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Bippity10
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9/17/2007  9:53 AM
I'm with you misterearl, it's always innocent until proven guilty in my book. Until it's concluded I can't say I believe Anucha anymore than I believe Isiah and Dolan. Both sides have reasons to lie and reasons to tell the truth. I'm not going to let the media sway my decision. But I do have a problem with this management team constantly getting us into the press in a negative fashion. One day I want to be in the media because we are winning.

Misterearl: I know you like to paint everything with a racist brush. But when I look at this situation I find it difficult to say it's strictly racially motivated when Dolan is getting torched as harshly as Isiah and the accuser is black.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-09-2007 10:41 AM]
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9/17/2007  10:08 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you misterearl, it's always innocent until proven guilty in my book. Until it's concluded I can't say I believe Anucha anymore than I believe Isiah and Dolan. Both sides have reasons to lie and reasons to tell the truth. I'm not going to let the media sway my decision. But I do have a problem with this management team constantly getting us into the press in a negative fashion. One day I want to be in the media because we are winning.

Misterearl: I know you like to paint everything with a racist brush. But when I look at this situation I find it difficult to say it's strictly racially motivated when Dolan is getting torched as harshly as Isiah.

No - it is about race.
Ant this race name is Morons and Snakes.


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9/17/2007  10:49 AM
"Misterearl: I know you like to paint everything with a racist brush"

bippity - you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Racism is never a part of my vocabulary as you leap to thatr conclusion. Racism and race are two different things.

The statement that I, your best Knicks buddy, "paint everything with a racist brush" demands an immediate retraction or I will need to seek legal redress with my counsel Paulie Walnuts.
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9/17/2007  10:58 AM
Posted by misterearl:

"Misterearl: I know you like to paint everything with a racist brush"

bippity - you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Racism is never a part of my vocabulary as you leap to thatr conclusion. Racism and race are two different things.

The statement that I, your best Knicks buddy, "paint everything with a racist brush" demands an immediate retraction or I will need to seek legal redress with my counsel Paulie Walnuts.

Give him a call. I will be ready
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9/17/2007  11:03 AM
Is racism against race of “Morons and Snakes” punishable by low?
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9/17/2007  11:20 AM
huh?
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9/17/2007  11:27 AM
Just Curious

bippity - do you think the comparative descriptions, accounts and treatment of Head Coaches Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis, at Notre Dame, have anything to do with race?

Yes or no

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9/17/2007  11:35 AM
What has been particularly annoying is reading all the Media articles that are VERY slanted in favor of Anucha's claims. They eventually throw in alegged but only after they've made it sound as if Isiah actually has been proved to have said the things she claims. IN fact they're bashing MSG in general for having done these things pretty much based on unproven claims.

In the case of the intern, they constantly put the blame on Steph and Hassan and seem to ignore the fact that this young woman had options. She wasn't being forced to do anything. Nothing has been presented other than Anucha's 3rd party claims as to what the intern said. I'd be interested to see if she would put things in the same words or how she'd stand up to cross examination. It's a rough thing to do, but it's only fair that we get the chance to learn more about what happened from the source and not Anucha's memory.

MSG is a big business and I've known very few that have a squeaky clean record. Perhaps not sexual harrassment, but most of guilty of some sort of activity that would fail the test under clsoe scrutiny. It doesn't surprise me that there are problems at MSG, given who is running things. I won't just believe everthing that's being claimed tho, without more proof, just because these men aren't good guys.
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9/17/2007  11:38 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Just Curious

bippity - do you think the comparative descriptions, accounts and treatment of Head Coaches Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis, at Notre Dame, have anything to do with race?

Yes or no

Yes I do. I think some situations are comparable and some are not. Ty coached at the same school as Weis and had more success but was being run out of town at this point. IN this situation I can understand race being brought up. But not in EVERY SITUATION. I try to be fair and look at each situation seperately. Some can't do this.

If Willingham dragged Notre Dame through the media mud 3 or 4 times like Isiah and Dolan have than I would think he deserved to be criticized. But he didn't so I am on your side on that one. This one I'm not.

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9/17/2007  11:57 AM
Don't Believe The Hype

bippity - Isiah and Dolan haven't dragged the Knicks through the media. The NY media is a pack of vultures circling, looking for fresh meat anyplace they can find it. If it's in the gutter, even better, that stuff makes juicier headlines which sells more papers.

