Posted by iyamwutiam:

Actually Larry's style has always been set plays -therefore givingthe team more time to set up defensively. Isiah is trying to get a more fluid style by putting pressure on the opposing teams defense by spreading out the focus by having talented players at every position.

Take a lok at the Indiana team:
O Neal - can shoot/post up and play some defense
Harrington - can shoot, go to the post but not a lot of defense
Tinsley- can go to the hole, shoot a little bit , play some defense
Miller- can shoot , pass play some defense
Artest- can shoot ok, post up and play some defense

This is opposed to what Brown did in Philadelphia- Snow can only shoot if he was wide open, Tyrone Hil rebounding, defense no shooting, Arron McKie can't realy shoot, play defense
Iverson -can shoot and play defense
Geroge Lych-rebounds, plays defense
i other words - LB would rather have 6-7 guys who are offensively challenged and have them focus on just playing defense- with one or two players who have great offense- he is actually very lucky that AI is also a very good defensive player - as witnessed by his steals total every year.

Very different teams. Also before you go and point out Detroit - remember he had no personal decisions there - and that team was primarily an offensive juggernaut -when you consider Rashid/Chauncey and RIP.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

The pistons weren't his team - he coached there for 2 years and they were going to playoffs before he got there - please.

Indiana - never got to the finals - the other LB fired him and took the pacers to the Finals. Nets- he quit, Clippers - he quit.

Neither were very good teams- the only team he stuck around with for any length of time was Indian and Philly.

So--- next!

Posted by GKFv2:

If your only going to post here to defend Isiah, then start filling out your resignation papers.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by GKFv2:

If your only going to post here to defend Isiah, then start filling out your resignation papers.

Martin and Andrew may debunk this but I thought from day one he was a gimmick. Think about it. He's the only poster on this board defending I SAY UGH in the manner he is. He has zero support of his arguments from others and his slants are all centered around the coach and nothing else. We haven't figured out who it is but I'm still going with Misterearl or an understudy. He probably got a secondary email account not noticeably detectable or it's someone from the past familiar with Earl's style and has incorporated into his own. Pretty good masquerading with HORRIFUL substance.

wasupwitdat=iyamwutiam

OK, so this guy is really serious? LOL.. wow..... I am speechless!

Posted by Bippity10:

Nix: You spent all offseason telling us how great this team would be. And now you are okay with the team "trying hard"? Shouldn't that be a given? We were supposedly the greatest 33 win team in the history of the NBa last year. We would have won 38-50 had we not suffered all the injuries. We added a 20-10 superstar to the team. And yet somehow now we are led to believe that the fact that they try should be enough to satisfy the fan base. I would find that amazing but since it's happened 3 years in a row I no longer do. Every year you are on the prowl during the summer about how good the team is. Then when we come up short you try to lower expectations of those that are disappointed.

I ask the question again. As a fan, when is it okay for me to start expecting REAL WINS INSTEAD OF MORALE VICTORIES?

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Iam not sure how pointing out that LB has only once been to the finals -has anything to do with Isiah. As I said earlier in posts- I was in the Philly area for some time during LB's stint (Media, Pennsylvania) to be exact. I never liked his coaching style , his bashing of Iverson, or his 'defense' oriented play- not that I am not saying defense isn't important. I guess watching the Bulls who had three to four skilled players -who also played defense and watching them win all those championships may have had something to do with it. I watched the plodding play of the pacers with the Davis's brothers and the inside out combo of Smits and Miller- but give me the Lakers or Bulls style of play everyday.

As far as the Isiah stuff goes: The main thing -is context- regardless of the incessant propaganda of 'rugged individualism' - we as a country and soon a globe are typified by being organizational beings. Anyone with a job knows -whether you are a GM/CEO etc - you are to toe the organizational line - particularly if you are not the first choice.

1. All I have said was - when your not the first choice, have a bad rap and get this kind of position - he had to tread very carefully.

2. For a guy who prides himself or gets some rep for picking well in the draft - it makes no sense to go out and get Marbury for two draft picks.

3. Getting two hall of fame coaches -ones that were available for whatever reasons - also does not strike me as the thing that an egotistical guy would do- if he had carte blanche.

4. The fact that only he and the 'eternal' herb williams are with the team - lets me know - that he did what he needed to do for the 'organization' and kept his job or source of income. Millions of americans do this everyday- in government and business- with more far reaching and serious consequences than just a bad basketball team.

