Posted by Nalod:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by djsunyc:

so far, it's a bunch of guys on this forum talking about this. i would like to hear from some female posters and their views on this. and quick before tkf and cossucks blow up the courthouse.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-02-2007 2:45 PM]

There are female posters on this board?

I think we have just two. Not counting Bonn.

Three. You forgot babyKnicks.

Posted by Andrew:

tkf, how does a jury appropriately punish a huge company so it forces them to make a change in how they do business?

Do you think awarding someone $1M would do it? That would be like fining a regular person $1.

what was MSG doing that was illegal? is it our responsiblity to change the way they do business, if it is not illegal? And again if this was a mom and pop company would they have awarded here 11.6 million? or are you suggesting that we award damages not based on the so called crime, but on how much money a company has?

Posted by martin:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by martin:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...

tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.

I agree to some extent, but the testimony of here incompetence had to come into play and Isiah had nothing to do with that. This was a sneaky, overzealous, ambitious woman who ran into someone with the same traits but much more power, and was willing to make sure she understood that. could this have been handled better? of course and that should have been done by mills, that other incomopetent boob. But there is no doubt in my mind that she started falling off in her duties, she used MSG expenses as part of a tax fraud scam, something she never denied or had an answer for. dolan jumped the gun firing her, but she was deserving of being fired just for that action alone. I don't care about here fast track, she derailed that herself, and Honestly two years salary is the most she should get!

If she was so incompetent, how come the bonuses and raises? Sure, she was ambitious and probably bull-headed, nothing wrong with that.

Why is there no doubt in your mind that she started falling off in her duties, and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?

martin, I think the bonuse and raise thing was put to rest, from what I read, those were given well before she started making criticle mistakes in her duties, especially when she took on a bigger role.

and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?

what? so let me ask you, what does dog fighting have to do with vicks work on the field for the falcons?

It is a matter of character and judgment, she displayed poor judgement and questionable character when she tried to defraud the government using MSG's expenditures. that is fraudulent and against the law and most of all, I am sure that violated some company policy in some way. It has a lot to do with her duties at MSG since as an executive she is relied upon to make judgment decisions and so far including that fiasco her judgment can be called into question..

It is my understanding that she got bonuses and raises right up until she got canned.

Why are you bringing up Vick? That has nothing to do with a hostile environment at MSG, just like Brown's taxes have nothing to do with a hostile working environment.

I am sure the IRS will be getting in touch with Brown about the tax thing.

Martin? what was hostile about the work enviornment? and the taxes does have something to do with it. She used MSG's expenditures! She helped created this so called enviornment if it did exist... come on man...

But big-time defense attorney Ed Hayes said the non-black panel is "very unusual."

"I think that black men and black women often talk to each other in a very rough way, which white people might not be sensitive to," Hayes said.

They also heard a new allegation from Sanders, who for the first time accused Thomas of directing his venom not only at women, but whites as well.

"I don't give a f--- about these white people," Thomas allegedly snapped when Sanders asked him to sign letters to season-ticket holders, the majority of whom were white.

Thomas’s opinions on black-white relations prompted Anne C. Vladeck, one of Browne Sanders’s lawyers, to try to cite an incident when she said he “interjected” race as an N.B.A. player. Her reference was to his remarks about Larry Bird, the Boston Celtics Hall of Fame forward, after the Celtics defeated Thomas’s Detroit Pistons in the 1987 Eastern Conference finals.

Thomas said that Bird was “a very, very good basketball player,” and that he agreed with comments made by his teammate Dennis Rodman, saying, “If Bird was black, he’d be just another guy.”

But Vladeck’s attempt to use the 20-year-old remarks led to a swiftly stated objection by Dolan’s lawyer, Ronald M. Green, and United States District Court Judge Gerard E. Lynch said emphatically, “Absolutely sustained.”

They tried to make the all white jury hate Isiah based on race. Race should not have played any role in this case at all.

COSSUCKS: Isiah is a racist. This has been established. I gurantee an all white jury in a case of a black woman going after a white man owned organization and one of its black employees, with most of the people testifying being white, isnt going to see color as much as you would. They brought up race to show the level of Isiah's unprofessionalism. And it is what laywers do. And in choosing juries, both sides get choice of the jury. So the big white owned company MSG multi million dollar lawyers should have thought of this during jury selection.

TKF: Why are you defending them so much? I was once falsely accused of sexual harrasement by a co worker, but because she didnt have anything to base it on, it was quickly dropped. Why are you protecting these douchebags? Youve seen the way James Dolan is, youve seen and read about how Isiah is. These are arrogant, pompous simpletons placed into positions of power with no reprecussions for their actions. Well now theyve been made to pay for their actions, and they STILL wont accept it. Its the height of arrogance.

