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BlueSeats
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7/18/2007  7:39 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
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To me his two day "I'm the best" tirade, that turned a +.500 record and a three game win-streak into the worst January in team history, calling basketball "just a hobby" while being paid $20M/yr and coming into camp out of shape and resistant to role, and declaring that a boy staying up until 2am to watch him is what "changing the world is all about" are all of the same self-aggrandizing chatter and entitlement mentality that I suspect has been at cause in alienating so many of his teammates and coaches over the years. Garnett, Aron Williams, K-Mart, Byron Scott, Lenny Wilkens, D'Antoni, Larry Brown, Amare, Kurt Thomas, Q-Rich, etc, to name a few. You may feel otherwise, in which case the onus would be on you to present your theory as to how he did it, because it was done.

No Blue, given that the discussion was about Marbury's Starburys, the onus was in you to present how anything he has said and done as part of that marketing campaign "reveals character flaws that have impinged upon the Knicks".

I though the discussion was that he was being unfairly bashed, which you've yet to evidence. Or was it that bashing him inside a shoe thread was taboo because of the "goodness" of the endeavor?

I forget, what was your gripe again?
Judging from the above you could not, or at least you couldn't without looking foolish as anyone who takes marketing slogans seriously, as you know as you are a smart guy, are idiots.

I'm not holding him accountable for the slogan, just as I don't give him full credit for it. It's his interpretation of it I find humorous because he found a way to make "changing the world" be all about him and the fans who revel in him. Yeah, I find that self-aggrandizing. Deal with it.
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7/19/2007  9:30 AM
food for thought here... from an ESPN article on michael vick and how he's sabotaged his marketability

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2941489
"It means a lot," Michael Vick says in the video. "It means a lot that people accept my shoe and want to be part of the Mike Vick movement."

while i highly doubt his sneaker deal works at all like the Starbury's (i think the article mentions they're going for $100), i did a double take when i read that quote. steph's not by any means the only athlete with issues realizing what constitutes a "movement," charity, etc. he's way closer to the mark than a lot of guys. that said, he's got to realize he's still an athlete. i mean, he (most recently) aspires to be david beckham. fine by me. just keep it in perspective. it puts him in the company of guys from lowlifes to nice guys, plenty of examples either way. his game as a humanitarian right now is maybe a step above adonal foyle level.

sorry if this was a bit of an aside. not trying to bash steph or any poter in this thread. just caught that vick quote and had some thoughts.
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7/19/2007  10:05 AM

Marbury saying he approached them for this idea seems unlikely.

One reason is Marbury endorsed and helped design an crazy SUV custom job and had some money invested in a custom shop. Very very high end.

Up until this steve and barry thing he was all about trying to be top draw in his endevors.

Perhaps it adds a flava of legitimacy if he says he did it, but it would be a curious marriage of Starbury with Steve and Barry's.

I think I got this bashing thing down and the bottom line is some folk really like the dude and some don't. Those that don't are not buying his act. Those that do seem gulible to those that don't.
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7/19/2007  2:11 PM
I think I got this bashing thing down and the bottom line is some folk really like the dude and some don't. Those that don't are not buying his act. Those that do seem gulible to those that don't.

What about those that don't like Marbury (Bippity), but like what he's doing with his Shoes?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/19/2007  2:13 PM
Posted by kam77:
I think I got this bashing thing down and the bottom line is some folk really like the dude and some don't. Those that don't are not buying his act. Those that do seem gulible to those that don't.

What about those that don't like Marbury (Bippity), but like what he's doing with his Shoes?

i guess that would make bip this guy:
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7/19/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by kam77:
I think I got this bashing thing down and the bottom line is some folk really like the dude and some don't. Those that don't are not buying his act. Those that do seem gulible to those that don't.

What about those that don't like Marbury (Bippity), but like what he's doing with his Shoes?

i guess that would make bip this guy:


All you guys are doing is making it easy for me to embarrass you at the next Bippity get together. I have a lot of stuffed animals to buy.
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7/19/2007  7:43 PM
I have said these things before, but they are worth repeating.

