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djsunyc
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8/22/2007  6:26 PM
when marbury talks, he not only speaks on his behalf but is a representative of the ny knicks organization, whether he likes it or not. he is their employee and gets paid alot of money.

so he is free to speak his mind, the right given to him by the 1st amendment, but everytime he speaks, hundreds of people back at 2 penn plaza are left scrambling b/c of it.

but marbury is what he is. no need to go crazy over it. the marbury era will be over within 2 years and the page can be turned.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08-22-2007 6:28 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:

when marbury talks, he not only speaks on his behalf but is a representative of the ny knicks organization, whether he likes it or not. he is their employee and gets paid alot of money.

so he is free to speak his mind, the right given to him by the 1st amendment, but everytime he speaks, hundreds of people back at 2 penn plaza are left scrambling b/c of it.

Awesome!


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8/22/2007  6:29 PM
Posted by Vmart:

The Micheal Vick situation has nothing to do with Dogs if you guys think the FBI is after Vick because he killed dogs you guys are sadly mistaken. This has to do with Illegal gambling and exchange of monies and profits made without tax being paid. The Dog thing is just used to get all sentimental about a helpless animal and that helps the case against Mike Vick. Dogs come on people get smarter will you. They know its just another animal.

Why didn't anybody go after Roy Jones Jr?

Dude has a farm raising cok fighting roosters , HBO or some other sports show even had a feature on Roy Jones Jr about it.

Nobody said a peep about him and his fighting roosters that were raised to fight!



[Edited by - playa2 on 22-08-2007 18:31]
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Posted by Andrew:

I don't see how the NY media has already distorted his comments when basically the only thing printed as of yet is what was quoted here.

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Many athletes have spoken out about the Michael Vick situation. The latest is Knicks Star Guard, Stephon Marbury.

Speaking at a shoe release event outside Albany, Marbury said, "We don't say anything about people that shoot deer or shoot other animals. From what I hear dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors. And I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he's one of the superb athletes and I think he's a good human being. I just think he fell into a bad situation."


How is this distorted?

First of all, I'm a dog lover. But if this is what he said, then it could' be distorted. You cannot say anything that even remotely suggests supporting such an act. It's inhuman. Period! suckbury needs to simply keep his F'N mouth shut! Period! We don't need this. What the fu'k are athletes thinking nowadays? Every time you turn around, there's another one, in trouble for something they did or said.
Regarding the few of you who think deer hunting and dog hanging is the same, think again. Your talking about two different kinds of animals. One is domesticated and the other runs free in the woods. The one in the woods is born to survive. They dont' need someone to go out and feed them. They know how to survive in the winter moths. They are naturally hunted by wolves, coyotes and bears and it is fate that eventually takes them down. The human hunter is accepted, mainly because hunting is' a source of food. So the human hunter is factored into the fate of an animal. Consider also that the human hunter and the animals go back thousands of years. You cannot' domesticate a free roaming animal. In most cases they are dangerous to be near. Even a deer would attack you and try to kill you. Lets also consider that these animals have a chance to get away, if fate allows them to, unlike a cat or dog that is usually kept locked up. NOW....
....with that said. Sure' a dog is an animal, but in a totally different situation. It is defensless. It cannot feed itself, it will freeze to death in winter months, it is 'sociable' so it would be attracted to humans and less to the wild. So it needs to be protected by humans. So' it is reasonable to assume the humans would have to be responsible for it's well being. Especially since the animal is living in ever growing urban sprawl. It's just not safe. A bear, a coyote, a deer, a wolf, they know better than to enter a urban setting. There are some exceptions to all of this, but few. Make no mistake. in this country, people here are a dog and cat loving country. People would go to bat for either one, before they went to bat for a free roaming animal that lives in the woods. It is apparent. Look at all of the dog shows, the television shows, the animal hospitals, the pet hotels, the dog training camps. Make no mistake. People love they're dogs and cats and if you threaten they're well being, people will come after you. Believe me. suckbury needs to keep his ever lasting fu'k mouth shut for the next two years! Period!
For ANYONE to even think' it's okay to murder, let alone torture' a dog to death has got some serious, serious soul searching to do. Do not' defend this ****!!! Michael Vick can go to hell. He's not our problem and suckbury shouldn't be embracing that problem. This is a Federal law. You just don't break this kind of law.


