

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 3:34 PM]

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Posted by oohah:

Yao
Howard
Duncan
Stoudamire
Elton Brand
Marcus Camby
Pau Gasol
Al Jefferson
Garnett

Are all better centers than Bynum right now. Will Bynum be better than any of these guys in their prime when he is in his? Maybe, but I doubt he will ever be as good as Garnett, Duncan, Howard, or Ming.

Right now Bynum is fighting it out with Okafor, Chandler and a couple of other guys for the number 10 spot at center, but let's see what happens when Oden and Thabeet come along.

As a matter of fact, let's see if Bynum recovers well from his injury, and what his role is next to Gasol.

oohah

No way no how there is no way that the Lakers would consider trading him for anyone but Lebron--you are talking 7-1 nearly 300 pounds athletic in shape with incrdible burgeoning skills. Just think about it for a moment--he is 20. You dont trade that for anyone.

Damn BRIGGS with ever post you have him gaining 15 lbs.

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[quote]Posted by oohah:

Yao
Howard
Duncan
Stoudamire
Elton Brand
Marcus Camby
Pau Gasol
Al Jefferson
Garnett

Are all better centers than Bynum right now. Will Bynum be better than any of these guys in their prime when he is in his? Maybe, but I doubt he will ever be as good as Garnett, Duncan, Howard, or Ming.

Right now Bynum is fighting it out with Okafor, Chandler and a couple of other guys for the number 10 spot at center, but let's see what happens when Oden and Thabeet come along.

As a matter of fact, let's see if Bynum recovers well from his injury, and what his role is next to Gasol.

oohah

No way no how there is no way that the Lakers would consider trading him for anyone but Lebron--you are talking 7-1 nearly 300 pounds athletic in shape with incrdible burgeoning skills. Just think about it for a moment--he is 20. You dont trade that for anyone.

Damn BRIGGS with ever post you have him gaining 15 lbs.


He really is close to 300 pounds 285-290 in that area.

Bynum is on his way to becoming a top 10 player in the league. You have to give credit to is the Lakers organization for not trading him for anyone. Also have to give credit to organizations for helping the big men to develop properly. Houston, Orlando and Lakers did a great job of tutoring the big men. As for our Knicks they shold have given Curry help from some of the greats.

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No way no how there is no way that the Lakers would consider trading him for anyone but Lebron--you are talking 7-1 nearly 300 pounds athletic in shape with incredible burgeoning skills. Just think about it for a moment--he is 20. You dont trade that for anyone. The only comparable players in his age group are Howard and Jefferson--hes more skilled than Howard and hes just better than Jefferson--

Both Jefferson and Bynum have good, comparable numbers.


I'll agree that Bynum is more physically talented than Jefferson, but just as you pointed out that Bynum is more skilled than Howard, Jefferson is quite a bit more skilled than Bynum. I'd be surprised if Bynum could ever make the kinds of moves Jefferson does regularly.

I don't think we can say that Bynum is clearly better than Jefferson until he has to face nightly double and triple teams like Jefferson did this past year. Bynum, on the other hand, and I'm sure we can agree on this, benefits greatly from the other team's defense being entirely geared to stop Kobe Bryant.

Jefferson plays under that same pressure. Bynum has yet to. So I don't think it is the foregone conclusion that you do.

Remember, Garnett was pried away with Jefferson. Weren't the Lakers supposed to be in that hunt? You think they turned down Garnett to keep Bynum?

oohah

I dont really compare Bynum and Jefferson that much because Bynum has true ability to be defensive player of the year and he can easily score just as many points and rebound just as well and shoot at a much higher %. I agree with you that Jefferson is a more skilled box player--so is Zach Randolph but that is where his Shaq like build + his skills come in--he can play over players heads and no one can stop it. He wa leading the nBA in FG% when he was hurt at 20 years old and was really coming on.

Bynum is a championship caliber franchise type player--Jefferson is a 20-10 player.

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No way no how there is no way that the Lakers would consider trading him for anyone but Lebron--you are talking 7-1 nearly 300 pounds athletic in shape with incredible burgeoning skills. Just think about it for a moment--he is 20. You dont trade that for anyone. The only comparable players in his age group are Howard and Jefferson--hes more skilled than Howard and hes just better than Jefferson--

Both Jefferson and Bynum have good, comparable numbers.


I'll agree that Bynum is more physically talented than Jefferson, but just as you pointed out that Bynum is more skilled than Howard, Jefferson is quite a bit more skilled than Bynum. I'd be surprised if Bynum could ever make the kinds of moves Jefferson does regularly.

I don't think we can say that Bynum is clearly better than Jefferson until he has to face nightly double and triple teams like Jefferson did this past year. Bynum, on the other hand, and I'm sure we can agree on this, benefits greatly from the other team's defense being entirely geared to stop Kobe Bryant.

Jefferson plays under that same pressure. Bynum has yet to. So I don't think it is the foregone conclusion that you do.

Remember, Garnett was pried away with Jefferson. Weren't the Lakers supposed to be in that hunt? You think they turned down Garnett to keep Bynum?

oohah

I dont really compare Bynum and Jefferson that much because Bynum has true ability to be defensive player of the year and he can easily score just as many points and rebound just as well and shoot at a much higher %. I agree with you that Jefferson is a more skilled box player--so is Zach Randolph but that is where his Shaq like build + his skills come in--he can play over players heads and no one can stop it. He wa leading the nBA in FG% when he was hurt at 20 years old and was really coming on.

Bynum is a championship caliber franchise type player--Jefferson is a 20-10 player.

See BRIGGS you are saying Bynum is championship caliber type of player because he has a championship caliber team. You couldn't say that about KG until he was placed on a championship caliber team. Jefferson on the right team can be considered a championship caliber player. Hell put him next to Duncan and he is a championship caliber player.

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No way no how there is no way that the Lakers would consider trading him for anyone but Lebron

Posted by oohah:

I'll bet the Lakers would trade Bynum straight up for Dwight Howard or Chris Paul in a heartbeat, let alone Lebron James. Those trades would = a steal for the Lakers.

oohah

dude, those deals would get u tarred, feathered & jettisoned off the rooftops of both the Magic & Hornets' main offices if u approached them w/that offer... please... Bynum is as yet a completely unproven commodity in the NBA... yes, he shows some good promise.. so do a lot of other young players in this league... right now he's a very good rebounder w/shotblocking ability & is starting to show a little bit of low post sccring ability... he's still learning the game & is very unpolished as of yet offensively... to say he's approaching top 10 status is completely laughable... he isn't even in the top 20 yet.