Isn't that what its all about?

If it was up to "the media", that arrogant, good-looking, cheatin', overpaid A-Rod would have been run out of town in May.

Anucha's accounts have yet to be decided, in a court of law, as fact.

Why is there the rush to judge Dolan and Isiah, while CONFIRMED cheater, against the very sport which employs him, Bill Belichiek, gets to pass go and collect $200 without a single whisper against his "character"?

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c'mon

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9/17/2007  12:07 PM
I have watched a coach led out by security guards one summer. Another coach spends a summer arguing with players and Owner and sues the team. And a third ofseason situation where my team is being sued again. Yes our organization is being dragged through the mud.

No Bellichick is not getting dragged through the mud. I agree. Did Larry Brown? His name was torn apart so bad that he can't even get a job. Every situation is different. These are different sports. Different situations. Different media. Not every situation can be compared. If Bellichic was going through his 4th year with the higest payroll and 6-10 records I don't think his cheating would be viewed as it is today. This is the nature of sports.

Isiah and Dolan are getting blasted for 8 years of total losing(almost 4 for Isiah). Mismanagement of funds. Season long scandals and a fan base that is pretty sick of it. Put the NY media on top of it and you have what you have. Pretty simple.
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9/17/2007  12:26 PM

I liked Don Chaney. Yes, being led out by guards was tacky.

Larry Brown didn't work and was bought out. Happens all the time. Let's also be real, Larry Brown can't get a job because he is a jerk. Piston/RedWings owner Bill Davidson was right all along.

Just because MSG is being sued don't make it fact.

Isiah and Dolan are getting blasted because of the resentment of media policies that make it more difficult to make deadlines. The Knicks, like many corporate entities are complex and cold. The media could care less about how Dolan spends his money, how he plays the guitar or whether the Knicks win or lose.

This is an opportunity for the media to get back at the enemy.

It ain't that juicy.

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9/17/2007  12:32 PM
You are correct. It's the media. We have been run with class and dignity. IT's the media that is to blame
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9/17/2007  1:02 PM
bippity - that's not what I'm saying and you know it

Whether Cablevision or the Knicks are run with class and dignity is only known by the people on the inside of 2 Penn Plaza. I wish Mark Cuban owned the Knicks but that ain't happening and so far no one can identify ANY alternative ownership or administration.

So it is what it is.

The soap opera can only hold my attention for a limited period of time before it gets dull.

To the extent the media wants to drill down, and hit the playback button, on the sideshow is a matter of appetite and taste.

I care more about is seeing the next edition of Isiah Thomas' "visionary" acquisitions - The Mayor, Jamal, Mardy Collins, David Lee and Zach Randolph - on the floor at the same time. I use the word "visionary" because the moves were EXECUTED as opposed to wet-dreamed on.... any alternative speculation is pure fantasy. Somebody had to step in, work relentlessly, and change aging dreck into compelling yoots. That does not happen without sacrifice... or without taking chances... or without criticism...

Let the games begin

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9/17/2007  2:06 PM
So it is, what it is, so stop talking about it? Stop being upset with it? "Get over it"
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9/17/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by misterearl:


I liked Don Chaney. Yes, being led out by guards was tacky.

Larry Brown didn't work and was bought out. Happens all the time. Let's also be real, Larry Brown can't get a job because he is a jerk. Piston/RedWings owner Bill Davidson was right all along.

Just because MSG is being sued don't make it fact.

Isiah and Dolan are getting blasted because of the resentment of media policies that make it more difficult to make deadlines. The Knicks, like many corporate entities are complex and cold. The media could care less about how Dolan spends his money, how he plays the guitar or whether the Knicks win or lose.

This is an opportunity for the media to get back at the enemy.

It ain't that juicy.

just win baby

Bill Davidson is a jerk. And he owns the Tampa Bay Lighting.
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9/17/2007  4:12 PM
So Wide You Can't Get Around It

Nalod - Even you and I might act like jerks from time to time if we made that much chedda

What made Bill Davidson a jerk?

bippity - I'm too busy trying to "get over" to try and simply just "get over it" but if I need to "get over it" to "get over" I suppose I'll just hafta try a bit harder to overlook the institutionalized behavior and treatments that are overdue for change.

okay, now I'm over it.

