Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bonn1997:

So it's taken Eddy six not seven years to become the rebounder, passer, defender, and shot blocker that he is. There's a distinction without a difference.

There are other Centers his age that WISH they could avg 20 a game, while being the focal point of every teams defense. When we finally get the proper outside shooting you'll all see just how good he really is. For much of the year we had nothing outside and even when we had some shooting, the offense was in it's infancy. Curry is just now starting to learn the nuances of the passing game as were the rest of the team. Frye, Jared, Lee and many others weren't able to knock down the many open looks they had. it was Curry that made those open looks possible. When we get it right this guy is gonna be an All Star.

Get it straight, Curry was the focal point of the opposing teams' defense because the Knicks showed themselves to be completely inept when teams tried to take them out of their offense. Not because Curry was the next Shaq, like some of you are trying so desperately to make him out to be.

And Curry hasn't in any way, shape or form, started to learn the nuances of the passing game.

Does it really matter what the impetus was for Isiah looking to Curry more? All that matter is that he started to produce results when he was given the opportunity. You really are too much. I think you're really a Celtics fan cuz i've never seen someone look for more ways to bash his own team. It's bordering on the absurd. The guy scores basically 20ppg on only 12 FGA's and close to 58% shooting, with entire teams hanging off of him and you want to try and make that seem like it was nothing. GET REAL!!!

It's easy for you to say that when we didn't have guys who could knock down the shots when he did make the pass. I think that we tend to be a bit too harsh on him. For one thing even the better passers in the post are only gonna avg about 2 asts. He's capable of doing that and when we improve our perimeter that will start to happen for him. I personally did see growth from him in reading the defense later in the year. For it to fully maifest itself it's gonna take more than just him making good passes. Guys have to be capable of catching and shooting as well as making cuts and finishing. But that's OK, you keep on doubting him I can't wait to see him prove you guys wrong, AGAIN.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bonn1997:

So it's taken Eddy six not seven years to become the rebounder, passer, defender, and shot blocker that he is. There's a distinction without a difference.

There are other Centers his age that WISH they could avg 20 a game, while being the focal point of every teams defense. When we finally get the proper outside shooting you'll all see just how good he really is. For much of the year we had nothing outside and even when we had some shooting, the offense was in it's infancy. Curry is just now starting to learn the nuances of the passing game as were the rest of the team. Frye, Jared, Lee and many others weren't able to knock down the many open looks they had. it was Curry that made those open looks possible. When we get it right this guy is gonna be an All Star.

Get it straight, Curry was the focal point of the opposing teams' defense because the Knicks showed themselves to be completely inept when teams tried to take them out of their offense. Not because Curry was the next Shaq, like some of you are trying so desperately to make him out to be.

And Curry hasn't in any way, shape or form, started to learn the nuances of the passing game.

isles, it's not that we're trying to make him out to be the next shaq, it's more like we are looking at what he brings to the table. You guys discredit everything he does and devalue him to the point where you make him sound like chris dudley. The guy is good at what he does, he's young and he is improving. People want to trade him to get a good "young prospect" that will be a jack of all trades, but a master of none. My whole gripe is that he is not getting any support from the fans here on this board.
People don't want to accept that he made great improvement last year.

ppg : 06-07: 19.5 career: 13.5ppg with one good season in Chi avg 16.1 and with that 16.1 he wasn't seeing doubles and triples.

MPG: 06-07: 35.2 Career: 25.8: For the first time in his career,he played a good deal of minutes. They were some games where he played over 40. A sign he is improving on his conditioning.

He played 81 games last season.

Free throws made/attempted. : 06-07 : 5/8 career: 3/5 He is getting to line more, which means he is seeing more double teams, being more agrressive and putting the other team in foul trouble.

Blocks: 06/07: .5 Career: .8 Needs improvement, but in the end, he is just not a shot blocker.

Rebounds: 06/07: 7 career: 5 Needs improvement,7 rebounds on a team that includes Lee is pretty decent.

ast : 06/07 : .8 career : .6 , Needs improvement. Once his passing improves and he gets people who can hit an outside jumper consistently his assist should rise.

Now I don't normally post stats but I felt compelled in order to make my point. Curry is not the lethargic ox many of you make him out to be. He has alot to bring to this team. I understand many of you don't like what we gave up for the deal, but there is no guarantee that we would have been in a different situation had we not made the deal.

He def did well in the post, but i think his inability to do anything other than take up space when he didn't get it on offense is a big concern. If Eddy is not the focal point, Eddy don't want to play. Throw in he is the second worst big man in the league when it comes to turning the ball over and it takes away from his efficient attack. D. Howard was the worst

No way I would do that trade. I dont mind giving them a good package but I can strangle myself. I dont think any team can strangle themselves for just one player unless the name was duncan shaq hakeem age 24-25.

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by islesfan:
Get it straight, Curry was the focal point of the opposing teams' defense because the Knicks showed themselves to be completely inept when teams tried to take them out of their offense.

Sorry, but is this an argument? "Teams only made Curry the focus of their defense because he carried the offense."

Well, no ****. So how does the fact that the Knicks couldn't surround Curry with consistent offensive players reflect on Curry's game? And what, pray tell, do you think might happen if they do, and Curry sees fewer double and triple teams?

