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7/22/2007  9:55 AM
Man, I was going to stay out of this, but now people talking how they can take people on and whatnot. Even if you are a bigger guy how do you know you will not just get stabbed or shot. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Marbury is just a basketball player. People need to chill about him. He is not anything more than a ball player. Does not deserve half the love or hate he is getting. Dude is selling sneakers, doing a good thing by the way, just let it be.

I dislike him as a player, but I like the sneaker thing, he is making money by helping poor people, that is what this country is supposed to be about. Its a great thing. Doing something good is supposed to be profitable in a good free market system.
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7/22/2007  5:10 PM
How can Marbury, who has never done anything to Solace personally, generate so much mis-directed venom?

it's only basketball

or is it?



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7/22/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by misterearl:

How can Marbury, who has never done anything to Solace personally, generate so much mis-directed venom?

it's only basketball

or is it?

Solace is Solace. Isles is Isles. They are the exception not the rule in their animosity but many people are tired of seeing Marbury every week in the off season. I think he gets too much hate but he also brings a bunch of it on himself. I dont see any other Knicks players addicted to the media like Marbury. This is the first year. Marbury has been addicted to the media for years.
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7/22/2007  5:17 PM
Also Marbury better quit picking fights with his lame comments to Lebron.

Marbury already ran from Qrich and TT. He doesnt want Lebron knocking his punk act down a notch as well.
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7/22/2007  5:19 PM
cosucks - how can a person who contributes to teachers, firefighters and police officers bring hate upon himself?

I think there is a resentment at work that goes deeper than some misworded quotes. If people want to lay their own insecurities on the "world's greatest point guard" quote, which was totally bown out of proportion when you understand playgrounf bravado ... which is all it was... or the press reports that have him labelled as some type of coach-killer... c'mon...

what has Marbury done that is so patently evil?

not a damn thing
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7/22/2007  5:43 PM
I dont' see a problem with Steph challenging more players to be more responsible with the pricing of the sneakers that they endorse.

I also don't think it's fair to say that Steph ran from Q. I just don't see that happening. I never heard of any fight with TT, so i'd like to see some source of that rumor. KT perhaps is who you might be thinking of. Besides all this crap about Steph being a divisive force in the lockerroom is a bunch of BS. It's way overstated. He's also done a lot for his teammates too. But that just get's ignored since it's much more exciting to only bring up negative rumors.

Is Steph anymore "addicted" to the media than Lebron? There are PLENTY of athletes who enhance their public image with all sorts of interviews and appearances etc. Let's not try to hold Steph out as some media whore when that isn't something you hold against other star players.
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7/22/2007  5:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

cosucks - how can a person who contributes to teachers, firefighters and police officers bring hate upon himself?

I think there is a resentment at work that goes deeper than some misworded quotes. If people want to lay their own insecurities on the "world's greatest point guard" quote, which was totally bown out of proportion when you understand playgrounf bravado ... which is all it was... or the press reports that have him labelled as some type of coach-killer... c'mon...

what has Marbury done that is so patently evil?

not a damn thing

I never said Marbury was evil but he does things that make people dislike him. That doesnt mean he doesnt do some good as well. Many people hated George Steinbrenner and he gives a heck of a lot more money to charities than Marbury.

Now dont make a mistake here. I'm not defending Solace and Isles hatred. Thats all about them. They have hatred that goes above reason.

There is a difference between disliking somebody and hating them.

There was no love lost between Marbury and many ex teammates (Gugliota, Feick, Kmart, KT, TT, Qrich, Amare are among them) and some former coachs (Wilkens, Scott). Thats not me making things up. Thats just the facts.

Many people are flat out tired of hearing from Marbury every week even in the off season.

His need to take pot shots at other players without reason is also disturbing.
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7/22/2007  5:51 PM
cosucks - when Marbury dissed Chollie Ward and Chris Childs never leading the Knicks to championship it was tacky to be certain. What he meant to say was, "I really want to come home".

