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islesfan
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5/10/2008  7:06 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


if you don't see this, it's because you're tired of being a doormat of the league and want a short cut to "glory" or fun. those shortcuts we keep taking are what got us into trouble in the first place and we keep doing it again and again. there's no shortcut in a situation like this. your response will probably be "yeah but mjax suxxxxx!! haha lol!" well, the joke's on you.

That's a great way to put it. It's a short cut. It's window dressing

Say what you want about Jackson, and he's by no means a sure thing, but I bet he'd put more emphasis on defense, fundamentals (like making a proper entry pass to the post) and half court execution. When it comes to the playoffs, I'll take the team that does those things well than any Mike D'Antoni team, especially ones that don't have a 2 time MVP PG and 2 perennial all star forwards on it.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/10/2008  7:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess Don Nelson and Paul Westhead were unavailable.

So much for maximizing their lottery pick next year. But then again, who needs players like Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion...other than Mike D'Antoni.

This is so ****ing stupid.

jax would have been even dumber.

Maybe. Maybe not.

But there's no question that Jackson's potential ceiling is much higher than what D'Antoni has proven his to be with the perfect players.

Now lets ot get carried away with this. How were Nash and Amare the "perfect players"? Your knock on Mike D'Antoni is he doesn't coach defense, and you are citing players who were almost as bad as Crwaford on defense as perfect players? Having said that, Amare has improved defensively and why wouldn't Mike D'antoni get the credit for that? How about developing Raja Bell?

Phoenix didnt have too many two way players either and that's not the coach's fault, there was nothing wrong with the style itself, the players could not execute on transition defense. OK he doesn't emphasize defense as much as I would like to see him do but then again Avery Johnson has been preaching defense for ever, how many players actually bought into it? Why does Dallas still suck? I am all for playing defense, but it is not some silver bullet that will instantly make us better. Nothing is goig to make us better for now. Good decisions, experienced staff and acquisition of two way players are all we can hope for.
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5/10/2008  7:23 PM
D'Antoni favors one way players. Raja Bell was a defensive specialist brought in to stop Kobe, Kurt Thomas was brought in to guard Duncan. Neither worked particularly well in D'Antoni's system, because they don't fit the plan. Now, you can blame Nash and Amare and Marion for not defending, or you can blame the coach for not emphasizing it. It's a fun system, but every indication is that when a team has time to study it over a 7 game series, it's easy enough to stop.

Every NBA team that has won a championship since I've been watching basketball, the Isiah years in Detroit, has won by putting an emphasis on defense and half-court execution in the offense. D'Antoni does neither. He is this decade's Don Nelson. Which is fine, if you just want to entertain customers and have them pay through the nose.



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5/10/2008  7:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:


if you don't see this, it's because you're tired of being a doormat of the league and want a short cut to "glory" or fun. those shortcuts we keep taking are what got us into trouble in the first place and we keep doing it again and again. there's no shortcut in a situation like this. your response will probably be "yeah but mjax suxxxxx!! haha lol!" well, the joke's on you.

That's a great way to put it. It's a short cut. It's window dressing

Say what you want about Jackson, and he's by no means a sure thing, but I bet he'd put more emphasis on defense, fundamentals (like making a proper entry pass to the post) and half court execution. When it comes to the playoffs, I'll take the team that does those things well than any Mike D'Antoni team, especially ones that don't have a 2 time MVP PG and 2 perennial all star forwards on it.

How do you know this without an actual sample of his coaching style? You caould have said the same thing about Isiah when he joined the sidelines. He was a much better point guard than Mark and he played for some of the best defensive teams the league has ever seen.

Sometimes you gotta put the blame on the players for not playing D. Nash and Stoudamire were horrible on the defensive end. Nash he signed, but Stoudamire and Marion were already there. Give D'Antoni credit for working a style that fits the players he had.
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5/10/2008  7:56 PM
Again I agree he doesn't emphasize defense as much as I want him to, but Raja Bell was waaaay underrated and he came to bloom under Mike D'antoni. And I think he fit the system pretty well, I agree on KT not being a fit though.