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8/22/2007  7:53 PM
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Marbury is really quite suprising just how freaking stupid this man really is. Every time he hits a new low its just a matter of time until he stoops even futher.

That' is very well said. Funny as hell also.
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8/22/2007  7:55 PM
Let me address a couple of things.
Posted by RemBee76:

Thats a cop-out Andrew. Explain to me what you meant then, when you said they were "not that different" that should have precluded my pointing out how yes, actually, there is a big difference.

Its not a cop out. You asked what I thought happened after calves were done with at a rodeo. I contend that they go to the same slaughterhouse as calves that were bred for eating. You added what you think happens at the rodeo, changing the context.

You sense you are slipping in a debate...

What debate? My position all along has been I've never been to a rodeo, and have no first hand knowledge, so I am not going to jump to any conclusions on what is going on. You said yourself that you can find "reliable" sources that will tell you global warming is a myth. Thats my point exactly. We are in agreement. I don't find animal activist sites completely reliable, and I think that is our difference.
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Posted by playa2:
Posted by Vmart:

The Micheal Vick situation has nothing to do with Dogs if you guys think the FBI is after Vick because he killed dogs you guys are sadly mistaken. This has to do with Illegal gambling and exchange of monies and profits made without tax being paid. The Dog thing is just used to get all sentimental about a helpless animal and that helps the case against Mike Vick. Dogs come on people get smarter will you. They know its just another animal.

Why didn't anybody go after Roy Jones Jr?

Dude has a farm raising cok fighting roosters , HBO or some other sports show even had a feature on Roy Jones Jr about it.

Nobody said a peep about him and his fighting roosters that were raised to fight!



[Edited by - playa2 on 22-08-2007 18:31]

It's a good point. It shows just how blind sided we are when it comes to all' animals. We eat chickens and we never see the emotionaly side of them, so we don't really think to care about such things. As with dogs, they come up to us happy as a clam, ready for love. There's an emotional connection there. But coks, chickens, they'd sooner run away from us, then come up to us looking for a pet. And so a bond does not develop there. It all really comes down to the emotional connection I think and the dog is indeed as they say 'mans best friend'. So how in the hell can we hang our friends, let alone let someone else hang them.
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Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by playa2:

In the sports world it was not.

I watched shows "Sports Reporters" and other sports shows and they spent more time talking about vick and bonds and donaghy and the NBA was and after thought.
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when the news broke about Donaghy it was the backpage headline of every newspaper in the city & the lead story on every sports highlight show, are you kidding me? maybe the coverage has died down since because Vick is the new sexy story to cover, but when it first came out it didn't get any less sports news coverage.

But after the intial story no sportsshow was talking about NBA Scandal.

Vicks case could have no updated info to put on the news , but they re-cap run it every day cmon man.


when the next sexy story breaks, the whole Vick situation won't be covered as much... that's just how the media operates man... come on, you know this.
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8/22/2007  9:04 PM
4949 - did you know that dogfighting is legal in the state of Georgia?
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8/22/2007  9:16 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Vmart:

The Micheal Vick situation has nothing to do with Dogs if you guys think the FBI is after Vick because he killed dogs you guys are sadly mistaken. This has to do with Illegal gambling and exchange of monies and profits made without tax being paid. The Dog thing is just used to get all sentimental about a helpless animal and that helps the case against Mike Vick. Dogs come on people get smarter will you. They know its just another animal.

Why didn't anybody go after Roy Jones Jr?

Dude has a farm raising cok fighting roosters , HBO or some other sports show even had a feature on Roy Jones Jr about it.

Nobody said a peep about him and his fighting roosters that were raised to fight!



[Edited by - playa2 on 22-08-2007 18:31]

It's a good point. It shows just how blind sided we are when it comes to all' animals. We eat chickens and we never see the emotionaly side of them, so we don't really think to care about such things. As with dogs, they come up to us happy as a clam, ready for love. There's an emotional connection there. But coks, chickens, they'd sooner run away from us, then come up to us looking for a pet. And so a bond does not develop there. It all really comes down to the emotional connection I think and the dog is indeed as they say 'mans best friend'. So how in the hell can we hang our friends, let alone let someone else hang them.


Roy Jones Jr raised those coks just like he would children, , Roy Jones was very attached to each one of his roosters in a weird way.