Its funny how people are so upset that Starbury's sneakers are getting Steph positive praise, and more riches. They are mad there is a philanthropic angle being played with the marketing. Its funny we live in a capitalist society, but when someone they dont like does something clever within it, now everyone turns into a communist and starts deconstructing the marketing and wants to look at the profit motive and the means of production, etc. It is completely comical, how your hate for everything Starbury has made you guys into baby Marx's, but only as it pertains to him and his business dealings. I am critical of society in the way that you guys are being critical of Starbury shoes, so I think that yes it is hypocritical, and full of **** to apply this level of scrutiny to one player and one shoe line, this is America, EVERYTHING is full of ****, and in much bigger and much more important ways!! Get critical about some of those things.

And for the record, I am very clear that the shoe line isn't charity (millions are being made), but its good for poor kids to have some shoes that their mother's can afford, and still look cool, feel good about themselves, and not be teased. This shoe/fashion thing is a very big thing among kids in the black community, maybe you all simply cannot relate or do not understand the impact of what is being done here. Michael Jordan should have done this decades ago especially as poor kids were killing each other over his shoes. That is something to be up in arms about.

In addition, most here, who criticize Marb's inteligence, do so on the basis of one thing, the way he speaks. He is not articulate, he does not express himself well. That says little or nothing about his ability to think or his level of inteligence. In this country you are judged by appearance and surface things like how you dress, how you wear your hair and how you speak. You have really only heard him talk about basketball and shoes, thats hardly something to base an assessment of someones inteligence on. Most of you have little real world exprerience with the type of inteligence that a person could have who doesn't know how to read. Your understanding of inteligence is limited. The remarks about Marbury's inteligence, are really a reflection of your ignorance about what inteligence is and how it is gauged.

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7/19/2007  10:53 PM
I think it’s sad that Marbury graduated from High School, and even has some college, yet still cannot express himself clearly.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-19-2007 22:55]
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7/19/2007  11:02 PM
I don't think Stephon can compose himself any better, or scale back his demeanor to seem more 'professional'. That would go against his authenticity as a NY bred playground point guard. He speaks with an attitude. You can't remove that from him at his age. He is who he is. The 'light' isn't going to suddenly switch ON or get any brighter. So thats why he's got to do this like that to keep him closer to the light.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/20/2007  7:11 AM
And for the record, I am very clear that the shoe line isn't charity (millions are being made), but its good for poor kids to have some shoes that their mother's can afford, and still look cool, feel good about themselves, and not be teased. This shoe/fashion thing is a very big thing among kids in the black community, maybe you all simply cannot relate or do not understand the impact of what is being done here. Michael Jordan should have done this decades ago especially as poor kids were killing each other over his shoes. That is something to be up in arms about.

I think that's where some of the disconnect comes in. Having grown up poor I understand how great this would have been to have an athlete do this when I was growing up. I could careless what the person's motives are(as long as they aren't illegal) I'm just happy that I can afford to buy a cool sneaker. The hundreds of poor people that flock to Marbury when he comes to there town, aren't flocking to him because they are idiots and think he is providing charity. They flock to him because regardless of the marketing campaign, finally someone is doing something for them. It's just a different perspective.
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7/20/2007  9:35 AM
We laugh at Starbury becasue of his self bravado and ramblings similar to when someone goes into rehab and starts preaching being born again.

Marbury is wide open and desires to be taken serious yet it saying some not so serious things.

Nobody is saying he should stop helping people, but we just question his bravado and self examination before the public eye.

This guy has turned the corner and is really trying hard to change his image. He has a lot of catching up to do and has to undo many years he was very much into an image not very community minded.

We have evaluated (as a group) Marbury a little more than the causual fan. There is nothing wrong at all with what he does. But when your "miked up" and playing the fool then its open season to poke fun of it.

I never thought Ewing was a great communicator either, but he kept within his ability and let his game do much of the talking. When he stepped out too much he got killed. Yeah, the media is a pool of sharks but athletes are told all the time be wary of what you say and how you say it because your a public figure and its gonna get written up!

He is trying, thats why when his wife called and he started saying it was his "better ho" he knew he was going off.

Now one could put a whole slant that here is Starbury trying to help struggling famiilies, many who the mother is the sole provider and you disrespect this gender, and your wife, who is your love and mother of your children and you call her your "ho" on TV? Maybe when he starts acting serious we can take him a bit more serious.
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7/20/2007  10:32 AM
Starbury made another post to the blog:

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2007/07/the_starbury_bl_3.html#more

Not as much grist for the mill this time.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-20-2007 10:32]
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