I hear ya on defense and I am NOT preaching against it, we NEED defense. But lets not knock on he coach saying he couldn't produce with "perfect players" cause that's not what they were.

So who's the best coach out there? JVG, but he ai'nt coaching and as for the rest I don't see how D'Antoni is bad compared to any of them. Avery Johnson hasn't won any champioships either, would have like rick Carlisle but he would have hated it here with this bunch.

So he may not be the best fit but he may well be the best one out there based on results.
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5/10/2008  8:08 PM
Hiring a ****ty coach to coach ****ty players to sell rebuilding to a distraught fan base is only a new way to fool people. The correct personnel move was to hire D'Antoni. You can't expect to be the best defensive team when you trade Marion for Shaq, have Nash play 40 minutes and go up against teh world champion Spurs. He coaches both player development and 4th quarters - that serves us now and in the furture, when we finall play meaning ful games.

Of course, it needs to be followed by a full tank next season - but that remains Walsh's responsibility. Strip whats remaining.
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5/10/2008  8:10 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Hiring a ****ty coach to coach ****ty players to sell rebuilding to a distraught fan base is only a new way to fool people. The correct personnel move was to hire D'Antoni. You can't expect to be the best defensive team when you trade Marion for Shaq, have Nash play 40 minutes and go up against teh world champion Spurs. He coaches both player development and 4th quarters - that serves us now and in the furture, when we finall play meaning ful games.

Of course, it needs to be followed by a full tank next season - but that remains Walsh's responsibility. Strip whats remaining.


you really think we'll tank next season? i highly doubt it.
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5/10/2008  8:13 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by codeunknown:

Hiring a ****ty coach to coach ****ty players to sell rebuilding to a distraught fan base is only a new way to fool people. The correct personnel move was to hire D'Antoni. You can't expect to be the best defensive team when you trade Marion for Shaq, have Nash play 40 minutes and go up against teh world champion Spurs. He coaches both player development and 4th quarters - that serves us now and in the furture, when we finall play meaning ful games.

Of course, it needs to be followed by a full tank next season - but that remains Walsh's responsibility. Strip whats remaining.


you really think we'll tank next season? i highly doubt it.

If we don't tank, D'Antoni won't be the reason.
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5/10/2008  8:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess Don Nelson and Paul Westhead were unavailable.

So much for maximizing their lottery pick next year. But then again, who needs players like Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion...other than Mike D'Antoni.

This is so ****ing stupid.

jax would have been even dumber.

why? because he would have preached defense? because he was a brilliant pg? because he knows new york? because he can handle the media?

the only negative for jackson is lack of experience - and that doesn't mean he wouldn't have done well. he could have learned on the job. and we shouldn't be winning next year anyway. our best chance of adding talent over the next few years is getting under the cap and maximizing our 2009 draft pick. neither will happen now. there is no way we are getting under the cap and very little chance we have anything more or less than a late lotto pick next summer.

with d'antoni, we are locking ourselves into a maximum 45 wins, second round flameout within the next three years. with jackson, we were guaranteeing next season would suck, but that we would be in better shape heading into 2009-2010 and hopefully looking at cap space in 2010.

sure, d'antoni will be better than isiah. but he is a prickly man who whines when things don't go his way. we will see a lot of that here. we will probably see trades for the likes of TJ Ford and other cap killing contracts that play an entertaining style of ball with no hope of advancing in the playoffs.

if you don't see this, it's because you're tired of being a doormat of the league and want a short cut to "glory" or fun. those shortcuts we keep taking are what got us into trouble in the first place and we keep doing it again and again. there's no shortcut in a situation like this. your response will probably be "yeah but mjax suxxxxx!! haha lol!" well, the joke's on you.


Well I faxed in the Memo to DW as to what the plan should have been. I SAY UGH probably was standing there as it was coming in because he has absolutely with nothing to do and probably put it in the shredder. Mark this day down because I said just a few days ago the 2009 draft will be the most important draft during this current transition and outlined the plan in which you touched on some of it.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2008 7:33 PM]
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5/10/2008  8:19 PM
It's interesting. D'Antoni is pretty much the perfect coach for the players like Lee, Chandler, Balkman and anyone anyone would want to keep on the team. VDesai has shown that his defensive shortcoming are vastly overrated. Only seems like a bad fit if you want him coaching Starbury or Randolph, who, through this hire seem like they're gonna be gone.