But I'm not making apologies for him, just reading the sub-titles on the bottom of the screen.

If you don't want to hear about Marbury, why not blame the press for reporting about him?

I could care less about what his ex-teammates have said or not said about him. All I care about is how he meshes with the other Knicks.

Judging by the influx of new talent, and Isiah's penchant for dealing and wheeling... if he doesn't mesh... he'll be gone faster than you can say Ticky Burden
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7/22/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I dont' see a problem with Steph challenging more players to be more responsible with the pricing of the sneakers that they endorse.

I also don't think it's fair to say that Steph ran from Q. I just don't see that happening. I never heard of any fight with TT, so i'd like to see some source of that rumor. KT perhaps is who you might be thinking of. Besides all this crap about Steph being a divisive force in the lockerroom is a bunch of BS. It's way overstated. He's also done a lot for his teammates too. But that just get's ignored since it's much more exciting to only bring up negative rumors.

Is Steph anymore "addicted" to the media than Lebron? There are PLENTY of athletes who enhance their public image with all sorts of interviews and appearances etc. Let's not try to hold Steph out as some media whore when that isn't something you hold against other star players.

The newspapers reported that Qrich went after Marbury not once but twice in 2005-2006. They said Marbury stayed in the trainers room until Qrich was escorted from the facility. If you want to say I made that up so be it.

TT has made multiple references in the last 1-2 years of what he thought of Marbury. If you want to say I made that up so be it.

KT also went after Marbury at practice. Thats why nobody was surprised he was traded. KT himself called the trade before it happened.

Marbury has had problems with at least a dozen teammates in 4 different cities. If you want to say I'm making that up thats fine. It doesnt change the facts.

Marbury made some snide comment about Lebron being carried on a throne at the ESPY awards. Lebron has never done anything that I knowof to Marbury so why take the cheap shots. He took a cheap shot at KG (Comparing KG toAmare is like Mario Ellie to Jordan) years ago for no reason as well. If you want to say I'm making those up also thats fine.
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7/22/2007  5:55 PM
Posted by misterearl:

cosucks - when Marbury dissed Chollie Ward and Chris Childs never leading the Knicks to championship it was tacky to be certain. What he meant to say was, "I really want to come home".

But I'm not making apologies for him, just reading the sub-titles on the bottom of the screen.

If you don't want to hear about Marbury, why not blame the press for reporting about him?

Mr Earl you are seeing what you hope he meant. I just listen to his actual words. I cant see in his head. There is nothing wrong with you hoping thats what he meant but is there anything wrong with me going by his actual words?

As far as the press reporting on him most of it is Marc Berman. In my opinion Marbury and Berman have a very sleazy relationship in my eyes where Berman does very low things to help Marbury or hurt others in exchange for access to Marbury. Another NY reporter recently characterized it as trading objectivity for access.

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7/22/2007  6:05 PM
howard cossell and muhammad ali made it work quite nicely

i only care about how marbury plays with the other four guys on the floor

i had an opportunity to interview marbury and he reminded me of a bunch of guys who had to scrap to get where they were by any means available. if it included talking ish, well, they talked ish.

pro athletes have personalities as diverse as their talents. more are jerks than you may want to believe but the press has a way of annointing their favorites.

does it excuse marbury? of course not. fans have a right to want their heroes to be pefect role models.

new yorkers want their knicks to be cool guys and i don't have problem with that.

what i have a problem with are the people who hate the knicks and only look for as much negative to emphasize at every turn.

i could care less about players personal behavior so long as it doesn't break and laws or affect tyhe team negatively. i could care less about their paychecks. someone must feel they are worth it or they wouldn't receive the chedda.

I don't resent marbury for getting his.



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7/22/2007  6:14 PM
Cossuck I know exactly what you're talking about when it came to the instance with Q. There's no reason to extrapolate more from the story than what happened. You're making it sound like he RAN, which is far different than guys being kept apart. You do realize that the team isn't about the just let them go after each other and fight? Don't be silly.