I mean the guy said he faught just like a rooster.
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8/22/2007  9:33 PM
I would like Vick to go to Jail.
But American jail is too good for him.
I will send him to Russian jail. Then he will understand what the dogs he tortured fill.
People who can make it with dogs cam make it with man.
He is dangerous and mentally sick person.
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This thread is intellectually stimulating and hilarious at the same time.

Dog fighting is animal cruelty. I think most of us agree.
Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

There isn't logical consistency between the reaction to cruelty of dogs vs. other animals.
The rodeo? Hmmmm, a bronco has a rope tied tightly around his balls and bucks around a ring? Maybe, just maybe thats a little uncomfortable. I'm sure calves enjoy being tackled and roped too. Sounds like big fun. Again, not quite the violence of dog fighting but it certainly is cruelty to animals.

The media responds to black athletes less favorably than white atheletes in general. NO different than anything that deals with white peoplle vs. people of color in this country. When you are non-white you are easier to demonize, because you are 'other', white people dont identify with you, you dont look like their sons or brothers or fathers. When the columbine kids shot up their schools, the reaction wasnt to make tougher penalties ro lock kids up who do this, it was a question, why? How could this happen? What would make these kids do such a thing? When kids of color do some crazy ****, those questions are never asked, the response is about how many millions of years are we gonna lock them up for. O try them as adults and give them the death penalty. None of the kids who shot up their schools (who survived) got tried as adults, or got some crazy amount of time. I wont go on with this point, because either you get this or you dont.

Americans aren't so cool to animals in general so this is hipocritical. Dogs and cats yes, every other animal, no. Ever seen who chickens are treated before they became a chick fila meal?
http://mercyforanimals.org/hor/

Also its really humorous how many people turn into these strict law and order people when talking about others. Suggesting Vick and this one and that one should do eons in prison. I dont look at someone like Vick as if hes a deranged person. Nor do I think that about the people in the above video. Culture, environment, and circumstances make people do some things they probably wouldn't do otherwise. Think about Nazi Germany. THink about Slavery. THese are millions of people who in many ways were decent and respectable, who supported somethings that were so cruel and inhumane its hard to imagine. If you can get average people to cosign treating humans like cattle, or pushing people into a gas chamber, why is it so hard to believe someone could be into cruelty to animals? I just think this law and order mentality has gone too far in this society and it has only made problems much much worse.

Vick needs to pay some price for what he did, forget the cruelty of it all, it was just incredibly stupid. Your worth 130 million and your doing illegal gambling for $20,000? Thats just really stupid. Is zVIck a threat to society? Is he someone who is likely to get involved in something like this again? How you answer those questions is how you think about what his punishment ought to be. Prison should be reserved for violent people who, for whatever reason, cannot figure out that you cannot hurt people for no reason. Animals are not people, not even domesticated ones, and hurting an animal, while bad, shouldn't be treated the same as harming a human being.

Just my 2 cents.


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Posted by Killa4luv:

This thread is intellectually stimulating and hilarious at the same time.

Dog fighting is animal cruelty. I think most of us agree.
Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

te]There isn't logical consistency between the reaction to cruelty of dogs vs. other animals.
The rodeo? Hmmmm, a bronco has a rope tied tightly around his balls and bucks around a ring? Maybe, just maybe thats a little uncomfortable. I'm sure calves enjoy being tackled and roped too. Sounds like big fun. Again, not quite the violence of dog fighting but it certainly is cruelty to animals.

The media responds to black athletes less favorably than white atheletes in general. NO different than anything that deals with white peoplle vs. people of color in this country. When you are non-white you are easier to demonize, because you are 'other', white people dont identify with you, you dont look like their sons or brothers or fathers. When the columbine kids shot up their schools, the reaction wasnt to make tougher penalties ro lock kids up who do this, it was a question, why? How could this happen? What would make these kids do such a thing? When kids of color do some crazy ****, those questions are never asked, the response is about how many millions of years are we gonna lock them up for. O try them as adults and give them the death penalty. None of the kids who shot up their schools (who survived) got tried as adults, or got some crazy amount of time. I wont go on with this point, because either you get this or you dont.

