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Pre-season Game Thread: Knicks vs. Tel Aviv -- All Ballin', No Bitchin' -- Orange and Blue is Back
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NYK3
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10/12/2007  11:50 AM
What was up with the announcer at the garden? wheres Mike Walczewski? HE BETTER BE BACK FOR THE REGULAR SEASON...THIS GUY IS THE VOICE OF THE KNICKS AND THE GARDEN
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BasketballJones
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10/12/2007  1:24 PM
https:// It's not so hard.
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10/12/2007  1:38 PM
There is a commercial where they have this guy calling NY Knicks "formidable" and asking Boston if they know what that means. Is that guy Andrew or martin?
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10/12/2007  2:57 PM
I'm sure the Boston fans are quite aware of what formidable means after witnessing Bill Russel, Kevin McHale, Larry Bird and so on, ring up championship after championship.
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PresIke
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10/12/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by VDesai:

It's not that Eddy and Zach will be running into each other b/c they play the same game. It's clear they have some different skills. The problem is you can't pass the ball to them at the same time. Eddy needs touches and shots to be effective. We forcefed his way to 20 ppg last year. Now with Zach as a more effective scorer up front...are we really going to be wanting for forcefeed Eddy as much. With less touches will Eddy be effective? Especially when Eddy contributes so little in other aspects of the game (namely defense and rebounding?)

I'll ask this, have there been teams that have been able to win and function well before that have two players who can score? I mean it sounds as if these are the only two players that will score. Most plays will probably be run for either one of them. Also, the argument you and others are presented presumes that they are both going to be on the floor together at the same time, all of the time, which I doubt will be the case.

I would also disagree with the played out noion that Eddy contributes "little" in other aspects of the game. Defense...sure, it's his most significant weakness...but in terms of rebounding there is more than enough evidence to suggest you are wrong. I would say he's an INCONSISTENT rebounder, which is what the numbers argue. That's different than being "poor," especially when around 25% of all games played in last year he had double digit figures in rebounding. One can also diminish the significance of Eddy's inconsistent boarding because the Knicks were already one of the top rebounding teams in the NBA, and just added Randolph who is not only one of the best rebounders in the league, but also on the offensive glass.

But, why are you even discussing rebounding or defense when neither of these have anything to do with the so-called problem with touches, which is essentially the gist of your argument.

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PresIke
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10/12/2007  3:28 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by VDesai:

Anyway, a lot of you guys and a handful of "experts" thought we'd lose to these bums or have some trouble and we kicked the crap out of them. So there's that...

Really? Who on this board? And what experts? Please, I need a good laugh.

eViL, there were certainly mutterings from folks in the press that Maccabbi would have at least made the game competitive, because they stood more to gain from winning, with one player even declaring that they would win. I heard Breen say he thought the game would be more competitive, non MSG and here's another quotes from the media:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10122007/sports/knicks/garden_spares_isiah.htm?page=2

Maccabi has four former NBA players, including Vonteego Cummings and Marcus Fizer. Cummings, who scored 21 points, had guaranteed a victory.

Of course, the Knicks should be favored, but also the presumption that there might be a pro-Maccabbi crowd (which I read elsewhere) might have also had a potential effect.
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10/12/2007  3:29 PM
When a team has two good big time scorers- generally both are playmakers capable of creating their own shot or at least one of them is. There are only a handful of succesful examples of guys playing up front (who generally need to be fed the ball rather than create at the start of the play) who were able to score effectively in tandem. Curry in particular, is most effective offensively when the offense is set for him to score. If he's not the primary option out there, will his effectiveness scoring the ball dwindle? And if his effectiveness at his greatest strength dwindles, does he warrant being out there on the floor at the same time as Zach, when he's not contributing effectively in the other aspects of the game defense, rebounding, passing etc? (BTW...when did 25% of the time qualify for being inconsistent. You're implying he's not being effective at rebounding a significant majority of the time...that's being ineffective period).
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10/12/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by VDesai:

It's not that Eddy and Zach will be running into each other b/c they play the same game. It's clear they have some different skills. The problem is you can't pass the ball to them at the same time. Eddy needs touches and shots to be effective. We forcefed his way to 20 ppg last year. Now with Zach as a more effective scorer up front...are we really going to be wanting for forcefeed Eddy as much. With less touches will Eddy be effective? Especially when Eddy contributes so little in other aspects of the game (namely defense and rebounding?)

I'll ask this, have there been teams that have been able to win and function well before that have two players who can score? I mean it sounds as if these are the only two players that will score. Most plays will probably be run for either one of them. Also, the argument you and others are presented presumes that they are both going to be on the floor together at the same time, all of the time, which I doubt will be the case.

I would also disagree with the played out noion that Eddy contributes "little" in other aspects of the game. Defense...sure, it's his most significant weakness...but in terms of rebounding there is more than enough evidence to suggest you are wrong. I would say he's an INCONSISTENT rebounder, which is what the numbers argue. That's different than being "poor," especially when around 25% of all games played in last year he had double digit figures in rebounding. One can also diminish the significance of Eddy's inconsistent boarding because the Knicks were already one of the top rebounding teams in the NBA, and just added Randolph who is not only one of the best rebounders in the league, but also on the offensive glass.

But, why are you even discussing rebounding or defense when neither of these have anything to do with the so-called problem with touches, which is essentially the gist of your argument.

time is going to reveal all, but i'm guessing either zach or eddy will not be a knick by the time the 2008 season rolls around.
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10/12/2007  4:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

time is going to reveal all, but i'm guessing either zach or eddy will not be a knick by the time the 2008 season rolls around.
are you guessing or are you "guessing"
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10/12/2007  11:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by VDesai:

It's not that Eddy and Zach will be running into each other b/c they play the same game. It's clear they have some different skills. The problem is you can't pass the ball to them at the same time. Eddy needs touches and shots to be effective. We forcefed his way to 20 ppg last year. Now with Zach as a more effective scorer up front...are we really going to be wanting for forcefeed Eddy as much. With less touches will Eddy be effective? Especially when Eddy contributes so little in other aspects of the game (namely defense and rebounding?)

I'll ask this, have there been teams that have been able to win and function well before that have two players who can score? I mean it sounds as if these are the only two players that will score. Most plays will probably be run for either one of them. Also, the argument you and others are presented presumes that they are both going to be on the floor together at the same time, all of the time, which I doubt will be the case.

I would also disagree with the played out noion that Eddy contributes "little" in other aspects of the game. Defense...sure, it's his most significant weakness...but in terms of rebounding there is more than enough evidence to suggest you are wrong. I would say he's an INCONSISTENT rebounder, which is what the numbers argue. That's different than being "poor," especially when around 25% of all games played in last year he had double digit figures in rebounding. One can also diminish the significance of Eddy's inconsistent boarding because the Knicks were already one of the top rebounding teams in the NBA, and just added Randolph who is not only one of the best rebounders in the league, but also on the offensive glass.

But, why are you even discussing rebounding or defense when neither of these have anything to do with the so-called problem with touches, which is essentially the gist of your argument.

time is going to reveal all, but i'm guessing either zach or eddy will not be a knick by the time the 2008 season rolls around.

This wouldn't shock me either.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
Pre-season Game Thread: Knicks vs. Tel Aviv -- All Ballin', No Bitchin' -- Orange and Blue is Back

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