Posted by izybx:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by izybx:

After this Obamas chances to win the presidency are over. While I do suspect that a lot of the people who are so upset about this are using it as an excuse to bring up the race card, lets be honest...if it were a white man going to a white church in the same context his campaign would be over.

What country do you live because its not the United States. I can list numerous politicans who are very much in bed with religious zealots yet their political careers are untouched and in many cases they are routinely reelected. So please know what your talking about before making race baiting statements.

Im not making race baiting statements. This is a topic about race tho, so I dont see what the problem is if I post my opinion on it. And do me a favor and list one politician in THIS campaign who is "in bed" with a pastor who would so such anti-american, anti-white garbage like this idiot has.

Please please research things before making statements particularly your orginal statement that Obama is getting a pass because of his race

I hope this is enough evidence for you.


http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/80253/#more

Rudy Giuliani's priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of molesting several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani would not disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him.



Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as equals and actively discriminated against them. He stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they were finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with civil rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now. He said he was proud of the faith of his fathers.


Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement.



Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore." He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.


Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" brought down from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.


John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

Is this enough hate for you? So when is McCain going to be put under the white light for his involvement with these religious zealots?

Posted by misterearl:

bitty41 - your outstanding research is timely and appreciated

well done

I wonder if "fair and balanced" Fox News picks up on the themes of Hagee or Parsley?

Posted by toodarkmark:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Briggs omitted a word

earl--I have no idea what you are fixating on. The video is right there to see and listen to.

And Briggs, did Hillary vote for the war or didnt she? Thats something the candidate did DIRECTLY. If we're talking about spouses, do we wish to discuss Bill Clinton and how he left the Democratic Party? Seems alot bigger to lie under oath and get impeached than a line that could be interpreted in different ways. Are you married? Do you agree with everything your wife says? I cant stress that enough. Did Barack say it or did his wife say it, and did she mean she hates the country or disliked the countries politics.

Its really isnt about anything she said. Its about finding something, ANYTHING, to attack Barack on. A quote someone he is close to said here or there. Does that negate ANYTHING he has ever said? It does to anyone looking for a reason. He can make 500 of the most patriotic, powerful, honest and inspiring speeches and all it takes is 4 or 5 comments by someone close to him and POW, doesnt matter. Its funny how people are.

[Edited by - toodarkmark on 03-20-2008 1:34 PM]

Posted by toodarkmark:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Briggs omitted a word

earl--I have no idea what you are fixating on. The video is right there to see and listen to.

And Briggs, did Hillary vote for the war or didnt she? Thats something the candidate did DIRECTLY. If we're talking about spouses, do we wish to discuss Bill Clinton and how he left the Democratic Party? Seems alot bigger to lie under oath and get impeached than a line that could be interpreted in different ways. Are you married? Do you agree with everything your wife says? I cant stress that enough. Did Barack say it or did his wife say it, and did she mean she hates the country or disliked the countries politics.

Its really isnt about anything she said. Its about finding something, ANYTHING, to attack Barack on. A quote someone he is close to said here or there. Does that negate ANYTHING he has ever said? It does to anyone looking for a reason. He can make 500 of the most patriotic, powerful, honest and inspiring speeches and all it takes is 4 or 5 comments by someone close to him and POW, doesnt matter. Its funny how people are.

[Edited by - toodarkmark on 03-20-2008 1:34 PM]

Posted by jaydh:

I wonder how much the roles, in this thread, would be reversed if obama was white and hilary black.