Isiah reminds me of G W Bush. A failure at everything he has done as an executive, yet people give him chance after chance. And James Dolan strikes me as his Dick Cheney. They feel they are above the law, above the petty Knicks fans, above all the people below them. Just like the Bush Administration they attacked the woman who brought up the charges. EVEN THOUGH she kept getting promoted and given great performance marks by her superiors.

Youre buying their line just like a southern hick bought the line that GW was saving them from terrorists, which now most people see was complete BS.

When you have a trillion dollars like dolamite and MSG, you can appeal this case for the rest of your life.

Anucka better not go on a credit card shopping spree so soon, she won't get paid for a while mark my words.

mitch Lawerence was getting interviewd by chuck swirsky, I just heard this on the fan590 in toronto.

Posted by toodarkmark:

COSSUCKS: Isiah is a racist. This has been established. I gurantee an all white jury in a case of a black woman going after a white man owned organization and one of its black employees, with most of the people testifying being white, isnt going to see color as much as you would. They brought up race to show the level of Isiah's unprofessionalism. And it is what laywers do. And in choosing juries, both sides get choice of the jury. So the big white owned company MSG multi million dollar lawyers should have thought of this during jury selection.

TKF: Why are you defending them so much? I was once falsely accused of sexual harrasement by a co worker, but because she didnt have anything to base it on, it was quickly dropped. Why are you protecting these douchebags? Youve seen the way James Dolan is, youve seen and read about how Isiah is. These are arrogant, pompous simpletons placed into positions of power with no reprecussions for their actions. Well now theyve been made to pay for their actions, and they STILL wont accept it. Its the height of arrogance.

Isiah reminds me of G W Bush. A failure at everything he has done as an executive, yet people give him chance after chance. And James Dolan strikes me as his Dick Cheney. They feel they are above the law, above the petty Knicks fans, above all the people below them. Just like the Bush Administration they attacked the woman who brought up the charges. EVEN THOUGH she kept getting promoted and given great performance marks by her superiors.

Youre buying their line just like a southern hick bought the line that GW was saving them from terrorists, which now most people see was complete BS.

I am not defending MSG, read my post, I said they all are culpable, I am just upset at how a system can award money to this lady for having a huge hand in her own fate. She helped create such an enviornment..

As far as your case goes, I am sorry that happened to you, and I don't know your finances, but if you were worth 20 mil, I bet your ass that case was going to trial.....

Leave interns and ladies in high positions alone it can cost ya 11.6 million.




Didn't I tell you about fooling with white women, didn't you watch OJ case?


You could have wound up like this

Posted by RemBee76:

Come on, Blue, I'm not equating them by saying "they are the same thing", I'm saying they both could be considered symptoms of a "frat house mentality" which in one context is overlooked, in another is pointed to as an indication of the franchise's fall from grace. Doesn't seem to me that it had far to fall.

How is a player getting laid on the road the same as a institutional harassment all the way at the top ranks of management of the home franchise?

As for "executives creating a hostile, harassing and exploitive working environment"...the guilty verdict doesn't indicate that this relates at all to Marbury's affair with Decker.

I never claimed it did. But it might. Anucha thought it did, and the jury seemed to agree with the brunt of her case.

No, I don't think it absolutely impossible that Isiah created so exploitative an environment that an intern felt she needed to date Marbury's cousin, go out with him to a strip club for her birthday, and service the team's point guard in his truck to keep her job. I just find it extraordinarily unlikely.

Who knows. But we do know that Marbury's cousin was given a job he was unqualified for, and reports have it that he still felt entitled to call his boss by unsavory epithets. We also know that one executive had my sig in his notes, so we see where many in the organization perceived Marbury's head to be at. We have the article below of Isiah railroading other executives in addition to Anucha. He turned over the head physician and all the trainers; he turned over the roster several times; coaches got fired every year; and we had Anucha and Decker caught in the middle of it all. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think an intern might feel the need to tow the line just to survive.

Sources: Isiah, VP Had 'Wild Argument'
30th January, 2006 - 4:09 am
New York Post - Anucha Browne Sanders and Frank Murphy are listed as senior
vice presidents with full-page bios in the Knicks media guide.

Both worked under Isiah Thomas and both are gone now. Sanders left before
filing a sexual harassment suit against Thomas. Two sources said Murphy's
departure also came under suspect circumstances, despite the club's company
line that he retired.

Two sources said Murphy, the senior VP of Basketball Operations who managed
the team's salary cap and structured contracts, agreed to a "retirement
settlement" late in preseason only after a "wild argument" with Thomas.

"It's been a well-kept secret in the organization what the argument was
over," one source said. "Even the top executives like Anucha didn't know."

A Knick official said Murphy actually was the liason between Sanders and
Thomas. Hence, Sanders and Thomas did not speak often, the Knick official
said.

The Knicks say several different people have inherited Murphy's job. Murphy,
64, had worked for the Knicks since 1990.

"I have no comment," Murphy said. "I'm just enjoying retirement."


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-02-2007 4:59 PM]