Some of the mistakes - I do extrapolate out - perhaps wrongly- like Marbury/Jalen Rose/Steve Francis and perhaps Jerome James. However there is no denying - the 'shop for groceries' and te arrival of some of these players- there is enough documentation to make a valid exxtropolation.

Others are clearly in Isiah's court- Curry/Randolph/Crawford/Jeffries- deciding wich rookies to play the most the last two years - Lee/Robinson -as opposed to say Collins and Morris Randolph. I see none of these as bad as Francis, J. Rose, Adnoal Foyle (with the Warriors), trading for Chriss Webber (Philly) etc. Bad maybe - horrible - to me - no.

As far as people agreeing with me- what can I say. Years ago - many people thought the tech companies were ridiculously over-valued - but it went on and on -it seems and all the nay sayers were branded as idiots - including George Soros and Warren Buffett. The same scenario repeated itself in Housing. The point is -whether a majority of people agree with my premises or not -does not make them incorrect or correct- the end result will tell. If given a fair time line - I think -this will be a vastly different team by 2009/2010 season - and it will have an enviable number of assets- as did Indiana when Isiah left.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-31-2008 8:28 PM]

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Iam not sure how pointing out that LB has only once been to the finals -has anything to do with Isiah. As I said earlier in posts- I was in the Philly area for some time during LB's stint (Media, Pennsylvania) to be exact. I never liked his coaching style , his bashing of Iverson, or his 'defense' oriented play- not that I am not saying defense isn't important. I guess watching the Bulls who had three to four skilled players -who also played defense and watching them win all those championships may have had something to do with it. I watched the plodding play of the pacers with the Davis's brothers and the inside out combo of Smits and Miller- but give me the Lakers or Bulls style of play everyday.

As far as the Isiah stuff goes: The main thing -is context- regardless of the incessant propaganda of 'rugged individualism' - we as a country and soon a globe are typified by being organizational beings. Anyone with a job knows -whether you are a GM/CEO etc - you are to toe the organizational line - particularly if you are not the first choice.

1. All I have said was - when your not the first choice, have a bad rap and get this kind of position - he had to tread very carefully.

2. For a guy who prides himself or gets some rep for picking well in the draft - it makes no sense to go out and get Marbury for two draft picks.

3. Getting two hall of fame coaches -ones that were available for whatever reasons - also does not strike me as the thing that an egotistical guy would do- if he had carte blanche.

4. The fact that only he and the 'eternal' herb williams are with the team - lets me know - that he did what he needed to do for the 'organization' and kept his job or source of income. Millions of americans do this everyday- in government and business- with more far reaching and serious consequences than just a bad basketball team.

Some of the mistakes - I do extrapolate out - perhaps wrongly- like Marbury/Jalen Rose/Steve Francis and perhaps Jerome James. However there is no denying - the 'shop for groceries' and te arrival of some of these players- there is enough documentation to make a valid exxtropolation.

Others are clearly in Isiah's court- Curry/Randolph/Crawford/Jeffries- deciding wich rookies to play the most the last two years - Lee/Robinson -as opposed to say Collins and Morris Randolph. I see none of these as bad as Francis, J. Rose, Adnoal Foyle (with the Warriors), trading for Chriss Webber (Philly) etc. Bad maybe - horrible - to me - no.

As far as people agreeing with me- what can I say. Years ago - many people thought the tech companies were ridiculously over-valued - but it went on and on -it seems and all the nay sayers were branded as idiots - including George Soros and Warren Buffett. The same scenario repeated itself in Housing. The point is -whether a majority of people agree with my premises or not -does not make them incorrect or correct- the end result will tell. If given a fair time line - I think -this will be a vastly different team by 2009/2010 season - and it will have an enviable number of assets- as did Indiana when Isiah left.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-31-2008 8:28 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by GKFv2:

If your only going to post here to defend Isiah, then start filling out your resignation papers.

Martin and Andrew may debunk this but I thought from day one he was a gimmick. Think about it. He's the only poster on this board defending I SAY UGH in the manner he is. He has zero support of his arguments from others and his slants are all centered around the coach and nothing else. We haven't figured out who it is but I'm still going with Misterearl or an understudy. He probably got a secondary email account not noticeably detectable or it's someone from the past familiar with Earl's style and has incorporated into his own. Pretty good masquerading with HORRIFUL substance.

wasupwitdat=iyamwutiam

OK, so this guy is really serious? LOL.. wow..... I am speechless!

What do you mean?

I mean is this guy serious about defending Isiah and trying to trash larry brown. I thought this was some kind of gimmick, but it seems he is serious..

Well it's both because Misterearl always had a stiff woody for I SAY UGH.