TT may have had his issues with steph, but I never read a report of them actually coming close to blows. If I missed that one i'd like to see it.

We all know about the KT issues. That still doesn't mean that he had problems with ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES. Have you gotten along with EVERYONE you've ever met? At somepoint in a persons life they work with guys they may not like very much. There's no difference here.

By the way I saw the complete interview on Mike'd up and people are exaggerating the incident greatly. I know guys like him. Guys that can't accurately express their thoughts verbally. They think they're making sense but don't realize that they aren't coming across clearly. Some fans are so eager to make things sound even worse when it comes to Steph. The guy is a street dude and he thinks and talks like that. His slip of saying his better half, then jokingly saying his better ho, then catching himself and saying better half again is evidence of his not quite grasping what is appropriate to say in a certain setting. If you don't know any guys like that then you must not have spent any time in the hood, cuz if you're in touch with the streets at all then you must know someone like him that isn't very sophisticated in proper etiquette.
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7/22/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by misterearl:

howard cossell and muhammad ali made it work quite nicely

i only care about how marbury plays with the other four guys on the floor

i had an opportunity to interview marbury and he reminded me of a bunch of guys who had to scrap to get where they were by any means available. if it included talking ish, well, they talked ish.

pro athletes have personalities as diverse as their talents. more are jerks than you may want to believe but the press has a way of annointing their favorites.

does it excuse marbury? of course not. fans have a right to want their heroes to be pefect role models.

new yorkers want their knicks to be cool guys and i don't have problem with that.

what i have a problem with are the people who hate the knicks and only look for as much negative to emphasize at every turn.

i could care less about players personal behavior so long as it doesn't break and laws or affect tyhe team negatively. i could care less about their paychecks. someone must feel they are worth it or they wouldn't receive the chedda.

I don't resent marbury for getting his.

Earl I like your posts and I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

The only place I think you go off base here is lumping somebody like myself who loves the Knicks and almost all their players but has grown tired of Marburys stuff with people like Solece and Isles who show extreme hatred for almost everything and everyone Knick related.

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7/22/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Cossuck I know exactly what you're talking about when it came to the instance with Q. There's no reason to extrapolate more from the story than what happened. You're making it sound like he RAN, which is far different than guys being kept apart. You do realize that the team isn't about the just let them go after each other and fight? Don't be silly.

TT may have had his issues with steph, but I never read a report of them actually coming close to blows. If I missed that one i'd like to see it.

We all know about the KT issues. That still doesn't mean that he had problems with ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES. Have you gotten along with EVERYONE you've ever met? At somepoint in a persons life they work with guys they may not like very much. There's no difference here.

By the way I saw the complete interview on Mike'd up and people are exaggerating the incident greatly. I know guys like him. Guys that can't accurately express their thoughts verbally. They think they're making sense but don't realize that they aren't coming across clearly. Some fans are so eager to make things sound even worse when it comes to Steph. The guy is a street dude and he thinks and talks like that. His slip of saying his better half, then jokingly saying his better ho, then catching himself and saying better half again is evidence of his not quite grasping what is appropriate to say in a certain setting. If you don't know any guys like that then you must not have spent any time in the hood, cuz if you're in touch with the streets at all then you must know someone like him that isn't very sophisticated in proper etiquette.