And you concede that teams tried to take Curry out of his game while he was putting up 19.5ppg on 58% shooting. Soooo...how'd that work out for them?

Teams doubled Curry because if they didn't, he'd put up 30 points on them. He showed that time and again last season, including during his over 20 point game streak when teams weren't keying in on him as much. Toward the end of the season he put up over 40 points on 17-20 shooting against Millwaukee on largely single coverage.

And by the way, that "inept" offense was right in the middle of the league in ppg and fg%.

So where is your argument? The lengths people will go to criticize a player that still performs while being ganged up on defense. “They only gang up on him because they have to.” It’s pathetic.




[Edited by - rembee76 on 06-21-2007 09:35 AM]

Good post....

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

No way I would do that trade. I dont mind giving them a good package but I can strangle myself. I dont think any team can strangle themselves for just one player unless the name was duncan shaq hakeem age 24-25.

So you think Curry will bring more to this team over the next 5 or so years than Kobe would? All I can say is, "wow!!"

There is a possibility that Eddy will bring it - about 1%
And there is a possibility that Kobe will - 99%
The possibility is always there...
The difference is - in first case you are gambling and in second you are working.
Obviously the first is cool and the second is boring
IT has enough stuff to gamble with an be Cool. But at the end any gambler finished on the street.

Posted by Michael6835:

No one is saying Curry is better than Kobe, so stop spinning it that way.
What we're saying is we're not willing to include Curry in a deal that will include some of our other good players in order to get Kobe. What does that accomplish ?

Kobe comes over here and we are still strapped for cash and we can't add anyone els because of the contracts. So what is the point in giving them EC plus lee or frye and JC plus a pick like many of you suggest.
Obviously Kobe is not happy in the situation he is in with LA. I guarantee you if Bynum could do what Curry could do, Kobe would have no problems at all. He is mad because he does not want to rebuild from the ground up.

It's essentially the same argument everyone keeps making for Chicago, Why gut your team for a superstar and then leave yourself without anything to build or add on too.

The only difference is that people here seem to devalue our roster of guys as if they are not good. I understand the Bulls team is better than our team, thats because they are further along than we are.

Kobe is there just for the argument. He is not going anywhere. I believe Binum will go in some kind of trade LA miss with Kidd. No Kobe anyway.
And it is no doubt that giving up Eddy in package with Lee, mardy, or Balkman is stuppid because this 3 are only promising players we have and want to see improving.
Hovewer to sheap Eddy in a package with Steve, craf, or even Stephan for a superstar or even solid player and pick will be nice.
We need proven winners, leaders, and performers. Which non of this 3 are.










[Edited by - arkrud on 06-21-2007 1:02 PM]

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by Michael6835:
The only difference is that people here seem to devalue our roster of guys as if they are not good. I understand the Bulls team is better than our team, thats because they are further along than we are.

Well said, and a good post.

Channing Frye in particular is devalued here. Only two years in the league he's a 6-11 guy who gets you 10-12 ppg and 6 rebs in 25 minutes and there are mental midgets here who will say Frye has "no trade value."

Not to mention the fact that LA was reportedly hot enough for Frye last year that they were offering Odom for him. He took a step back last year, true, but instead of looking only at the lack of improvement, look at what he is.

His skills don't come in a package like that often. Is his value really so much lower than a Drew Gooden, for example? I don't see how. But they way people talk about him here its like he is the Detroit Darko Milicic (who, btw, had a "breakout" season after four years with less impressive stats than Channing gave us his first).

Rembee, you make some good points and the thread got off the original intent. Eddy is probably better offensively the I give him credit for. Overall I still don't think he's much of a player.

Kobe, is a complete player, arrogant and hard to coach but can play defense and offense a top 10 player easily. The original question was would you include Curry in a trade. I still maintain in a heart beat. To be Curry at this point is not part of the solution unless he improves in a number of areas - and I don't see it happening.

(As far as our Roster it isn't good. Good teams win games.)

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

No way I would do that trade. I dont mind giving them a good package but I can strangle myself. I dont think any team can strangle themselves for just one player unless the name was duncan shaq hakeem age 24-25.

So you think Curry will bring more to this team over the next 5 or so years than Kobe would? All I can say is, "wow!!"

I dont think he is saying that. In essence, including Curry would gut the team and would put Kobe back at square one. This is similar to what Chicago is wrestling with. Given Kobe's temperament and age, we would be "on the clock" so to speak. It would make sense if we were dealing for a top shelf center that was still growing, as cited by briggs, but not Kobe.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

No way I would do that trade. I dont mind giving them a good package but I can strangle myself. I dont think any team can strangle themselves for just one player unless the name was duncan shaq hakeem age 24-25.

So you think Curry will bring more to this team over the next 5 or so years than Kobe would? All I can say is, "wow!!"

I dont think he is saying that. In essence, including Curry would gut the team and would put Kobe back at square one. This is similar to what Chicago is wrestling with. Given Kobe's temperament and age, we would be "on the clock" so to speak. It would make sense if we were dealing for a top shelf center that was still growing, as cited by briggs, but not Kobe.

Kobe's age? I bet Kobe has more seasons left in him than fat Eddy. Who knows how Eddy's knees will hold up by age 29?!

When has Curry ever had a major knee injury?

You seem to really obsess on Currys weight a lot.
Let me guess you are some 5foot nothing 140 pound white guy.