[Edited by - PhilinLA on 10-05-2008 8:39 PM]
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Posted by PhilinLA:

It's interesting. D'Antoni is pretty much the perfect coach for the players like Lee, Chandler, Balkman and anyone anyone would want to keep on the team. VDesai has showed that his defensive shortcoming are vastly overrated. Only seems like a bad fit if you want him coaching Starbury or Randolph, who, through this hire seem like they're gonna be gone.

he's a good coach. he's not the kind of coach you win a championship with, because of his one dimensional approach. it also just feels like the wrong time to bring in a big name coach when we need to be purging the bad apples and maximizing the draft pick in 2009 to try to get a real superstar. now, we'll likely win too many games next season and get the 11 pick. and kiss cap space good bye. if just doesn't make sense at this juncture to bring in a guy like D'Antoni. maybe he maximizes the trade value of guys like Lee, Balkman, Nate, Chandler, but other than that I don't see it making sense.

i will be extremely curious to see the team play next season, of course, but my hopes for the long-term have been lowered significantly.
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5/10/2008  8:40 PM
He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.
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5/10/2008  8:49 PM
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He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
You're right, Utah never loses in the playoffs.

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5/10/2008  9:04 PM
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He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
You're right, Utah never loses in the playoffs.

still, your original point was a wild guess at best. the suns never beat san antonio, no matter what the personnel. the players left the bench during a fight, they had to pay.
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5/10/2008  9:07 PM
I think this is a definitely wait and see. for those calling this a no-brainer---I would not go there. For those calling it a complete disaster in the making--i wouldn't go to that extreme either. I think even the most ardent supporter of this move has to admit this roster is not made for this coach and a *significant personnel change has to occur quite quickly to effectively get your 25mm worth$$--I mean I don't see me paying 25mm for a rebuilding project to a coach unless that coach is Popovich Riley or Phil Jackson. But we'll have to see--if we see Eddy Curry popping 3's with 16 seconds on the shot clock--atleast it will be interesting
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5/10/2008  9:14 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
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He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
You're right, Utah never loses in the playoffs.


An accurate and unsubstantiated statement you made.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2008 8:14 PM]
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Are you guys ****ing kidding me. We get Zach last year and a majority of people are jumping for joy. Now we actually do something important to the future of the team and everyone is pretending they actually know what they are talking about.

First off Isiah isn't a part of the system. We don't have a scum bag in the front office creating the most unproffessional unit in the NBA. We have Donnie Walsh one of the 5 best GMS in the NBA. Last year we had the worst. We add D'Antoni one the best 5 coaches in the NBA. Isiah was one of the worst game managers, preperations, and he lost the lockeroom.

We haven't started the season and already made two great hires. It doesn't happen over night, we don't have a GM that is looking to be the man and embarrass a HOF coach. Lenny wasn't given a chance to succeed, niether was Larry who wanted the whole roster gone. The culture is already changing, we have a coach that players want to play for everyone forgets the Suns lost Amare and this guy made Tim Thomas look like an AllStar and got his team to the Playoffs, it's not his fault the suns were cheap sold away their picks and have no depth. They played they first round series without grant hill.

He will define players roles, he has management, and Walsh will make a few moves that will help him operate. Restore value in our players and actually give them hope. Let's see how it unfolds before the negativity starts.

We still have the draft, chances are the knicks don't win it, but things are looking good so far.
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5/10/2008  9:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
You're right, Utah never loses in the playoffs.


An accurate and unsubstantiated statement you made.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2008 8:14 PM]
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5/10/2008  9:29 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He would have won a championship last year if the league didn't do what it did.

They still had to play Utah and play in the Finals so no you can't say this. These are the kind of statements I'm referring to really ridiculous.
You're right, Utah never loses in the playoffs.


An accurate and unsubstantiated statement you made.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2008 8:14 PM]
I look forward to their wild lockerroom scenes every time they win the trophy.

I do the same for Phx(rolling eyes)
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