Americans aren't so cool to animals in general so this is hipocritical. Dogs and cats yes, every other animal, no. Ever seen who chickens are treated before they became a chick fila meal?
http://mercyforanimals.org/hor/

Also its really humorous how many people turn into these strict law and order people when talking about others. Suggesting Vick and this one and that one should do eons in prison. I dont look at someone like Vick as if hes a deranged person. Nor do I think that about the people in the above video. Culture, environment, and circumstances make people do some things they probably wouldn't do otherwise. Think about Nazi Germany. THink about Slavery. THese are millions of people who in many ways were decent and respectable, who supported somethings that were so cruel and inhumane its hard to imagine. If you can get average people to cosign treating humans like cattle, or pushing people into a gas chamber, why is it so hard to believe someone could be into cruelty to animals? I just think this law and order mentality has gone too far in this society and it has only made problems much much worse.

Vick needs to pay some price for what he did, forget the cruelty of it all, it was just incredibly stupid. Your worth 130 million and your doing illegal gambling for $20,000? Thats just really stupid. Is zVIck a threat to society? Is he someone who is likely to get involved in something like this again? How you answer those questions is how you think about what his punishment ought to be. Prison should be reserved for violent people who, for whatever reason, cannot figure out that you cannot hurt people for no reason. Animals are not people, not even domesticated ones, and hurting an animal, while bad, shouldn't be treated the same as harming a human being.

Just my 2 cents.


this is an excellent post...
Dog fighting is animal cruelty. I think most of us agree.
Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

I have been trying to make this point on this and the other forums all day. the hypocricy is upsetting. Vick commited a crime and he will pay for it, but to justify deer hunting as a sport is a joke... those deer don't stand a chance!

[quote]Vick needs to pay some price for what he did, forget the cruelty of it all, it was just incredibly stupid. Your worth 130 million and your doing illegal gambling for $20,000? Thats just really stupid. Is zVIck a threat to society? Is he someone who is likely to get involved in something like this again? How you answer those questions is how you think about what his punishment ought to be. Prison should be reserved for violent people who, for whatever reason, cannot figure out that you cannot hurt people for no reason. Animals are not people, not even domesticated ones, and hurting an animal, while bad, shouldn't be treated the same as harming a human being.


very good points, I would love to read the responses to this..

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Posted by Killa4luv:

This thread is intellectually stimulating and hilarious at the same time.

Dog fighting is animal cruelty. I think most of us agree.
Hunting a 'free-roaming deer' with a high powered rifle, is not justified as a sport simply because 'the deeer has a chance to get away'. LOL! That sounds ridiculous.

There isn't logical consistency between the reaction to cruelty of dogs vs. other animals.
The rodeo? Hmmmm, a bronco has a rope tied tightly around his balls and bucks around a ring? Maybe, just maybe thats a little uncomfortable. I'm sure calves enjoy being tackled and roped too. Sounds like big fun. Again, not quite the violence of dog fighting but it certainly is cruelty to animals.

The media responds to black athletes less favorably than white atheletes in general. NO different than anything that deals with white peoplle vs. people of color in this country. When you are non-white you are easier to demonize, because you are 'other', white people dont identify with you, you dont look like their sons or brothers or fathers. When the columbine kids shot up their schools, the reaction wasnt to make tougher penalties ro lock kids up who do this, it was a question, why? How could this happen? What would make these kids do such a thing? When kids of color do some crazy ****, those questions are never asked, the response is about how many millions of years are we gonna lock them up for. O try them as adults and give them the death penalty. None of the kids who shot up their schools (who survived) got tried as adults, or got some crazy amount of time. I wont go on with this point, because either you get this or you dont.

Americans aren't so cool to animals in general so this is hipocritical. Dogs and cats yes, every other animal, no. Ever seen who chickens are treated before they became a chick fila meal?
http://mercyforanimals.org/hor/

Also its really humorous how many people turn into these strict law and order people when talking about others. Suggesting Vick and this one and that one should do eons in prison. I dont look at someone like Vick as if hes a deranged person. Nor do I think that about the people in the above video. Culture, environment, and circumstances make people do some things they probably wouldn't do otherwise. Think about Nazi Germany. THink about Slavery. THese are millions of people who in many ways were decent and respectable, who supported somethings that were so cruel and inhumane its hard to imagine. If you can get average people to cosign treating humans like cattle, or pushing people into a gas chamber, why is it so hard to believe someone could be into cruelty to animals? I just think this law and order mentality has gone too far in this society and it has only made problems much much worse.