Over
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9/17/2007  4:55 PM
Misterearl: I as a fan will not stand for the lunacy that goes on at the garden. It's difficult to change, and maybe impossible but that is not going to make me keep my mouth shut. Every GM that goes into NY has the ability to fight the owner and the continued yearly mismanagement of the Knicks which has occurred for years. LB/JVG/PR are the only personalities that were strong enough to stand up and say "do things my way". None of it has resulted in a title, but we know that when we win it will be because the GM/coach took control. Knowing this, I will not stop calling for it.
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9/17/2007  5:05 PM
The reason why there seems to be a "slant" or assigned "blame" to certain parties...more specifically, those associated with Isiah (Lord Zeke, Marbles and his cuz) is as clear as day.

IN THE EYES OF MANY OF THE FANS (that don't necessarily post on message boards), THE MEDIA and SPORTS FANS (in general)- Isiah has done a bad job. Marbury is a blithering idiot and his cousin's hiring was a clear example of nepotism. Just because people like Senor Earl and Nixluva seem to support this Knicks regime does not mean they are in the majority- in fact, they are part of a very, tiny, microscopic sect of Knicks fans. On the same token, you can be a fan of the KNICKS and not necessarily support the current regime.

The reality is that Patrick Ewing, Oakley and whole bunch of other players were involved in that Atlanta strip club case and no one made as big of a deal because the team was WINNING. Since Isiah has endured many questionable moves and undeniable failures without consequence (getting fired), anyone and everyone is going to come down on him as well as Garden management and the man he made the face of the Knicks, "Stephon 'get out of my dreams, get in to my car' Marbury" with everything they have.

People who support Isiah and his moves get way too defensive over this while Isiah's detractors are loving this because it may be his exit from their beloved Knicks. What is often forgotten is that we are all Knicks fans.

You must look at what happened over the past three-plus years on paper to understand why there is a very anti-Isiah sentiment.

- RECORD: <.400
- DRAFT PICKS: 4 first round picks surrendered in Marbury & Curry trades (2 lottery picks) and several second round picks
- MLE: $30M+ on two players we have no use for; plus useless acquisitions of Francis, Vin Baker, JYD, Jalen Rose
- COACHES: three over a three year tenure
- STRATEGIC PLAN: was there ever one or it evolves as he makes moves

These are FACTS. Yes, Zach Randolph is a top-flight PF but is he really the guy we need? If David Lee is so great, why is he not starting at PF? He would have been a lower cost alternative and maybe we could have used Frye in a different trade to acquire a vet PF/C.

Did we really need to turn Penny's expiring deal in to Francis? And don't blame LB, because if I am correct, its the GM that signs the papers when a trade is made. Again, Steph and Penny came in a trade and we turned Penny in to Francis which equals trading for Francis & Stephon...that is just deplorable.

Why sign Jerome James? You just drafted Frye as your center...you drafted Lee as a PF...Isiah termed this "rebuilding."

Why sign Jared Jeffries? You draft Balkman the same year and then in the ensuing draft, you take a similar player in Chandler.

This is WHY many fans, media, etc are "slanting" this whole Isiah thing...its another black eye (no race card intended)...Isiah has two choices according to most 1) WIN 2) GO AWAY
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9/17/2007  5:12 PM
bippity - I'm witchoo on finally trying to resolve the historic political mess that has characterized MSG for over 30 years.

the soap opera that is MSG has two recurring themes.

(1) The revolving door is stacked with people in transition and

(2) the delegation of power in lesser areas before the upper levels of management are locked in place with leaders that can be trusted to manage the administrative side of the franchise.

The Riley years, and the resulting power struggle with Checketts, is a perfect example. Van Gundy versus Ernie Grunfeld is yet another.

For all of Isiah's warts, he is just smarmy enough to play the corporate games and survive. Barely. If he wins this year, should he survive Anucha-Gate, his position is strengthened. If the Knicks miss the playoffs, he is toast.

It ain't that deep.

However it plays out, the next guy in the Presidential Chair cannot be as naive as Layden or as power-hungry as Larry Brown.

As history indicates, Knicks Team President is a nearly impossible role to fill and even more problemmatic to maintain any continuity.

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