Nix I do not want to go search for old articles about TT nor Qrich. It just isnt that important to me. You can choose to not believe me. I will not take offense. :)

As far as the Mikedup interview goes I actually found it funny and more entertaining than his usual stuff interviews. The only thing is Marbs freaked out about people saying he wasnt acting sober. Many people thought he wasnt sober last summer when interviewing with Clyde as well. Now saying my better half or better ho means nothing to me but please be honest for a about another part of the interview. Does Marbury get out of his chair in most interviews and start saying he wants to see the spit in the mouth of his interviewer? Is that normal behavior for Marbury never mind anyone else? Thats why people thought he wasnt sober. Are they out of line to think that behavior was weird?
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7/22/2007  6:24 PM
cosucks - i never intended to lump you in with anyone. If it was taken that way, please allow me to separate you from that bunch.

if you really wanna know a secret, i look forward to mardy collins getting an opportunity to run the show. the fact he borderlined triple-doubled at the end of last season in a few games whet my appetite for more of the same unselfish play.

a 6'6 point guard, with a poker face, who plays steady team basketball?

be still my heart


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7/22/2007  6:27 PM
Posted by misterearl:

cosucks - i never intended to lump you in with anyone. If it was taken that way, please allow me to separate you from that bunch.

if you really wanna know a secret, i look forward to mardy collins getting an opportunity to run the show. the fact he borderlined triple-doubled at the end of last season in a few games whet my appetite for more of the same unselfish play.

a 6'6 point guard, with a poker face, who plays steady team basketball?

be still my heart

Earl its no problem. I usually try not to comment at all about Marbury because I'd rather concentrate on the 12-15 Knicks player I really like on the court and off than get dragged down talking about Marbury and his stuff.

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7/22/2007  7:42 PM
I don't hate Marbury on a personal level. I don't know him on a personal level.

10 Things I Hate About Steph
I hate his selfish attitude on the court.
I hate his selfish attitude off the court.
I hate how he begs people to give him credit.
I hate how he lollygags it on the court -- it's a disgrace to the sport.
I hate how he can't cooperate with a vast number of players.
I hate how he's always getting media attention and says the wrong thing.
I hate how Isiah has built his Knicks legacy around a dim-wit.
I hate how we lost good players, coaches and management because this player couldn't be bothered to try.
I hate how his negative influences will affect the careers of players like Eddy Curry.
I hate that this lame-ass is a Knick.

Does that help?
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7/22/2007  7:57 PM
Posted by Solace:

I don't hate Marbury on a personal level. I don't know him on a personal level.

10 Things I Hate About Steph
I hate his selfish attitude on the court.
I hate his selfish attitude off the court.
I hate how he begs people to give him credit.
I hate how he lollygags it on the court -- it's a disgrace to the sport.
I hate how he can't cooperate with a vast number of players.
I hate how he's always getting media attention and says the wrong thing.
I hate how Isiah has built his Knicks legacy around a dim-wit.
I hate how we lost good players, coaches and management because this player couldn't be bothered to try.
I hate how his negative influences will affect the careers of players like Eddy Curry.
I hate that this lame-ass is a Knick.

Does that help?

What about the fact he loses more than he wins?

He gives himself far more credit than those who don't give him any.

He's gone at players on the court and in the media who are BY FAR AND BY A WIDE MARGIN better than him.
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7/22/2007  8:28 PM
After his last blog, I hate Marbury on a personal level.

Before that I had every reason to seriously dislike Marbury for being the type of selfish, underachieving and cancerous player he's been his entire career and for the egomaniacal (Starbury?) and self aggrandizing person that he appears to be.

I don't get this "hate" stuff either. Am I mocking him? Definitely. Am I ridiculing him? Absolutely. But do I hate him? No, but I guess it makes for a good sound bite and allows others to play the victim roles that they're so fond of.
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7/22/2007  8:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:

After his last blog, I hate Marbury on a personal level.

Before that I had every reason to seriously dislike Marbury for being the type of selfish, underachieving and cancerous player he's been his entire career and for the egomaniacal (Starbury?) and self aggrandizing person that he appears to be.

I don't get this "hate" stuff either. Am I mocking him? Definitely. Am I ridiculing him? Absolutely. But do I hate him? No, but I guess it makes for a good sound bite and allows others to play the victim roles that they're so fond of.


Are you 100% sure you were dealing with Marbury in his blog?

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