Artest to Knicks according to ESPN1050 via RealGM
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COSSUCKS
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8/3/2007 6:36 PM
FIRST PLACE!
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TrueBlue
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8/3/2007 8:08 PM
Posted by nixluva: But wait we'd be giving up youth and possible near future youth when you said the plan appears that we're trying to inject youth into this franchise. Oh wait that's right no one does the FLIP-FLOP dance better than you. LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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EnySpree
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8/3/2007 8:24 PM
Ron artest is currently playing streetball in nyc. He was in the dyckman all-star game. I wasn't there but from what I heard he looked in good shape. He was kinda trying stuff out. He still was playing hard.
Anyway, knicks need a guy that still does **** like that. Mason used to play streetball every year. Its good to see. Little Nate showed up to west 4th to play pick up last year I believe. Nate and craw played for Seattle in the rucker nationwide tourney. Stuff like that is cool. Anyway, the knicks need artest. He should fit in smooth and make the knicks bloody ****in awesome. Boston? Ok artest is checking pierce. That's a battle that artest will win every time cuz pierce can't keep his head in the game if artest is bodying him up. Piece has a temper and he will lose it even if his team needs him. He has shown that many times in post season play. Artest is an extra scorer. He moves the ball and can score all over the court. If this deal goes down for real? The knicks will play "match maker" everynight cuz someone is gonna have a major miss match for real. This trade kinda is a must. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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PhilinLA
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8/3/2007 8:55 PM
I'm hearing Malik, Nate and Balk, and I don't like it.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/
We got a ringer.
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NYKBocker
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8/3/2007 9:10 PM
Posted by PhilinLA: If Balk is included, I will be extremely upset. An Artest and K. Thomas for Nate, JJ2, F. Jones, D. Dickau Sac gets Nate and (clears throat) JJ2 plus 2 expiring contracts for a lunatic they want to get rid off and a long bad contract. Why are we doing this again? |
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TrueBlue
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8/3/2007 9:12 PM
Posted by PhilinLA: Ditto plus pick(s) LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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bigbeast
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8/3/2007 9:13 PM
Posted by PhilinLA: We certainly aint getting Artest for JJ2, JJ1 and the rest of our redundant garbage that aint good enough for us but some people feel it should be good for Sac to accept for one of the best 2 way players (if not the craziest) in the game. I said it before, Id rather wiat until next summer to sign Artest. But to play devils advocate, Chandler's presence can make Balk expendable. Both seem to be good defenders, Chandler showed a knack to block shots from the wing similar to Balk, is perhaps more athletic and is certainly stronger than Balk. Of course he doesn't have Balks motor, however. Also, how many minutes is Balk going to get with Artest here? And lastly, if this move pushes us to the top 4 of the east, should we not pull the trigger because we everyone loves Balk? I'm torn aswell. I see the potential and balance that Artest can bring to this team, but Balk is a unique player. Personally, Id wait until next year and sign Artest. [Edited by - bigbeast on 03-08-2007 9:14 PM] "Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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PhilinLA
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8/3/2007 9:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by PhilinLA: you're hearing plus pick(s)? I wasn't. We're trading for damaged goods for pete's sake! http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/
We got a ringer.
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EwingsGlass
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8/3/2007 9:24 PM
Posted by Panos: Especially when they gave up Peja for him? You know I gonna spin wit it
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Bobby
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8/3/2007 9:26 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/08/artest_rumor_a_false_alarm.html
[Edited by - Bobby on 08-03-2007 9:33 PM] [Edited by - Bobby on 08-03-2007 9:40 PM] "Like they always say, New York is the Mecca of basketball,"I read that in Michael Jordan books my whole life and I played here in the Big East tournament, so it's always fun to play in the Mecca of basketball."---Rip Hamilton
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EwingsGlass
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8/3/2007 9:40 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:Posted by TrueBlue:WOW! I would be sad to lose Balkman, but I think that trade is good enough for me. I gotta say, I like Balk more than Lee... maybe I am the odd one out, but Lee has been injured every season, he rebounds at the top of the league and shows a lot of energy. Balk does all of the same, but has more energetic defense... and he has an extra year on his rookie contract. Trouble is that we have a glut of SFs if it were Artest, Qrich, Balkman, Chandler, Nichols and JJ2. As such, Lee is safe. I think that getting them to take Malik off our hands is worth something. I'd like the pick to be protected. Also, their is only so many minutes to be had. Marbury 35/Collins 13/Dickau Qrich 28/Craw 23 Artest 35/Chandler 8/Nichols 5 Randolph 32/Lee 16 Curry 30/ Morris 18/ IR James JJ2 Jones You know I gonna spin wit it
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djsunyc
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8/3/2007 9:42 PM
2 full days with the nephew and neice so i threw them in front of the tv with a lord of the rings dvd and i can finally sit down for a minute...
