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sebstar
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6/7/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by sebstar:

Izybx, I think you are missing a critical component to your analysis.

One thing that the conservative party has tried to do, is switch the role of the oppressor and the ones who the are oppressed. See, you and I are just two individuals, I dont have the right to mock or infringe on your quality of life, nor vice versa. Personal interaction and respect is not what we're referring.

What's at play is institutional and structural racism, which has been in play the moment blacks arrived on this domestic soil. Whites have brutally dehumanized Blacks solely based on the color of their skin. This has been as consistent as anything in American history. Blacks articulating and expressing frustration with such treatment is NOT racism. What conservatives have been so adept at, is marginalizing Blacks when they question such treatment, as evidenced by the framing of Rev. Wright.

In addition, Rev Wright didnt even make it a white/black issue, more so a govt. issue. But becuase whites see the goverment as a reflection of themselves, they took it as a personal attack. I thought that was most telling.

Anyway, I'm sure you are well meaning guy, but its obvious that we are speaking two different languages here.

I think what you mean to say is that I am missing a critical point as to YOUR analysis. I dont care what somebodys been through, if you are racist then you are racist. Period, end of story. If you want to justify it than you can do so if it makes you feel better.

Is this election about Rev Wright or Obama? Stop with this complete nonsense because unless you believe that Obama subscribes to racist beliefs why is Rev Wright even relevant?

C'mon now, you saw the '04 election which was dominated by swift boat and gay marriage. This is America we're talking about. Land of fear tactics and wedge issues. Just givin' em something they can feel and hang on to.
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izybx
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6/7/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Its telling that you "dont care"...most conservatives are of the opinion that if it doesnt affect them, then it doesnt matter, which explains their positions on poverty, racism, health care, ext...

So Wright becomes "radical", "angry", and "racist" for having a better command of the actual history of this country than 99% of the ahistorical pundits who are discussing him and the unthinking and the unquestioning.

Your defense of Some guy who teaches his followers (inlcuding Obama) that the governement created the AIDS virus to destroy the black man shows the irrationality of your views. But then again he does have a better command of historu than I do, so maybe hes right.
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bitty41
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6/7/2008  6:09 PM
C'mon now, you saw the '04 election which was dominated by swift boat and gay marriage. This is America we're talking about. Land of fear tactics and wedge issues. Just givin' em something they can feel and hang on to.

Very true but izybx needs to stop passing himself off as a somewhat knowledgeable voter. I'm sorry but you are a moron if you use Rev Wright as a reason to not vote for Obama.

I don't care much for Rev Wright for the sheer fact that the guy is basically trying to lengthen his 15 mins of fame. In all honesty I could care less what beliefs he has or doesn't have but people who allow the irrelevant issues such as these enter their consciousness while thinking of voting matters are fools and only make it that much difficult for people who actually want to focus on the issues and policies.
Bonn1997
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6/7/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by sebstar:

Its telling that you "dont care"...most conservatives are of the opinion that if it doesnt affect them, then it doesnt matter, which explains their positions on poverty, racism, health care, ext...

So Wright becomes "radical", "angry", and "racist" for having a better command of the actual history of this country than 99% of the ahistorical pundits who are discussing him and the unthinking and the unquestioning.
Obama is one of his "followers"? Did Fox tell you that? Just because you're willing to hear what someone has to say doesn't make you one of their followers. If I were president I'd try to listen to everyone from Bin Laden to our soldiers to our former Presidents.
Your defense of Some guy who teaches his followers (inlcuding Obama) that the governement created the AIDS virus to destroy the black man shows the irrationality of your views. But then again he does have a better command of historu than I do, so maybe hes right.

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