Vick needs to pay some price for what he did, forget the cruelty of it all, it was just incredibly stupid. Your worth 130 million and your doing illegal gambling for $20,000? Thats just really stupid. Is zVIck a threat to society? Is he someone who is likely to get involved in something like this again? How you answer those questions is how you think about what his punishment ought to be. Prison should be reserved for violent people who, for whatever reason, cannot figure out that you cannot hurt people for no reason. Animals are not people, not even domesticated ones, and hurting an animal, while bad, shouldn't be treated the same as harming a human being.

Just my 2 cents.

dude should've hired jayson william's attorneys...
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8/22/2007  10:36 PM
dj: the fact that jayson williams is not in jail angers me way more than this vick situation. Jayson williams took a human life by being careless with a gun, he almost shot wayne chrebet of the jets fooling around and this time he took a life. what is also upsetting is how the limo driver didn't die right away, he was begging for help, while jason williams was figuring out how to cover up his mess... that to me is horrible. He has displayed a history of being careless with guns and IMO that shows little regard for human life.. He should have spent some time in jail....
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8/22/2007  10:38 PM
Just to update the actual marbury comments.

Marbs was on hot 97, a hip hop radio station in nyc, a few hours ago trying clarify his comments. He basically said is not gonna condemn vick. He was upset how the media is raping him so bad. He said that vicks situation doesn't look good and if he deserves a certain sentence he should hey what's coming to him. He made the comment that he went to jail also for dwi and he is ashamed that happened and he would never do that again cuz he understands what he did and doesn't want kids to think what he did was ok. He said vick has to face that but he wants people to show some restraint. He says vick is still a man and he needs support of his fellow man to help him understand what's wrong with it and help kids understand that they shouldn't do that. Also he stayed that kids need to know that if they mess up, they can turn their lives back around. He made lots of religious references. He just seems like a humble guy nowadays. Talking a lot about humanity, and brotherhood. I can dig that.

He did talk a little about the knicks but my ****in father would **** up long enough for me to hear.
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8/22/2007  10:44 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by playa2:

In the sports world it was not.

I watched shows "Sports Reporters" and other sports shows and they spent more time talking about vick and bonds and donaghy and the NBA was and after thought.
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when the news broke about Donaghy it was the backpage headline of every newspaper in the city & the lead story on every sports highlight show, are you kidding me? maybe the coverage has died down since because Vick is the new sexy story to cover, but when it first came out it didn't get any less sports news coverage.

But after the intial story no sportsshow was talking about NBA Scandal.

Vicks case could have no updated info to put on the news , but they re-cap run it every day cmon man.

I do love the fact how both Mike Francesa and Chris Ruso dismiss the NBA scandal and said the Vick thing was bigger. WTF? Guys have been thrown in jail and banned from the league numerous times. Guess what the league continues. Now you have a possible scandal where an official is threatening to name names of other officials who have gambling issues and that is not a big deal? Oh really. At least one sportscaster was honest about it and said why he doesn't want to talk about the NBA scandal. He said he doesn't even want to go there and basically would have to call out Stern's part in the mess. That's nice. Nevermind the fact that the NBA can be viewed as more hyped version of pro wrestling.
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Posted by tkf:

dj: the fact that jayson williams is not in jail angers me way more than this vick situation. Jayson williams took a human life by being careless with a gun, he almost shot wayne chrebet of the jets fooling around and this time he took a life. what is also upsetting is how the limo driver didn't die right away, he was begging for help, while jason williams was figuring out how to cover up his mess... that to me is horrible. He has displayed a history of being careless with guns and IMO that shows little regard for human life.. He should have spent some time in jail....

Well you see the driver was only a human being. So that not really inhumane according to some people.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by tkf:

dj: the fact that jayson williams is not in jail angers me way more than this vick situation. Jayson williams took a human life by being careless with a gun, he almost shot wayne chrebet of the jets fooling around and this time he took a life. what is also upsetting is how the limo driver didn't die right away, he was begging for help, while jason williams was figuring out how to cover up his mess... that to me is horrible. He has displayed a history of being careless with guns and IMO that shows little regard for human life.. He should have spent some time in jail....

Well you see the driver was only a human being. So that not really inhumane according to some people.

yea, plus shooting him with a shotgun is supposed to be quick and painless, so he didn't suffer too much....
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