this deal makes 100% sense and i agree with it if it's made. i've advocated going all in for a while now. but i also want to clarify that i view this move the following way: desperate times...desperate gm...desperate move... if the deal ends up being nate + balkman + picks...well that falls in line with every other isiah trade. i'd love to see how it's spun...but more intrigued with how it will play out. it seems isiah felt getting zach made them a lock for the playoffs...but after the kg deal, he may have gotten a little worried. one thing that kind of seems to be going on is dolan may be requiring a playoff birth from isiah this season and isiah is making moves accordingly. martin - this IS a starphuck b/c artest can potentially destroy your team. |
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nixluva
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8/3/2007 9:45 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:Yo man get it right! How can I be flip flopping, when it's not my plan to begin with. It would be Isiah that you'd have to accuse of flip flopping, not me. You're acting like a child, with all these accusations and attempts to show me somehow being hypocritical. Grow up!Posted by nixluva: You obviously have never paid any attention to what i've written, since i've made it clear many times what my stance on youth is. The idea isn't to just get young, it's to WIN. If you can use some of your youth to get a player that will give you a chance to win, and he's not over the hill, then you do it. You really don't have a point here at all. You make it sound like we would somehow have given up all of our youth with any deal for Artest. Artest isn't old and we still would have plenty of youth. We'd have a nice balance of vets and young players, which is what you would want. You really need to stop trying to make me look bad, it's pathetic. |
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arkrud
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8/3/2007 10:47 PM
Posted by nixluva:Posted by TrueBlue:Yo man get it right! How can I be flip flopping, when it's not my plan to begin with. It would be Isiah that you'd have to accuse of flip flopping, not me. You're acting like a child, with all these accusations and attempts to show me somehow being hypocritical. Grow up!Posted by nixluva: Nix I am just wondering. If Isiah will go (suppouse) are you going to root for the next team he will GM/coach of you will stay with the Knicks? "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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BigSm00th
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8/3/2007 10:55 PM
its worthless to criticize the trade before we find out what is traded. until that happens, the trade simply can't be assessed.
if its balkman, robinson, rose, and picks, i think its a panic move. if its any combination of jeffries, dickau, fred jones, and nate, then i think its a great move. does anyone else think that isiah HASNT made a move yet b/c he's waiting for sept. 1 to come so he can include the expiring contracts of dickau or jones? also, if its a 2-for or 3-for-1 deal, it has to be looked at as ron artest + demetris nichols for ____________ (FILL IN THE BLANK) b/c nichols is taking the roster spot of he who gets dealt. if, in the end, its artest and nichols for the expiring contracts of jones and dickau, nate robinson, and a first rounder, its an awesome deal and i cant see how thats criticized. to get that much talent back and be able to play nichols for essentialy nate and a first rounder is too much to turn away. #Knickstaps
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nixluva
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8/3/2007 11:10 PM
Posted by arkrud:Posted by nixluva:Posted by TrueBlue:Yo man get it right! How can I be flip flopping, when it's not my plan to begin with. It would be Isiah that you'd have to accuse of flip flopping, not me. You're acting like a child, with all these accusations and attempts to show me somehow being hypocritical. Grow up!Posted by nixluva: Is this even a serious question? Why would you think after all these years that i'd suddenly have more allegiance to an individual over the team? What is it about me that has so many coming after me personally? Let's just stick to the subject of the thread please. If you think Artest would help this team to get closer to a title then it makes sense to give up a couple of young players for him. Some are trying to weigh the risk of Artest not working out and then losing him. Then we would've lost 2 young players for nothing. That's a valid concern. Perhaps Isiah feels it's a risk worth taking. Let's not kid ourselves. We have youth coming up behind the guys like Nate and Balkman. I love Balkman, but if Isiah is high on Chandler and Nichols, there's really no need to be so concerned about giving up Nate and Balkman. Balkman is one of my favorite players, but I realize that trades like this are part of the game. If we get to the ECF's I won't be crying over the loss of Balkman. We already have Playing time issues as it is. You know that we're gonna have to consolidate this roster at some point. I'm not asking for Nate and Balkman to leave, but if they are part of the deal, we aren't gonna be hurting for young talent. |
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arkrud
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8/3/2007 11:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:Posted by arkrud:Posted by nixluva:Posted by TrueBlue:Yo man get it right! How can I be flip flopping, when it's not my plan to begin with. It would be Isiah that you'd have to accuse of flip flopping, not me. You're acting like a child, with all these accusations and attempts to show me somehow being hypocritical. Grow up!Posted by nixluva: Sorry if I was offensive but you always have backing up IT no matter what he does. He brings some player - you like it, he trade him - you also like it. He goes for youth - you are saying its way to go, he trades youth for vets - it’s the way to go too. He hired coach you like it, he fires him - you think it's good. Let me rephrase my question: When Knicks will have new coach/GM (suppose) do you plan to support whatever he will do regardless? "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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arkrud
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8/3/2007 11:23 PM
And also do you mean "all this years" since 2004 when you joined the UK or before this?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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bigbeast
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8/3/2007 11:29 PM
Posted by arkrud: Here's a better question for you....If Isiah doens't go anytime soon, will you ever root for the Knicks? "Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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Artest to Knicks according to ESPN1050 via RealGM